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Old Jul 8th, 2015, 19:46 PM   11
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It is true there is trace amounts of human fetal tissue in live vaccinations.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/aborted...ry?id=29005539
I think the key paragraph is here, which says it is misleading to say there is tissue in the vaccines.

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The original cells were obtained more than 50 years ago and have been maintained under strict federal guidelines by the American Type Culture Collection, according to Merck.

"These cell lines are now more than three generations removed from their origin, and we have not used any new tissue to produce these vaccines," the company added in its statement.

To say that the vaccines contain a significant amount of human fetal tissue, as some objectors to the vaccines claim, is misleading, stressed Dr. Paul Offit, the director of the vaccine education center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

"There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram," he said. "You would find as much if you analyzed the fruits and vegetables you eat."

And to remove human fibroblast cells entirely from vaccines is out of the question, Offit explained, noting they are necessary because human viruses don't grow well in animal cells.



 
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Old Jul 27th, 2015, 10:49 AM   12
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http://m.aleteia.org/en/health/artic...21336255676416



 
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Old Jul 27th, 2015, 12:43 PM   13
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A doctor who produces "alternative vaccines" through her own "prolife" company, makes totally unsourced and unreferenced claims to a Catholic newspaper... Not exactly what I would regard as an unbiased or scientifically credible set of sources.



 
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Old Jul 27th, 2015, 15:39 PM   14
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For those interested, here is a very comprehensive rebuttal of the poor science in the link above, done by a fellow Christian scientist.

https://rationalcatholicblog.wordpre...i-the-numbers/



 
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Old Dec 4th, 2015, 14:05 PM   15
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My two eldest children are fully vaccinated.
DS2 is partially vaccinated and my youngest will have no vaccinations. I have done my research and believe this is the best for our family. Here is a great article I found rather interesting with a little humour.
http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/dr-...fe-and-i-have/



 
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Old Dec 4th, 2015, 16:20 PM   16
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My two eldest children are fully vaccinated.
DS2 is partially vaccinated and my youngest will have no vaccinations. I have done my research and believe this is the best for our family. Here is a great article I found rather interesting with a little humour.
http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/dr-...fe-and-i-have/
There are so many issues with that article that I literally do not know where to start so how about I just ask: does it not alarm you that not one single claim that he makes in that entire piece is linked to a reference that you can follow up to verify it? Or that the writer calls himself Dr Kurt Perkins when he is not in fact a medical doctor?

For balance, I will provide a link to a direct counterpoint to that article, which is heavily referenced in regard to Mr Perkins' claims. http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skept...nores-science/



 
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Old Dec 4th, 2015, 18:16 PM   17
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http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/200...h-pdf-download



 
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Old Dec 4th, 2015, 18:51 PM   18
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I will go through that PDF and look at whether the studies quoted legitimately support the claim that they constitute good evidence not to vaccinate. However I have to say I am instantly suspicious based on the flat out misstatement on the main page that the CDC claims negative vaccine reactions do not exist.

It is well known that in a small number of cases, vaccines cause serious negative reactions. What every major medical institution in the world agrees on is that the risk presented of serious vaccine harm is insignificant compared to the risk presented of serious harm by the diseases being vaccinated against.



 
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Old Dec 4th, 2015, 19:06 PM   19
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Okay, I've just had a quick look at a few of those studies and have yet to find one that legitimately supports the claim that they show "evidence-based reasons not to vaccinate". (Quick example: one study simply shows that breastfeeding is associated with a reduction in fever post-vaccination.)

Before I spend time typing up a thoughtful response to that document, can I ask if you have actually read it thoroughly and why you think it constitutes good evidence against vaccination? Perhaps point me to the studies you find most convincing and we can discuss those, as there are a lot there that are very easy to dismiss as irrelevant. In fact, the more abstracts that I read, the more I think that despite the claim that the studies were "painstakingly collected", the writer/s actually just picked a bunch of studies that had scary-sounding names and didn't even bother to read the abstracts properly, as I've read about 15 now and not one makes a single claim of evidence that vaccines are unsafe. Some literally state the opposite.



 
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