Delayed vaccination-Update-New doctor sounds promising - Page 3

LannieDuck · Mar 19th, 2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Eve

We decided to get the one for menengitis, as I know of a few children who have died because of it... chicken pox however? No... no need for it in my opinion and by injecting our children with all of these chemicals, I do wonder what we are really doing to their body and immune systems.

I can understand deciding to get/not to get/to delay individual vaccinations because you've researched the risks of that particular injection. I think I'd be sceptical of the benefits of a chicken pox vaccine too (we don't have it in the UK).

I have more difficulty understanding the blanket statements I sometimes hear that "I'm not vaccinating my child".

Eve · Mar 19th, 2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozzieshunni

I know that I'm doing it because some of these illnesses could negatively impact Alex's heart. I have to make a choice as to what's more important and I'll take that risk to see my son healthy and happy (which he thankfully is).

If a child that is un vaccinated comes in contact with my son and he or she is carrying an illness that he hasn't been vaccinated for, who is negatively affected?

In your situation I would have vaccinated against anything that could do more harm to my child as well. It depends on the person IMO and their situation.

Ozzieshunni · Mar 19th, 2012, 12:47 PM

I'm happy with our choices. Alex is healthy and his heart is fine. I reviewed risks of vaccinating with Alex's cardiologist and our GP. Both were fine with delaying the MMR.

Eve · Mar 19th, 2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LannieDuck

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Originally Posted by Eve

We decided to get the one for menengitis, as I know of a few children who have died because of it... chicken pox however? No... no need for it in my opinion and by injecting our children with all of these chemicals, I do wonder what we are really doing to their body and immune systems.

I can understand deciding to get/not to get/to delay individual vaccinations because you've researched the risks of that particular injection. I think I'd be sceptical of the benefits of a chicken pox vaccine too (we don't have it in the UK).

I have more difficulty understanding the blanket statements I sometimes hear that "I'm not vaccinating my child".

I run a natural parenting page on FB and most of them are very anti-vax and it bothers me to some degree, but I do fully believe it is their choice. I think you need to do your own proper research and come to your own conclusion on what you feel is best for your family at the time. I do not like the fact that we are vaccinating against usually harmless diseases though... it just makes me uneasy.

I was told once that vaccines should be used for their primary purpose. To protect those with immune system complications and those who are too poor to have fresh water, proper food, and access to good medical attention.

Makes sense, but do I fully agree? I honestly don't know.

Eve · Mar 19th, 2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozzieshunni

I'm happy with our choices. Alex is healthy and his heart is fine. I reviewed risks of vaccinating with Alex's cardiologist and our GP. Both were fine with delaying the MMR.

We have delayed the MMR and our doctor was fine with it... they were laughing and joking with me which made me feel better about my choices. As I have said before, I am not for or against them fully.

LannieDuck · Mar 19th, 2012, 13:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Leopard

Both of you are at risk, even when he is vaccinated. Vaccinated babies (ones vaccinated with the live vaccines) can actually pass that disease onto the unvaccinated, whereas an unvacc'd child can pass a different strain of disease onto him.

The way you have to look at it, is every time you vaccinate, you are creating an artificial immune system and destroying their natural immune system. Every time someone is vaccinated there is a very high possibility that they virus or disease they were vaccinated against will mutate into something more dangerous.
Take the H1N1 (I think) virus, or the swine flu as it was better known. Several of my friends had the vaccine against it; and got a really bad strain of the virus, and ended up in hospital, because it was a mutated strain. I got the swine flu myself, but it was pretty subdued and now my body is better equipped to fight off all the strains, not just the artificially prevented one.

It's possible I've misunderstood, but I think what you're saying is, because we vaccinate against a particular strain of, e.g. flu, we're just helping other strains to become dominant?

That's true for flu, which is why they change the strains included in the vaccine every year in response to what's circulating.

And I don't think it's a reason not to vaccinate against nasty diseases like measles, which has a pretty high death rate. Sure, a new type of measles might come along in the future with a higher mortality rate, but it could be a long time coming (measles doesn't mutate quickly, unlike flu), and its extremely unlikely that the number of deaths caused would be so great as to nullify the good work done by the measles vaccine in the short term (the new-hypothetical strain might even be less lethal

).

tommyg · Mar 19th, 2012, 13:08 PM

Not sure why social service are involve with delayed vacination.

I can't understand people refusing vacines measles can kill without discression of clean water or not. I worked with a man probably now in his 60's who caught polio as a child he was paralised down his right side and not being daft we had clean water etc in the UK 60 years ago. Meningitis - well god love Divinebeauty and her family don't think I need say more.

I stupidly refused the swine flu vacine. I ended up fighting for my life with it, a week in hospital and all sorts of ante viral and antebiotic drugs thrown at me, and oxygen. Thank fully both me and LO were ok.

Leopard · Mar 19th, 2012, 13:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LannieDuck

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Originally Posted by Leopard

Both of you are at risk, even when he is vaccinated. Vaccinated babies (ones vaccinated with the live vaccines) can actually pass that disease onto the unvaccinated, whereas an unvacc'd child can pass a different strain of disease onto him.

The way you have to look at it, is every time you vaccinate, you are creating an artificial immune system and destroying their natural immune system. Every time someone is vaccinated there is a very high possibility that they virus or disease they were vaccinated against will mutate into something more dangerous.
Take the H1N1 (I think) virus, or the swine flu as it was better known. Several of my friends had the vaccine against it; and got a really bad strain of the virus, and ended up in hospital, because it was a mutated strain. I got the swine flu myself, but it was pretty subdued and now my body is better equipped to fight off all the strains, not just the artificially prevented one.

It's possible I've misunderstood, but I think what you're saying is, because we vaccinate against a particular strain of, e.g. flu, we're just helping other strains to become dominant?

That's true for flu, which is why they change the strains included in the vaccine every year in response to what's circulating.

And I don't think it's a reason not to vaccinate against nasty diseases like measles, which has a pretty high death rate. Sure, a new type of measles might come along in the future with a higher mortality rate, but it could be a long time coming (measles doesn't mutate quickly, unlike flu), and its extremely unlikely that the number of deaths caused would be so great as to nullify the good work done by the measles vaccine in the short term (the new-hypothetical strain might even be less lethal

).

This isn't my only reason for not vaccinating. We are still deciding whether to delay or just not do it at all. Vaccinating is also closely link with autism and other psychological problems, it's known to weaken the body against other, non vaccine-preventable diseases, the antigens in the vaccines themselves can be quite dangerous to a developing body. I think we will probably end up leaving it up to her when she is older if she wants them.
I have nothing against vaccinating mums, but for us it is a decision we did jot make lightly. The doctors originally made us delay her 2 month vaccinations because there was a possibility she was going to need surgery, now they have given the thumbs uo I have been informed her 2 month vaccs and her 4 months vaccs would be given 1 month apart. That is an overload of chemicals imo.

Ozzieshunni · Mar 19th, 2012, 13:12 PM

The link between vaccinating and autism was disproved. Autism symptoms manifest around the same time the MMR vaccine is given. There was never a proven link. Even the researcher said his study was flawed

Leopard · Mar 19th, 2012, 13:15 PM

There have been new studies, but I'm too tired to find them for you.

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Ozzieshunni Mum (Mom) BnB Elite Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 19,286	I'm happy with our choices. Alex is healthy and his heart is fine. I reviewed risks of vaccinating with Alex's cardiologist and our GP. Both were fine with delaying the MMR.

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tommyg Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,292	Not sure why social service are involve with delayed vacination. I can't understand people refusing vacines measles can kill without discression of clean water or not. I worked with a man probably now in his 60's who caught polio as a child he was paralised down his right side and not being daft we had clean water etc in the UK 60 years ago. Meningitis - well god love Divinebeauty and her family don't think I need say more. I stupidly refused the swine flu vacine. I ended up fighting for my life with it, a week in hospital and all sorts of ante viral and antebiotic drugs thrown at me, and oxygen. Thank fully both me and LO were ok.

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Ozzieshunni Mum (Mom) BnB Elite Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 19,286	The link between vaccinating and autism was disproved. Autism symptoms manifest around the same time the MMR vaccine is given. There was never a proven link. Even the researcher said his study was flawed

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Leopard Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4,864	There have been new studies, but I'm too tired to find them for you.

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