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Old Feb 17th, 2011, 16:19 PM   1
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Overtired Advice - 8 weeks old


My 8 week old little girl didn't cry for 7 weeks, thought I was onto a real winner and the last week she gets to 5pm and is clearly overtired and won't settle. Usually takes up to a couple of hours to settle her - lots of carrying around, out in the pram, in the baby carrier, singing songs, darkened room, blah blah.

I have pre-empted this and tried my bloody hardest to get her down before kick off time to nap, but she fights it. I walk her in the pram or carrier to settle her but she fights sleep. She gets herself into such a stupour that nothing seems to work. Tonight has taken an epic four hours to get her to nod off, presumably out of sheer exhaustion.

My questions are this:

She's such a light sleeper anyway (still feeding 3 times a night - 1am, 3am and 6am) how can I get her to nap BEFORE the tiredness kicks in? Bath, stories, darkened room, peace and quiet etc don't work.

She'll make all the gestures for feeding (I'm BFing her) but I'll put her in the position and it just winds her up even more. Why is this?

Carrying her and rocking her are the only things that seem to calm her (yet not in the bloody pram). Is this just her craving warmth and comfort from me? I can't replicate this in her moses basket to a satisfactory level for her in her basket to settle. What else can I do? My arms and back can't take it any more.

I've tried leaving her for short periods of time, but TBH I can't bear hearing her scream and I don't last longer than 5 minutes. I worry she'll choke she gets so hett up.

Please advise what I am doing wrong, what you do that works, if you're in the same position. She's still feeding very much on demand and so I can't necessarily say that I'll feed her at 4pm and settle her that way, because sometimes her feeds run on for up to an hour, sometimes she'll skip a feed and have twice as long later, sometimes she'll nap through when I'm expecting her to eat.

Please help and thank you if you got this far!!



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Old Feb 17th, 2011, 16:43 PM   2
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Is it definitely tiredness? Just with you saying that when you put her to the breast she gets even more agitated. Maybe she has some trapped wind? I also remember reading that at 6/7 weeks babies go through quite a crying phase as they are starting to be awake a little more and don't really know what to do with themselves and it is something they learn to deal with and grow out of. I do remember Frankie becoming more of a crier at about this age but he did grow out of it.

I don't really know what advice to offer TBH. Has she any sort of routine yet? I know she is still very young but maybe if you started putting her down for naps at the same time every day she will begin to realise that nap times are coming and she will be able to pace herself better. I know Frankie had to sleep again after about an hour of being awake (and can still only go about 2 hours now) and so I was pretty much forced to build in these nap times, which ended up co-inciding with the end of a feed after a little while. Sorry, I'm not much help really! xx



 
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Old Feb 17th, 2011, 16:53 PM   3
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Try a constant rolling routine of feed, activity, sleep that spans 3-4 hours. Once she has been awake for an hour she is probably ready for another nap. The fussing at the boob could be because she is tired and wants to comfort suck and not actually feed. Does she fall asleep at the breast? Xx



 
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Old Feb 17th, 2011, 16:56 PM   4
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Is it definitely tiredness? Just with you saying that when you put her to the breast she gets even more agitated. Maybe she has some trapped wind? I also remember reading that at 6/7 weeks babies go through quite a crying phase as they are starting to be awake a little more and don't really know what to do with themselves and it is something they learn to deal with and grow out of. I do remember Frankie becoming more of a crier at about this age but he did grow out of it.

I don't really know what advice to offer TBH. Has she any sort of routine yet? I know she is still very young but maybe if you started putting her down for naps at the same time every day she will begin to realise that nap times are coming and she will be able to pace herself better. I know Frankie had to sleep again after about an hour of being awake (and can still only go about 2 hours now) and so I was pretty much forced to build in these nap times, which ended up co-inciding with the end of a feed after a little while. Sorry, I'm not much help really! xx
Thank you! I'm guessing it's tiredness? She's my 1st and so I play it all by ear really. She yawns, she looks tired and when I do get there she literally stops her crying and passes out to sleep. That's interesting about the 6/7 week crying phase - would make an awful lot of sense.

Routine-wise, she'll do things resembling a routine for a few days and I'll think I've cracked it and then she'll have a longer nap, or feed all day (so it seems), or won't take a feed when she does usually and it all goes out the window.

She's like Frankie though, an hour to two after first waking and she can pass out to sleep again ... but again, that can change. I'll defo start building in definite nap times. Perhaps if she has one element of a routine in place - sleeping, then the feeding etc will start to fit around it. Thank you so much! xx



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Old Feb 17th, 2011, 16:58 PM   5
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Try a constant rolling routine of feed, activity, sleep that spans 3-4 hours. Once she has been awake for an hour she is probably ready for another nap. The fussing at the boob could be because she is tired and wants to comfort suck and not actually feed. Does she fall asleep at the breast? Xx
Thank you! Yes I have thought that she comfort sucks sometimes, as in she doesn't appear to be feeding, just going through the motions. She will often fall asleep at the breast too, but it's hard to know how to get her out of that, it sort of pacifies her. When I try and put her down like that, often she'll wake up and make all the motions of wanting food again. Often I'll just let her sleep like that because it's easier ... though I'm making a rod for my own back I can see!!!

It's easier to see where you're going wrong when you explain it and get feedback! Thank you! xx



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Just another question - how do you ladies get your LOs to nap in the daytime? Say she's been fed, burped, changed, what do I do next to get her into sleep mode? Thanks!



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Just another question - how do you ladies get your LOs to nap in the daytime? Say she's been fed, burped, changed, what do I do next to get her into sleep mode? Thanks!
Until yesterday I just had to dance with her, walk her in the pram or let her fall asleep on the boob. But I got a moby wrap yesterday and she has happily had 2 of her 3 naps in it today.

Have you tried a dummy? She might not take to it but if she can it might help as she is comfort sucking to sleep. I believe they get better at naps as they get older though xxx



 
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Old Feb 17th, 2011, 17:12 PM   8
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sebastian was probably almost four months before i could put him down for a nap without helping him go to sleep first. i think this is okay, as he learned himself eventually. but he always fell asleep at the breast or being carried and then it was a challenge to move him into his crib or a safe sleeping space and be hands-free. rough time, but it passes.



 
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Just another question - how do you ladies get your LOs to nap in the daytime? Say she's been fed, burped, changed, what do I do next to get her into sleep mode? Thanks!
Until yesterday I just had to dance with her, walk her in the pram or let her fall asleep on the boob. But I got a moby wrap yesterday and she has happily had 2 of her 3 naps in it today.

Have you tried a dummy? She might not take to it but if she can it might help as she is comfort sucking to sleep. I believe they get better at naps as they get older though xxx
Thank you! I need to Google this Moby wrap and get one, whatever it is!!! I think I need to be more receptive to the signs she's giving me - like when she nods off I should put her down, when she starts yawning I should start to get her into sleep mode etc. She spends her few snoozing minutes/hours in the daytime mostly in her vibrating chair or on me.

I tried her with a dummy a couple of times, but it just seemed to aggravate her. Would get her off the boob thing though wouldn't it? xx



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sebastian was probably almost four months before i could put him down for a nap without helping him go to sleep first. i think this is okay, as he learned himself eventually. but he always fell asleep at the breast or being carried and then it was a challenge to move him into his crib or a safe sleeping space and be hands-free. rough time, but it passes.
Thank you! He sounds the same as my LO. It's really reassuring to know that it does pass though. Hands-free!!! You don't realise how much you take it for granted! When the OH gets home and I can hand her over it's a really odd sensation not having a mini person attached to me and being able to pull my trousers down to wee using both hands!! (TMI sorry!) xxx



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