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Old Nov 8th, 2015, 02:52 AM   11
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The constant air swallowing was so fustrating with DS. I had to stop and burp him so many times in the middle of a feed. I only ever managed to express 5 or 6 m even when my supply was fine, my body just didnt respond to it. I was told it would improve but I gave up because supply wasnt a problem with my 1st and DS had already started feeding better by the time I tried.

DS felt more like he was biting a lot of time when he fed. I think its because he couldnt suck very well he had to squeeze the milk out instead, lol. He wouldnt except a deap latch no matter how many times I tried. Eventually he would just cry and refuse to latch on so I didnt have much choice but to use a shallow latch which was uncomfortable. Those things improved greatly after his tongue and lip were clipped.



 
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Old Nov 11th, 2015, 16:40 PM   12
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So two lc's now have told me that it looks like I have insufficient glandular tissue. I'm just not going to be able to really breastfeed. And now that he's already 6 weeks, anything I do to increase supply is only going to be a little effective. I feel like I've tried so hard and it and me are worthless.



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Old Nov 11th, 2015, 17:00 PM   13
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Sorry to hear you haven't come up with a better solution but you have done a wonderful job and have tried everything you can. Unfortunately many times mums give up way to early because of lack of support or bad advice so everyone first reaction is to tell you just need to stick it out, spend more time feeding to increase supply etc. Some women really can't produce enough milk. It isn't your fault in any way. Now that you know your problem maybe you can seek some advice about what to do next. Even if you have no choice but to supplement it doesn't mean you have to give up on breastfeeding altogether if you don't want to. Even a small amount of milk can be beneficial and breastfeeding can still be comforting for your LO.



 
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Old Nov 12th, 2015, 01:50 AM   14
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So two lc's now have told me that it looks like I have insufficient glandular tissue. I'm just not going to be able to really breastfeed. And now that he's already 6 weeks, anything I do to increase supply is only going to be a little effective. I feel like I've tried so hard and it and me are worthless.
This is a great source of info
http://www.llli.org/llleaderweb/lv/lviss2-3-2009p4.html

Make sure you truely believe their diagnosis though. As is say, my breasts are widely spaced and hardly changed during pregnancy and I was able to bf once my baby learned to suck properly. Latch issues are far more common than breast issues, however if this diagnosis is correct, please don't beat yourself up. You have tried so hard, and it is not your fault.



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Old Nov 12th, 2015, 21:24 PM   15
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I am getting a hospital pump. My insurance is paying for 12 months of it. I will be going on domperidone once I get a prescription. I'm going to ask my OB for one tomorrow at my 6 week. If she won't/can't prescribe it, the LC gave me some info on people that will in town. I am hopeful that these things will help. I know that my baby will latch better if I have more milk, so I'm more aggressively working on the milk rather than the nursing. Nursing is just so stressful, so I'm trying to just have him there at the breast random times and working hard at relaxing.

I feel better today. I was a mess yesterday. I still am very upset at my body and myself in general. I'm angry at the previous LC's and the hospital for not helping me more in the beginning. They saw there was a problem and instead of working on all the possible reasons for it and following up with me, they just said pump with what you've got (the pump in style) and feed formula with a bottle. I'm a first time mom. I don't know what I'm doing. I had/have PPD and honestly could for the first 2-3 works couldn't do anything or think anything.

The LC did say there Eddie had a bit of a lip tie on the top lip but didn't seem too concerned by it. It doesn't hurt when he latches unless he obviously latches wrong. Speaking of, if he latches only on to the tip of the nipple, should I let him do that for now or take him off? I'm not really sure what to do in those instances, because I want him to nurse, but would having him do it wrong do more harm than good? I honestly don't care if it hurts but I know that can cause damage.



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Old Nov 13th, 2015, 04:30 AM   16
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If you can get him to latch right it would be better but I know with DS it was a shallow latch or nothing. I could relatch him with a deap latch several times and he'd change it to a shallow latch until he got fed up with me messing and screamed. He had lip tie and we finally got it cut when he was 4 months old as by that point the shallow latch was causing me problems and he was slow gaining weight. The lactation consultant who did it agreed to clip his tounge too. She didnt think he had tounge tie but wasn't 100% sure he didnt so I wanted to cover all bases. It did make a big difference for us. It didnt cure things right away but within a couple of weeks feeding was 30% better I'd say, which was a huge difference for me. It might be worth to pursue the lip tie thing. If I was to do it again I would have gotten that done as soon as possible.

It sounds like you have a great plan of action in place. As far as the time that has passed it shouldnt matter too much for improving your supply. You might have to work a little harder but your supply can improve at any time. Of course if you have underlying issues that effect the amount of milk your body can produce that is different but if you are able to do it dont worry that the time that has passed means you have lost your chance. I really hope it works for you. Either way you will know you have given it every possible chance.



 
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Old Nov 23rd, 2015, 22:26 PM   17
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I just wanted to give a quick update. I just started my domperidone, and I started goat's rue yesterday. Tomorrow we are going in for a lip and tongue tie consultation with a pediatric dentist in Chicago. We will do the revision if the dentist recommends it at the same time. I have my Symphony Pump, and am pumping for about 10 to 15 minutes every 1 1/2 hours. I'm not really getting anything, but I just started the meds. Eddie is not latching, but he is wanting to all the time. He is constantly rooting and moving to the breast. He puts his mouth on the nipple and licks, but won't latch. I think everything is moving in the right direction though. Thanks everyone!



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Old Jul 7th, 2017, 13:06 PM   18
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I know this is a pretty old post, but I'm curious how goat's rue and domperidone worked for you, apreslaube. I've read goat's rue and alfalfa can both help develop breast tissue if there's a deficiency there, so I'd really love to know. I haven't been told I have IGT, but there's a chance I may considering none of the women in my family have successfully been able to breastfeed. I've made it much farther than any of them so far, and I have no plans to stop anytime soon. My supply issues aren't as severe as yours were, but DD was never able to get enough once my mature milk came in and she started losing weight fast. We had to supplement with formula to try to get her back to birth weight and we haven't stopped yet. Actually we've been fortifying both breast milk and formula to try to help her play catch up. I breastfeed exclusively if I can when I'm home with her, but while she's with the sitter, of course, she gets bottles and that's when we fortify.

And noon_child and BunnyN, you seem to know quite a bit about breastfeeding and supply and latch issues through personal experience and volunteer work. If breastfeeding gets off to a bad start (mostly latch-related) and isn't really improved much until after that first 6 weeks or so after things have regulated, will that make it really difficult to improve a low supply? I suspect DD may have tongue and/or lip ties and I'm trying to see a LC through insurance, but there seems to be a huge hold up getting a local LC certified to participate in my insurance plan. I can't afford to pay for it out of pocket, so I have to wait. DD is going to be 5 months tomorrow, so I'm not sure if getting ties fixed will help much with breastfeeding at this point, but at the very least they can be fixed to avoid other issues for her in the future. Would a tie possibly be the main problem with my supply issues?

I've done everything they say to do and managed to increase my production some, but I'm still only getting about 7-15 ml per letdown on my left side, so it takes me an hour to pump with a manual pump on both sides to get sometimes not even a full 2 oz combined. It's much worse with the double electric I have (supplied by insurance), so I've pretty much given up on that. Oatmeal is the only thing I've found to give me a boost, so my first pump of the day may yield 3-4 oz, but it goes down from there. Needless to say, basically every pumping session is a power pumping session, so that won't help me any.

I've been taking fenugreek for two weeks now without any change and just added blessed thistle Wednesday night. I've been taking milk thistle and fennel as well as moringa and the milk thistle/fennel do help some as well as red raspberry leaf tea with the let downs being much improved, but I mostly still take the moringa to combat the constipation DD and I seem to be having. I found out when I started taking 3 of them 3x a day it gave us both diarrhea, so I started taking it again when I stopped and we both ended up constipated.

Sorry, that ended up being a REALLY long post, but I wanted to give you all some history so you know what I've already tried.



 
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Old Jul 7th, 2017, 14:58 PM   19
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lenorajoy - I really feel for women who have to go back to work so soon. It must be so hard getting past those early difficulties when you aren't able to actually stay wth your baby and feed them!! Pumping is hard enough and often affects supply even when breastfeeding got off to a good start, so when things aren't smooth going it can really compound issues. I'd say that a tongue tie is likely to have been contributing to your LO's problems. I know someone who had it reversed at 6months and their LO went from feeding every hour to every three hours and feeds were quicker too, so for her it as definitely worth it. She had been able to preserve her milk supply by directly feeding every hour but you are in that situation where you are having to use the pump instead. You're a superstar for persevering! Go you! Please don't feel like in some way you are to blame or your body doesn't work - lots of things beyond your control (including the maternity leave - or lack of it - situation where you live) have been working against you but you have been fighting against the odd to do what you feel is right for your child.

Are there any La Leche League chapters near you. These volunteer Breastfeeding Counsellors can help for free!



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Old Jul 10th, 2017, 07:06 AM   20
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I spoke with one LLL LC, but she went through everything I've tried and then she referred me to a LC that could assess a tongue tie, which meant a $150-175 consultation. We can't afford to pay for that out of pocket, so I'm kind of stuck for the moment. We have a weigh-in at the pediatrician's office tomorrow afternoon, so I'm going to ask them who they recommend I see to check for a tongue tie. I believe my insurance covers a frenectomy if it interferes with breastfeeding, so I would imagine they would cover costs associated with it as well, including a consultation. I really hope we can get this taken care of sooner rather than later, especially since nobody seems all that concerned with me being able to see a lactation consultant. I've been pestering the hospital that was supposed to be taking care of it with my insurance company and I haven't heard a thing...

I do feel as though my body has failed me, but I also know it's out of my control and isn't my fault. It's hard not to feel awful about it anyway, but it's more like I mourn what could have been and what I expected rather than blaming myself.

Maternity leave in the states is just pathetic! At the very least, I'm glad that our government is now providing 6 weeks for those whose employers don't provide any maternity leave at all with pay. You can take 12 weeks regardless, but it's without pay if your employer doesn't opt to pay you. Who can afford that if they actually need their paycheck? And I'd guess they wouldn't be working if they didn't need it, and they'll need it even more with a baby to take care of! It's just so dumb...



 
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