Forum Rules


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old Aug 12th, 2016, 02:56 AM   11
noon_child
Mum (Mom)
BnB Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs W 11 View Post
Just wondered how feeding is going now?

My dd clamped the nipple like this causing pain, lipstick nipple and a white stripe. Now my ds is 4 weeks old and does the same it's SO painful. I think mine is shallow latch, I guess I have big nipples and babies with small mouths?!

Just wondered if things had got better for you or if you had any tips for me? X
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs W 11 View Post
Oh Minties, isn't it awful?! Do you get pain after feeding as well when the blood flows back into the nipple? That and the latch is the worst bit for me, the latch is still getting worse for me not better! Thank god once the let down happens it eases. Did your older babies have the same issue or is this the first time?
If your babies clamp down but ease off after the initial letdown, and both did it, but you still get vasospasm after feeds, two things immediately came to mind:
1) the letdown itself is forceful and baby clamps to slow the milk flow - this would happen with both children if your body is prone to oversupply and/or fast letdown.
2) baby has tongue tie stopping them from drawing milk out correctly (so they mash it between their gums) but once letdown comes they don't have to 'suck' and can just gulp what is coming out, so ease off.

I wonder if Minties' DD could have been OK with the flow of colostrum in hospital because it only comes out in drips, but once milk came in she couldn't handle it and learnt to restrict the flow by using a shallow latch. Even once old enough to cope with the flow she might just have been in the habit of latching the same way.

Of course tongue tie can make it much harder to cope with fast letdown, so it is possible to have a bit of both in the mix. I think my LO had an undiagnosed TT which only stopped her tongue movement to a small extent, so she would latch and feed but it was painful and caused damage. She hated one side much more than the other and would constantly come off or latch much more shallowly. Later as her latch improved (I assume her tongue had to do less work once she was bigger so the tie didn't affect feeding to the same extent) she preferred the "bad" side and I realised it was my higher producing side. Despite not having fast letdown (never sprayed, rarely leaked) with a TT my girl couldn't cope with flow. Other babies can't cope with flow even without TT, if it is very strong.



Status: Offline
 
Old Aug 12th, 2016, 11:44 AM   12
Mrs W 11
Mum (Mom)
BnB Addict
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 5,067
Thanks noon child. Forceful let down did cross my mind but he clamps all the way through the feed and doesn't ease off once the flow slows. He doesn't seem to be able to get a deeper latch no matter what I try. I've tried laying down to slow the flow but it makes no difference. Even if I put him back on after the fast flow is done he still clamps which is what makes me think shallow latch.

It hurts most at beginning and end of feed which I had put down to friction. Once I feel the let down and hear him swallowing it eases and I guess the milk makes it feel less painful as its all slippery and wet?! Then as soon as the milk flow slows I gradually feel the pinch worsen. I usually unlatch him at the end of the feed once he's sucking and no swallowing.

I can't wait until he grows out of it, I can cope in the day but the post feed pain keeps me awake at night even though I'm exhausted. It's like my whole boob is on fire or something!



 
Status: Offline
 
Old Aug 12th, 2016, 11:49 AM   13
Mrs W 11
Mum (Mom)
BnB Addict
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 5,067
Also regarding Tongue tie, I've been told he has a very slight tt but it shouldn't be affecting feeding and isn't bad enough to cut. I was told exactly the same with my dd.



 
Status: Offline
 
Old Aug 12th, 2016, 12:15 PM   14
bcos21
Mum (Mom)
Active BnB Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 854
I used a nipple shield for 6 months, fixed all my latching problems. Then one day he decided he didn't need it any more, continued nursing until he was 2.5 and he self weaned during this pregnancy. Good luck, I know it's frustrating



 
Status: Offline
 
Old Aug 12th, 2016, 13:02 PM   15
noon_child
Mum (Mom)
BnB Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs W 11 View Post
Also regarding Tongue tie, I've been told he has a very slight tt but it shouldn't be affecting feeding and isn't bad enough to cut. I was told exactly the same with my dd.
Only you and your baby can tell if the tongue tie is affecting feeding, because its not what it looks like but how the tongue is able to move that is important. I was told my LO didn't have a tongue tie at all but despite this she rarely cupped my breast with her tongue, used her gums to massage milk out, gave me striped, angled nipples that hurt through the whole feed. She could stick her tongue out, but the moment she tried to suck she'd pull it back inwards!

Can you get a second opinion from anyone?



Status: Offline
 
Old Aug 12th, 2016, 22:31 PM   16
minties
Mum (Mom)
BnB Elite
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 15,733
Quote:
Originally Posted by noon_child View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs W 11 View Post
Just wondered how feeding is going now?

My dd clamped the nipple like this causing pain, lipstick nipple and a white stripe. Now my ds is 4 weeks old and does the same it's SO painful. I think mine is shallow latch, I guess I have big nipples and babies with small mouths?!

Just wondered if things had got better for you or if you had any tips for me? X
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs W 11 View Post
Oh Minties, isn't it awful?! Do you get pain after feeding as well when the blood flows back into the nipple? That and the latch is the worst bit for me, the latch is still getting worse for me not better! Thank god once the let down happens it eases. Did your older babies have the same issue or is this the first time?
If your babies clamp down but ease off after the initial letdown, and both did it, but you still get vasospasm after feeds, two things immediately came to mind:
1) the letdown itself is forceful and baby clamps to slow the milk flow - this would happen with both children if your body is prone to oversupply and/or fast letdown.
2) baby has tongue tie stopping them from drawing milk out correctly (so they mash it between their gums) but once letdown comes they don't have to 'suck' and can just gulp what is coming out, so ease off.

I wonder if Minties' DD could have been OK with the flow of colostrum in hospital because it only comes out in drips, but once milk came in she couldn't handle it and learnt to restrict the flow by using a shallow latch. Even once old enough to cope with the flow she might just have been in the habit of latching the same way.

Of course tongue tie can make it much harder to cope with fast letdown, so it is possible to have a bit of both in the mix. I think my LO had an undiagnosed TT which only stopped her tongue movement to a small extent, so she would latch and feed but it was painful and caused damage. She hated one side much more than the other and would constantly come off or latch much more shallowly. Later as her latch improved (I assume her tongue had to do less work once she was bigger so the tie didn't affect feeding to the same extent) she preferred the "bad" side and I realised it was my higher producing side. Despite not having fast letdown (never sprayed, rarely leaked) with a TT my girl couldn't cope with flow. Other babies can't cope with flow even without TT, if it is very strong.
You could be onto something there. When my letdown occurs she often chokes, pulls off, then there is a lot of clicking, gulping and taking in air when she re-latches.

She never opens her mouth wide to latch on either, makes a face you'd associate with someone that has a straw in their mouth and her tongue sticks out, she sucks the nipple in which really hurts.



 
Status: Offline
 
Reply



Bookmarks

Tags
end , latch , lipstick , nipple , shallow , wits

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



SEO by vBSEO