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Old May 1st, 2013, 14:52 PM   191
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hey spockette Yes Soy is being called a natural clomid - no scientific evidence to back it up but so many success stories it's worth a try! I'm so happy with the results of this it give me knew hope! I tried Soy before and took far too high a dose for someone who O's on their own and i think i over stimulated on it as i bled from O - AF. This lower dose of 80mg has really worked and i'm so happy right now x Good luck next week hopefully they will give you clomid straight away and you won't have to go through with the soy xx

I have saved the document i got my info from so if you don't get clomid and do decide to give it a go i'll post it for you x
Thanks hon. The info document would be great.

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Old May 2nd, 2013, 00:31 AM   192
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I'm so glad that soy worked for you shells!!! And hopefully the new FS will put you on clomid so it will work even better I tried soy a couple cycles ago and it actually made my LP shorter by a day :/ so I think I'll steer clear of it for now!

Has anyone ever had a prolactin test?? I am having one on Friday- apparently the symptoms of high prolactin are leaky boobs, low progesterone and a short LP....



 
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 05:58 AM   193
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Hi Bluebird

How you doing hon? I have never had the Prolactin test but I know leaky boobs are a big giveaway. Do you have this symptom? Really hope you get some answers

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Old May 2nd, 2013, 11:35 AM   194
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Ok here's the info i have - remember this doesn't suit everyone and only take a low dose if your O'ing on your own! 80mg was perfect for me on CD3-7 x

WHEN should you take soy?
You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on either CD 1-5, 2-6, 3-7, 4-8 or 5-9.
If you take soy Isoflavones during the later time bracket, for example CD 5-9, you shall strengthen the egg that has already started growing producing a healthier egg. The earlier in your cycle you take It, the higher your chance of releasing multiple eggs but these eggs will not be as mature as the eggs grown from taking Soy later.�
A lot of women will choose the middle cycle (3 -7) allowing time for a strong and healthy egg to develop without erasing the chance of a second egg being developed and released.

1-5 = You produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = You produce more eggs than usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be a lot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

What DOSAGE should you take?
The dose is really�up to you but you should always use the lowest amount that works for you.
With Clomid the starting dose is 50mg. Soy Isoflavones are said to be half the strength of Clomid, so it makes sense for the starting dose to be 100mg.
The trouble with 100mg of soy is that the capsules tend to come as 40mg. So you have a choice of starting at 80mg or 120mg.

I would recommend that if you know that you do ovulate without taking soy then you should start with 80mg.
And if you know that you don't usually ovulate you can start with 120mg.
Some women change the dose on different days. So they may start at 120mg for the first 3 days then give an extra boost for the last 2 days with 160mg.�

Use the lowest dose possible for yourself. It is said that it takes 3months to get the full benefits of what you are taking. NEVER EXCEED 200mg/day.




 
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 12:52 PM   195
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Ok here's the info i have - remember this doesn't suit everyone and only take a low dose if your O'ing on your own! 80mg was perfect for me on CD3-7 x

WHEN should you take soy?
You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on either CD 1-5, 2-6, 3-7, 4-8 or 5-9.
If you take soy Isoflavones during the later time bracket, for example CD 5-9, you shall strengthen the egg that has already started growing producing a healthier egg. The earlier in your cycle you take It, the higher your chance of releasing multiple eggs but these eggs will not be as mature as the eggs grown from taking Soy later.�
A lot of women will choose the middle cycle (3 -7) allowing time for a strong and healthy egg to develop without erasing the chance of a second egg being developed and released.

1-5 = You produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = You produce more eggs than usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be a lot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

What DOSAGE should you take?
The dose is really�up to you but you should always use the lowest amount that works for you.
With Clomid the starting dose is 50mg. Soy Isoflavones are said to be half the strength of Clomid, so it makes sense for the starting dose to be 100mg.
The trouble with 100mg of soy is that the capsules tend to come as 40mg. So you have a choice of starting at 80mg or 120mg.

I would recommend that if you know that you do ovulate without taking soy then you should start with 80mg.
And if you know that you don't usually ovulate you can start with 120mg.
Some women change the dose on different days. So they may start at 120mg for the first 3 days then give an extra boost for the last 2 days with 160mg.�

Use the lowest dose possible for yourself. It is said that it takes 3months to get the full benefits of what you are taking. NEVER EXCEED 200mg/day.

Brilliant Shells

Thanks for all this info. Really useful xxxx



 
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Hi Bluebird

How you doing hon? I have never had the Prolactin test but I know leaky boobs are a big giveaway. Do you have this symptom? Really hope you get some answers

Xxxx
I do, they have been leaky since I weaned my daughter over year ago. It never occurred to me that it could by a symptom/problem!!



 
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Hi Girls, i hope you don't mind me joining in with this thread.

Bluebird I have a 9 day LP and I was tested for Prolactin and it was found to be about twice its recommended level on 3 seperate occasions, my Endo has just started me on Bromocriptine to lower my levels. He said my high prolactin is the reason for my LPD and that the Bromo should sort it out so that I am able to conceive. Hope this helps.



 
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Bluebird, it sucks that you have this issue but at least it can be fixed

Hi Bea

Welcome to the Luteal Phase Defect posse!! Can I just asked.....Did you have leaky boobs too? Wondering if its something I have but with no leakage.......

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Hi Spockette
I didn't have leaky boobs at all. The only reason I found out about my high prolactin was that my gp ran various blood tests when we couldn't conceive. My main worry was my short LP and he told me that high prolactin can cause delayed or no ovulation and also low progesterone which makes your LP shorter.
I'm just starting the meds so I am hoping to see a slightly longer LP next month.
Have you tried vit B complex or vitex?



 
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Hi Spockette
I didn't have leaky boobs at all. The only reason I found out about my high prolactin was that my gp ran various blood tests when we couldn't conceive. My main worry was my short LP and he told me that high prolactin can cause delayed or no ovulation and also low progesterone which makes your LP shorter.
I'm just starting the meds so I am hoping to see a slightly longer LP next month.
Have you tried vit B complex or vitex?
Thanks hon. You see, my prog is fine and i have regular periods.
Yes, I am on B6 which has lengthened my Luteal Phase by a day. Im on 50mg and take one a day. For some ladies it helps and others it doesn't. If you do start taking it I would start off with a low dose first

Good luck and keep us posted xxxxx



 
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