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Old Sep 7th, 2012, 23:03 PM   1
MalaMae
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Anyone NATURAL ttc #1 for 2 years, zero BFP and all results good, no health issues?


Hi,

I was wondering if there are girls ttc # 1 for more than 2 years, that never had BFP, where all test results were good and were diagnosed with unexplained infertility?

We have been trying for 26 months now. DH results are amazing. Mine were great too, except for the low AMH (6 pmol/l). Was going to a FS, but became so stressful, so we had to stop and relax.
I'm taking a lot of supplemenets (prenatals, Maca, CoQ10, Omega, Primrose Oil, Vit. C, E and B-Complex, and Royal Jelly). I'm about to get Pre-seed and softcups as well.
Since our results are good, we want natural ttc.

Anyone wants to share her similar story? How are you coping after more than 2 years of ttc with no BFP? What do you do to relax?
Share your story, knowledge, maybe we'll help each other.



 
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 05:47 AM   2
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We are on month 29/30 of ttc number 1 (started trying in April 2010).

I visited my gp after about 9 months of trying and he was happy to run bloods, which all came back fine. Well actually, I had to have a couple re-done, but once was because the lab had lost it, or something had happened to it any way, and the other was because the progesterone was borderline, but the next time it was fine, so was probably more to do with the timing of the blood test within my cycle.

He'd also advised for OH to have SA but he was reluctant, so this didn't actually get done until December last year. This came back fine.

Once SA came back fine, I visited my gp again (different one this time). She really listened to my concerns and did an internal exam there and then to rule out certain things. She also did a swab for infections whilst she was 'in there' and these also came back fine. As agreed in the consultation, because all was normal, she referred me to FS.

I had my first FS appointment early April and was disappointed to meet with a fertility nurse rather than consultant. However, she was very thorough with questioning and seemed delighted that I'd taken along all my test results etc. which she sifted through there and then; apparently this saved some time as they'd have had to request them from my gp. She was in agreement that there was nothing amiss from the test results so talked me through the next steps. She said they'd like to run their own bloods and also carry out a few more blood tests than gp would have ordered. She also said I would have an ultrasound scan and dildo-cam to check out the general situation 'in there', and that I'd receive appointments for those. An appointment would also be booked for me with FS (consultant this time) for once it was all done, whereupon, if no conculsive results from any investigations, I'd likely be referred for IVF.

Well I had the blood tests done and when I phoned the gp they confirmed that they were fine. I had the scans done and the sonographer confirmed that she could see nothing amiss.

Oh, one other thing, the FS nurse said OH would have to do another SA just as it was procedure to have 2. He did this over 3 weeks back now and my gp still doesn't appear to have the results. Fingers crossed it's normal again as they other one was comfortably within normal ranges.

So my FS appointment that I was told would be booked back in April is actually this Tuesday. 5 and a bit months - what a long wait!

I have mixed feelings about the appointment. On the one hand it feels like we're moving forward, but on the other I'm disappointed that it may come down to IVF in the end and also I'm concerned that they haven't carried out all the investigations they could have. I'm going to mention hsg/lap and dye/hysteroscopy to them and see what they say. I don't want for them to agree to those but I have to wait several months for them to be performed and for me to get a follow-up appointment. But equally, if something can be 'fixed' and we can conceive naturally as a result, surely that would be better. OH's SA was done through the hospital I'm attending, so I'll find out on Tuesday if that came back ok as well. Also, it seems daft to proceed with IVF which could fail if there's something not right which they could have picked up on.

I'm currently receiving acupuncture treatment for fertility and am in my 2nd cycle of that. I also take pre-natal vitamins and have been watching my diet carefully to try and improve egg quality, increase CM, increase chances of implantation etc. This month I've been taking baby asprin post ov as well.

So that's me! Watch this space really as things start to move forward.



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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 09:11 AM   3
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Hi Sizzles,

With FS everything is kind of prolonged, a drag. It's great to hear everything is fine.
I always say, if everything is ok and we still haven't concived then all tests haven't been done. there has to be something.

I did sonohysterography- it came out good.

Keep me posted with FS and the tests.



 
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 14:30 PM   4
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Hi Sizzles,

I always say, if everything is ok and we still haven't concived then all tests haven't been done. there has to be something.
The problem is that doctors don't know all there is to know about reproduction. So there may be several things wrong that they don't understand and that they don't have a test for. So, heartbreaking as it is, many of us will never have an explanation as to why we cannot conceive.



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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 17:03 PM   5
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Hi ladies! You can see in my siggy my story. But after tttc #1 qfor almost two years And no explanation as why we hadn't gotten pg , dh SA was great, I had blood work, post coital test, hsg, numerous u/s and tried clomid. Everything looked fine! My doctor wanted to do a laparoscopy to check for endometrioisis (even though I had no symptoms). He could see on u/s that I had one forbid that he would take doing a hysteroscopy at the same time as the lap since he was going in there anyway (he said this should not be preventing me from getting pg). While preforming the lap he found stage 3 endo! Ugh...

So after having surgery we tried doing 4 iui's with clomid and trigger shot and still no BFP! We decided to move on to ivf and are waiting to find out if it worked... I did not respond to the medicine as my doctor expected and he doesn't know why at this point. So we will have to see. I didn't produce very many eggs so there was nothing left to freeze for another try if this doesn't work.

I am inclined to agree with MalaMae that if they cant find anything wrong then the right tests haven't been done. Until you do some of these other more invasive procedures there are still very many unknowns about your reproductive process that are unknown. And unfortunately going through ivf doesn't tell them everything.

I don't mean to be a downer... There is plenty that your RE can do to investigate what's going in and try to provide some answers. I would also say that sometimes even with iui or ivf multiple tries are neede because it can be a trial and error process. But I do believe in the process and know it will happen!!

Good luck!!



 
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 23:16 PM   6
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Hi tlm and lawgirl,

Lawgirl, I believe that womens reproductive system is still not completely researched and explained.

Tlm, my first obgyn wanted to do lap as a first test, before doing any other test. i'm pretty much againest any kind of operation, even a small one as lap. for me the body is perfectly sealed object and with operations it is opened to infections etc. But nevertheless, I would have considered lap if he did the other tests, but he was an old stubron man and didn't want to change his way.
Now after 2 years, I would do a lap, since we already had the other tests and all came fine. Maybe the doctor was right and I shoulfd have done it, but that's past, and I wouldn't be surprised if I have endo too.
The FS that we went to after this doctor, never saw anything on ultrasound, she even said that I have beautiful uterus (!), but I'm not going there anymore. Wea re changing the FS now.



 
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Old Sep 21st, 2012, 05:01 AM   7
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Hi ladies... Hope you don't mind me joining this thread... But I'm in a similar boat...

DB is 42 and I'm 36.
We got together just over 2 years ago and have not been using protection pretty much from the start (been friends for years before that...)

By the time we had got to 6 months of many close calls and nothing had happened by accident I got concerned. I mentioned it to gp and she suggest back then I have 21 day blood done. All came back ok.

Db and I talked more and cos he was a smoker back then he thought it might be his fault... So he went for a SA and that came back fine. We moved to a new house and decided to stop smoking. That was over a year ago.

We went back to gp for db results and he suggested referring us to clinic. They suggested all the bloods again and another SA. All ok... One blood was a bit iffy but like someone mentioned before it was prob timing.
They scheduled me for HSG and dildocam at same time. All clear except for small fibroid which is nothing to worry about apparently?!
When I went back again they said I could try the lap or clomid. She didn't think the clomid would make a diff as I appear to be ovulating anyway... But I was nervous of the lap considering I don't appear to have any end or other symptoms??!
So I've just completed my third round of clomid 50mg and still no bfp! All of this has taken place over the course of about the last year or so.

So I've contacted the clinic again and I have a follow up apt in Oct if this cycle doesn't work. I'm not sure what they'll suggest or what the next step will be... But reading this I'm considering the lap "just in case" there is something going on..

Would appreciate any feedback or suggestions...
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Old Sep 21st, 2012, 05:16 AM   8
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Hi Sizzles,

Keep me posted with FS and the tests.
FS appointment was fine. Just a chat really, which confirmed that mine and OH's tests were all fine. He said that they are very strict with ivf referrals, so won't refer until the new year (I came off the pill in the December, but we didn't start ttc until April).

I asked about other tests and he said that since we have a few months to wait for a referral, they could do an hsg in the meantime to check the tubes, so that's what I'm doing. He wouldn't contemplate a lap and dye of hysteroscopy as he said there was 'no point': weird! Basically the thinking is that they'd really rather not be too invasive when ivf is this close as that is their preferred route to bfp. I kind of don't understand why they wouldn't investigate everything first, but I'm happy enough to be having the hsg. This is scheduled for Tuesday and I'm strangely excited by it as I think I'm getting my hopes up that I'll be one of the lucky ones for whom a bfp comes along within that all important 3 months following the procedure. Of course this would be ace as it'll negate the need for ivf. Also, I feel that if we do need ivf, the renewed hope will keep me going - I'm in theory more likely to have a bfp from this cycle until December now, so if no bfp by then, hopefully the referral letter will arrive shortly after.

G & T - personally I'd have the lap, but as you can see from my comments above, I'm happy to have any procedures that rule out problems, or pick up on those which can be treated. I was half expecting them to want to put my on clomid, but there was no mention of it, which I was pleased about as everything suggests I ov ok too, which I guess is why they didn't bother. Lots of luck to you!



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Old Sep 21st, 2012, 07:12 AM   9
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Sizzles - I think you are right... at first I didnt want to because back then I was hoping that I would fall after the HSG! It really is exciting after you have it done and a lot of women do fall.... so back then surgery seemed extreme especially as she admitted I have no real signs or indications that I have endometriosis or anythng like that...

I will see whether they want to refer me for one when I see them in october but I think I remember her saying the waiting list is quite long so I wont get my hopes up just yet. They may offer me higher dose of clomid until then..?

I am also going to consider the acupuncture, as luckily I am seeing a chiropractor for my back and he does acupuncture as well and I asked whether he'd consider treating me for fertility as well, and he said he can def do it! So i'm also seeing him again in october.

thanks for all your feedback ladies... nice to have a few in the same boat - i find that whilst reading others feedback is helpful and useful, often the ladies out there have either had a baby or had a BFP at some point...

chat soon
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Old Sep 21st, 2012, 09:49 AM   10
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Hi Guys,

Can I join? We're on cycle 31 now. Not even a hint of a BFP. I've had three loads of day 21 bloods all normal, day 3 normal although generally I slightly high prolactin and lowish AMH but both apparently nothing to be concerned about.

Husbands SA came back above normal and I had a lap/dye/hys at the beginning of the year and that was all perfect so we are firmly in the 'unexplained'.

I started accupunture 2 months and I think its helping, my BBT temps are a little better and last cycle I didn't have any spotting which I normally do but no luck yet.

Its really hard, close friends are pregnant with their second children after starting trying after us and we are still no where near our first.

g_and_t - I would have the lap, its not that bad and its good to know for certain if everything is okay.



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