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Old Jan 6th, 2012, 17:59 PM   51
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All I can see here really is that those of us in the UK where the NHS is a fair system do not believe in circumcision. Whereas those who are in countries that work with insurance and having to pay for health care seem to agree with circumcision more. I wonder if this is because those countries promote it more, making it seem correct because really its just another way to get money off people. Same as all the OB appointments you have and getting your cervix checked during pregnancy. We dont have that here. Im assuming you have to pay for it? Same as anti sickness meds arent often given out here. Where as they are quite common in America/Canada- where you have to pay for them. In America you get your HCG numbers given automatically where as we dont. You pay for this appointment? Epidurals arent as easilly offered here (becoming easier and more common ok) but no where near as easily and readily available as in America- where you have to pay for it. Does anyone see my point?

I wrote this before being corrected on the fact that in canada health care is free



 
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Old Jan 6th, 2012, 18:01 PM   52
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I posted before I saw all of the crazy responses on here. It's a sensitive topic. At the end of the day...theres no need to get upset with people on here for saying what they believe. Circumsicion or no circumsicion...who cares. It's about our own personal beliefs, what we want for our children...circumsizing is NOT wrong, and NOT cruel...to say that we might as well start circumsizing our daughters and cutting off there breasts is COMPLETELY uncalled for and ridiculous!!! But I live in Canada...and I guess we are quite a liberal country...therefore it's accepted more...and actually quite common here. At the end of the day...it's simply a personal decision.
*speaking in a calm voice not to, God forbid, offend anyone*
1) WHy do you think it's not cruel when you are cutting off an absolutely natural part of your baby? How is it not mutilation? Def: Mutilation or maiming is an act of physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body, usually without causing death.
2) this STOPPED being a personal opinion once we were ASKED to express our opinions on this matter.



 
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All I can see here really is that those of us in the UK where the NHS is a fair system do not believe in circumcision. Whereas those who are in countries that work with insurance and having to pay for health care seem to agree with circumcision more. I wonder if this is because those countries promote it more, making it seem correct because really its just another way to get money off people. Same as all the OB appointments you have and getting your cervix checked during pregnancy. We dont have that here. Im assuming you have to pay for it? Same as anti sickness meds arent often given out here. Where as they are quite common in America/Canada- where you have to pay for them. In America you get your HCG numbers given automatically where as we dont. You pay for this appointment? Epidurals arent as easilly offered here (becoming easier and more common ok) but no where near as easily and readily available as in America- where you have to pay for it. Does anyone see my point?
In Canada, we don't have to pay for them. Health care is free

* I am with you on the original topic though



 
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Old Jan 6th, 2012, 18:05 PM   54
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All I can see here really is that those of us in the UK where the NHS is a fair system do not believe in circumcision. Whereas those who are in countries that work with insurance and having to pay for health care seem to agree with circumcision more. I wonder if this is because those countries promote it more, making it seem correct because really its just another way to get money off people. Same as all the OB appointments you have and getting your cervix checked during pregnancy. We dont have that here. Im assuming you have to pay for it? Same as anti sickness meds arent often given out here. Where as they are quite common in America/Canada- where you have to pay for them. In America you get your HCG numbers given automatically where as we dont. You pay for this appointment? Epidurals arent as easilly offered here (becoming easier and more common ok) but no where near as easily and readily available as in America- where you have to pay for it. Does anyone see my point?
Canada and America have COMPLETELY different healthcare systems and operate differently. We don't have to pay for anything! Thank God! As for the OB appt's and pelvic exams and anti-nausea meds, and epidurals...it goes by a "Case-by-case" policy. I was high risk with my last pregnancy so I HAD very close attention...and thankfully the turnout was great. This doesn't happen with every woman though...just depends on the situation and if the woman is deemed high risk or not. There's pro's and cons to every healthcare system around the world right?



 
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If your aim is poor, try rolling back your foreskin a tiny bit, improves the aim Then wipe and replace foreskin, which actually protects from any nasties getting up the eye... just one of the BENEFITS of having a foreskin.

You think foreskins are ugly? I think labia are ugly, why dont we cut bits of them off with minimal anaethestic at birth... Oh HANG ON thats called Female Circumcision and is illegal... but yet boys dont get human right and are subjected to having bits of themselves removed for no good reason!

FGM (or female circumcision) comes in 4 forms, the first and most common being the removal of the clitoral hood, which is almost IDENTICAL to your 'normal' male circumcision. So dont kid yourself that they are worlds apart, they are not.

The reason people get so UPSET about circumcision even though 'its not your kid why do you care?' is because its a HUMAN BEING that cannot speak for itself or defend itself. We should always stand up for innocents that cannot defend themselves. Or we wouldnt be humane.
THANK YOU! I agree 100% on everything you said!



 
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Old Jan 6th, 2012, 18:08 PM   56
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I posted before I saw all of the crazy responses on here. It's a sensitive topic. At the end of the day...theres no need to get upset with people on here for saying what they believe. Circumsicion or no circumsicion...who cares. It's about our own personal beliefs, what we want for our children...circumsizing is NOT wrong, and NOT cruel...to say that we might as well start circumsizing our daughters and cutting off there breasts is COMPLETELY uncalled for and ridiculous!!! But I live in Canada...and I guess we are quite a liberal country...therefore it's accepted more...and actually quite common here. At the end of the day...it's simply a personal decision.
*speaking in a calm voice not to, God forbid, offend anyone*
1) WHy do you think it's not cruel when you are cutting off an absolutely natural part of your baby? How is it not mutilation? Def: Mutilation or maiming is an act of physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body, usually without causing death.
2) this STOPPED being a personal opinion once we were ASKED to express our opinions on this matter.
Well isn't this the whole topic that has been argued about for years now? Its not really worth me defending as we obviously have 2 very different opinions...which is totally fine It's just that it's a personal choice...and it's MY baby (like another poster said) and I have already gone through it with my son. I know what to expect now. That's all. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes...but like you said...we've been asked to express our opinions right?
Don't worry I don't get offended easily.



 
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Old Jan 6th, 2012, 18:09 PM   57
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If your aim is poor, try rolling back your foreskin a tiny bit, improves the aim Then wipe and replace foreskin, which actually protects from any nasties getting up the eye... just one of the BENEFITS of having a foreskin.

You think foreskins are ugly? I think labia are ugly, why dont we cut bits of them off with minimal anaethestic at birth... Oh HANG ON thats called Female Circumcision and is illegal... but yet boys dont get human right and are subjected to having bits of themselves removed for no good reason!

FGM (or female circumcision) comes in 4 forms, the first and most common being the removal of the clitoral hood, which is almost IDENTICAL to your 'normal' male circumcision. So dont kid yourself that they are worlds apart, they are not.

The reason people get so UPSET about circumcision even though 'its not your kid why do you care?' is because its a HUMAN BEING that cannot speak for itself or defend itself. We should always stand up for innocents that cannot defend themselves. Or we wouldnt be humane.
No one can argue with this



 
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Old Jan 6th, 2012, 18:10 PM   58
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I would NOT by choice but we have been told my son needs to be because of medical reasons . I am dreading when the hospital appointment comes! i just dont see why people would decide to do this for no reason, my o/h hates the idea of our son having to have it done. He says he couldnt imagine not having a fore skin and just to add ( he has no problems cleaning it like some have said!!!)



 
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Old Jan 6th, 2012, 18:13 PM   59
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I posted before I saw all of the crazy responses on here. It's a sensitive topic. At the end of the day...theres no need to get upset with people on here for saying what they believe. Circumsicion or no circumsicion...who cares. It's about our own personal beliefs, what we want for our children...circumsizing is NOT wrong, and NOT cruel...to say that we might as well start circumsizing our daughters and cutting off there breasts is COMPLETELY uncalled for and ridiculous!!! But I live in Canada...and I guess we are quite a liberal country...therefore it's accepted more...and actually quite common here. At the end of the day...it's simply a personal decision.
I wasn't meaning to be offensive with the breast comment.
My point was simply that I find a lot of people who support circumcision tend to cite the reasoning as a preventative measure against the possiblity of an infection down the road.
These infections are not common and generally not fatal or overly difficult to treat, so I don't find this a good reason and if we are going to remove foreskins for this reason, then don't we remove other body parts for future prevention of infections/sickness?

I am also in Canada. I'd say in my age group 50% of the men I know are circumcized and 50% aren't. But that number appears to be going down as most of my friends who have boys did not circumsize them.
In my part of the country, you have to pay for a circumcision, and it is very difficult to find a doctor willing to do it here.

Again, I think it's each parent's choice but I wish that more parents would choose to educate themselves before making a blind decision. If you've done your research and educated yourself and you still believe that circumcision is the answer, then at least you've done your due diligence and are making an informed decision.



 
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All I can see here really is that those of us in the UK where the NHS is a fair system do not believe in circumcision. Whereas those who are in countries that work with insurance and having to pay for health care seem to agree with circumcision more. I wonder if this is because those countries promote it more, making it seem correct because really its just another way to get money off people. Same as all the OB appointments you have and getting your cervix checked during pregnancy. We dont have that here. Im assuming you have to pay for it? Same as anti sickness meds arent often given out here. Where as they are quite common in America/Canada- where you have to pay for them. In America you get your HCG numbers given automatically where as we dont. You pay for this appointment? Epidurals arent as easilly offered here (becoming easier and more common ok) but no where near as easily and readily available as in America- where you have to pay for it. Does anyone see my point?

I wrote this before being corrected on the fact that in canada health care is free
I live in the US and I did not get hcg numbers, nor do I get my cervix checked at my appointments. For the women who go to their appointments and this does happen, they are not paying an extra fee to get these things done. I did not want extra services like that, and I was not asked. It is a fight to get anti nausea medication, that is for sure.



 
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