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Old Jul 27th, 2017, 18:09 PM   1
Unlucky41
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4 months baby clenched fist


Hi ladies definitely need some support here. Baby is 4 months and still Clenches his fists. Not swiping at toys. Yesterday had a follow up with paediatrician and today we going for ct scan to see if he has any brain damage. I am scared out of my wits. I can't imagine what life it will be with a brain damaged child.

Are there other reasons for why a baby won't unclench his fists? Looking at my daughters photos she had he hands oopen early. Getting really worried. Does anyone experience this and what was the outcome?

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Old Jul 28th, 2017, 03:07 AM   2
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Goodness ... are there any other concerns about tone or is it just the fists? Does he open them ever? Are his thumbs tucked in or on the outside? Seems quite a scary response from the paed if there isn't really anything else. Saying that, it's best to be sure. I do hope he is fine.

For what it's worth, though she did bat at toys on time, reach for them, hold them etc., my first daughter had her fists mostly clenched at rest (not horrifically tight and with the thumbs on the outside) until she was about 5-6 months old, and after that, she still often fisted just the right hand (which was noticeably weaker) - she clenched it, tightly, with the thumb tucked in especially when she was doing something with the other hand (shape sorter etc.) - and when she started walking, for several months she would hold it like that while walking around. I was terrified and thought she had mild CP but she grew out of it and is totally right-handed at 3, and perfectly healthy.



 
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Old Jul 28th, 2017, 13:00 PM   3
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I second Meep's questions. That really does affect how I would interpret what might be happening.

I don't have much advice I'm afraid. Permanently clenched fists at 4 months and not batting at toys doesn't sound typical but I don't know of what other scenarios might cause it, other than brain injury (I'm not saying there aren't other things that would cause it, just that I'm not sure what they would be).

What I will say is that my son had a stroke at 7 weeks old and has a brain injury resulting in left hemiplegia (cp). He is 2.5 now and a cheeky, charming little boy who has spent the best part of the last week tearing with glee around the new forest on holiday. If they should give you bad news at the ct scan I'm here to talk if you need to. We've been down the ct/mri route and been down to the depths of despair and back up the other side.



 
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Old Jul 28th, 2017, 14:49 PM   4
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Ah frizbee, I remember desperately messaging you in a panic. I'm so glad things seem to be going well for Alistair, what an amazing little boy. And congratulations on your new soon-to-be-baby! How exciting. I've got a newbie too.

I hope the OP will update. I don't think it ALWAYS has to be a brain injury but am no expert. Hopefully it will be something a physio or OT can help with.



 
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Old Jul 28th, 2017, 16:01 PM   5
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Ah frizbee, I remember desperately messaging you in a panic. I'm so glad things seem to be going well for Alistair, what an amazing little boy. And congratulations on your new soon-to-be-baby! How exciting. I've got a newbie too.

I hope the OP will update. I don't think it ALWAYS has to be a brain injury but am no expert. Hopefully it will be something a physio or OT can help with.
I remember, and I'm so happy I could help you at the time and everything worked out wonderfully for your little girl. Congratulations on lovely bundle number 2, and yes! We're in proper countdown mode for number 3. Alistair is fabulous. Speech is his main issue but he's making great progress like he does in everything, bless him. You wouldn't believe the stuff he gets up to. Just a typical little 2.5 year old boy.

OP, Meep is right. I'm sure it's not brain injury all of time that causes these things, and I very much hope it works out like that for you!



 
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Old Jul 28th, 2017, 20:47 PM   6
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He does open them very briefly every now and then but when he is upset or stressed that is his default position. Not batting his toys is another issue.

We did have an ultrasound of his brain and everything looks normal hence for now ruling out cp.

Getting a physio to help and follow up appointment at 6 months. Hopefully he is doing it later eh.

Thanks ladies for the support. Superbriz can't imagine what you had to go through definitely a super mum in my eyes for supporting your son to reach his potential.

Did your doctor every say why babies would have a stroke so early in life? What is the cause? As mother's we worry all the time. Hopefully we find out the reason about my son's weird behaviour. He is turned today making me very proud but with clenched fists. How is that comfy eh



 
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Old Jul 28th, 2017, 23:58 PM   7
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Ah I'm glad the ultrasound looked good. Hopefully he won't need further scans.

I'm not sure what would cause it (maybe positioning in the womb or a mild corporal - not cranial - injury while he was being born?), but maybe he just has some tightness in those muscles that can be worked out with exercises and stretches.

My daughter for sure had a tight right arm. I still don't know why. But along with the weird clenching of the hand she did, she also held it bent against her body a lot of the time, and while she could raise it above her head, it didn't quite extend fully straight like her left.

In the end I paid for a physio to come to my house and assess her, which was really helpful (as she told me in no way did my baby have any type of CP), so the physio will be a really good move for you I think.

My daughter has had full and perfect range of movement in her right arm from what I can see for well over 18 months now. I don't notice any difference any more. Except that she is right-handed lol.

I hope you are able to get to the bottom of it!



 
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Old Jul 29th, 2017, 01:48 AM   8
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He does open them very briefly every now and then but when he is upset or stressed that is his default position. Not batting his toys is another issue.

We did have an ultrasound of his brain and everything looks normal hence for now ruling out cp.

Getting a physio to help and follow up appointment at 6 months. Hopefully he is doing it later eh.

Thanks ladies for the support. Superbriz can't imagine what you had to go through definitely a super mum in my eyes for supporting your son to reach his potential.

Did your doctor every say why babies would have a stroke so early in life? What is the cause? As mother's we worry all the time. Hopefully we find out the reason about my son's weird behaviour. He is turned today making me very proud but with clenched fists. How is that comfy eh
I'm glad the ct scan looked good, that's promising you can massage the palm of his hand in gentle, circular motions to help him open it up. I would try and do that twice a day or as often as you can. Try some colourful wrist rattles to bring his attention to his hands and place small rattles and toys into his fists (if you can without forcing) and help him shake them around. I would physically take his arm and bat them at toys too. Show him what his arms can do and he will begin to recognise that he can do it himself. If you can see a physio sooner rather than later that would be best, even if it's private. Sometimes referrals can be long and you'll want advice and peace of mind for all of you asap.

My son's stroke was as a result of severe bronchiolitis and pneumonia which led to him being intubated and admitted to a picu for a while. Other times babies can have a stroke as a result of a particularly difficult birth. Some can have strokes in the womb at different stages of pregnancy for various reasons.



 
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Old Jul 29th, 2017, 04:26 AM   9
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Clenched fists is a sign of tiredness, but that would be intermittent before naps rather than all the time. I hope you can get some answers and hopefully rule out any problems.



 
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Old Jul 29th, 2017, 14:37 PM   10
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Clenched fists is a sign of tiredness, but that would be intermittent before naps rather than all the time. I hope you can get some answers and hopefully rule out any problems.
Hunger too....

I guess anything that makes them feel not relaxed.



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