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Old Nov 27th, 2012, 16:48 PM   1
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To Vaccinate or Not?


Did you choose to vaccinate?

Why? Why not?

I'm so stuck as to what to do.. I've never been vaccinated, neither has my sister, and we've never contracted a bad illness.. Yet my niece was vaccinated, and got meningitis and died.

I've been hearing of more and more horror stories of problems after vaccines.. The homeopath my sister has seen said that even though she is a doctor, she is against vaccines (although doesnt make that very well known otherwise she could lose her job!) especially after her daughter was vaccinated (8 week ones) and only a few hours later showed autistic characteristics that weren't normal to her (not from MMR for the record).

What are your views? Either way I'm going to have to live with my decision :/ x



 
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Old Nov 27th, 2012, 16:55 PM   2
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I don't understand how an 8 week old can show autistic characteristics. To me that sounds like someone is saying what they want to believe rather than a reality.

In short, yes, I absolutely believe in vaccination. No, they are not 100% fool proof and unfortunately side effects do occur, but I believe the overall benefit outweighs that. I do respect a parent's right to choose though. Yes, herd immunity is important, but IMO the choice is a human rights issue and takes precedent.



 
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Old Nov 27th, 2012, 18:09 PM   3
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She said she wasn't herself and was being very spaced out and starey and just not normal.. And she said it took weeks of her treating her with homeopathic remedies for her to get back to her normal self.

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Old Nov 27th, 2012, 20:27 PM   4
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Can I just use this as a forum to admit that I'm not sure mine could have gotten any more spaced out and stare-y than he already was at 8 weeks? I worried for weeks on end that my boy must have been a bit ******** because I heard other moms talk about their newborns' personalities. He didn't stop staring at the ceiling fan until at least 10 weeks.

I believe in vaccinations, but take an alternative vaccine schedule where I feel they give too many shots at once. I'm also not going to get him the flu shot or probably the chicken pox vaccine unless I come across something that changes my mind about the cp one.

ETA: sorry, censors, didn't realize I wasn't allowed to use that word. Developmentally delayed, perhaps?



 
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Old Nov 28th, 2012, 03:53 AM   5
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That word means something slightly different in the UK

We do vaccinate but we have delayed the MMR until 15 months because it's more effective then.

I do believe that for the individual, vaccination possibly isn't the best idea if everybody else is vaccinated, because I don't think it's ideal to mess around with the immune system. An unvaccinated person in a society of vaccinated people will maybe have a health advantage, but IMO that is only because of the herd effect. I believe it's in society's best interests for everybody to be vaccinated, so really I want everybody else's children to have their jabs so that mine don't have to. However, I don't want to live like that - if I want everybody else to do it for the safety of my children, I will do it too. I don't think my child has any more value than another mum's baby (obviously they do to me, but not in the bigger picture), so we vaccinate.

So yes, I know there are some side effects to various vaccines but the autism link is absolute bollocks. In my humble opinion, of course.



 
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Old Nov 28th, 2012, 10:53 AM   6
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I chose to not give my baby vaccines


During my pregnancy i did tons and tons of research from books and accredited
government websites and I came to the conclusion that giving vaccines to my baby is not worth the risk.
Some diseases do not even exist anymore due to improved and hygienic living conditions and clean water access etc. While others show no full protection against a disease. Most disease outbreaks occur with fully vaccinated children anyways....... so what is the point.
The vaccine industry is a 50 billion dollar industry in this country, drug companies push pediatricians with incentives so they keep a current vaccine schedule with their patients. I do not trust drug companies period!!!
I mean why would you give a tiny creature whose immune system is merely beginning to develop, 8 viruses in one day and a chemical concoction to go along with it? I mean over 20 vaccines before their first year...really?



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Old Nov 28th, 2012, 14:20 PM   7
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Could I ask what risks you found to vaccinations? x



 
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Old Nov 28th, 2012, 21:09 PM   8
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I agree with the above- an 8 week old can't display autistic characteristics, they aren't anywhere near developed enough. My LO had roseola a few months ago and spent a lot of time staring with glassy eyes- because he felt ill and lethargic no doubt. Thinking that an 8-week old is displaying signs of autism is a huge leap based on nothing scientific. At about exactly that age my LO loved to stare at his hand- as did the babies of most people I know.

I completely support parents having the choice whether or not to vaccinate, provided they keep a sharp lookout for symptoms of things like measles and make an effort to then isolate their kids from at-risk people like newborn babies. I was vaccinated as were my brothers and we are all very healthy. I have chosen to vaccinate my LO and so far so is he, just the odd cold and the one bout of roseola in 19.5 months.

Here in Japan vaccines are not grouped together as much as they seem to be in other countries- the most you get at one time is the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus) and also they don't start quite as early. Our paediatrician recommended spacing out vaccines so LO has mostly had them one at a time and has had no reactions to any of them.



 
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Old Nov 28th, 2012, 21:46 PM   9
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I completely agree with H2OMommy

My 16 month old son is not vaccinated and most likely never will be. He is extremely healthy and has only been sick twice, once with Roseola and once with a minor cold. Like H2O, I did a lot of research while pregnant and after reading, watching, and hearing what I did, I could never get my son vaccinated . . the risks of the vaccines outweigh the "pros" to me. There are so many things to consider with vaccines like the studies done, adverse reactions, ingredients, the true effectiveness, etc.

One of the risks I've heard a lot about and actually have some experience with within my family is allergic reactions. My cousin has a severe allergy to eggs and there is actually egg in a number of vaccines. Sadly my aunt didn't know this and brought him in for his vaccines and he had a serious reaction to it because the doctors never tested him for allergies prior to the shots. I've done a ton of research and if you'd like anymore info you can PM me and I can send you some

All that said, I really think vaccinating your child is an extremely personal decision. You can do all the research you want and listen to all the advice you can, but as a mom you need to go with your gut and do what you believe is best for your child



 
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Old Nov 28th, 2012, 22:28 PM   10
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We started out vaccinating my first and second. I was young when I had them, had my first at 16, and thought I had no choice, I had never heard anything negative about vaccines, truly knew nothing about them. After my 2nd was born I started reading more online about it, we still had him almost fully vaccinated, at least for the first 2yrs. Neither child ever had a bad side effect but after doing tons and tons of research while pregnant with my 3rd we made the decision to stop vaccinating and to never vaccinate further children. We found that for OUR children the risks outweighed the benefits. We looked at everything. We looked at the efficiency of the vaccines, the ingredients, the risks and benefits of having the vaccine, the risks and benefits of having the actual disease, the chance of contracting the disease, etc. After all of that we felt the vaccines posed more risk than the benefits you receive from them.

With that said I'm not against vaccines. I think every parent should research and decide for themselves. Just because I feel they aren't right for my kid doesn't mean I think that no one should get vaccinated.

My kids are now 9yrs (vaccinated until about age 3), 7yrs (vaccinated until age 2), 5yrs and 18mo (neither have had any vaccines). None has ever had anything that could have been prevented by a vaccine. All are very healthy, even the youngest who was a preemie. The older 3 all attend public school.



 
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