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Old Jul 15th, 2016, 15:49 PM   21
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Hi ladies
I also have the endo burden in my life.
I saw this post and thought to share one thing that I have changed in my life that has really helped with the symptoms of endo... and its diet. It is not an easy fix and takes commitment... I don't see it as a 'diet' but a change of lifestyle
It has not only made endo better but I am a lot healthier, have more energy and my body has throughout several years come down to the weight I am naturally supposed to be...
The below is a copy and paste from a journal I started writing... Of course if you are trying TTC do talk to your doctor if you are making drastic changes on your current diet...
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THE BASICS TO MY DIET

After being diagnosed with Endometriosis stage 2 following a laparoscopic operation I found out information on how your diet can help prevent Endometriosis lesions and the pain from coming back. *I decided to give it a good go. The key for it working being to see it as a change of lifestyle and not a diet. In order to accomplish this I had to find food that I enjoy eating to have on a daily basis but did tell myself that at times, whether a treat at the weekend, going to someone's house or out for dinner, I will have small amounts of "forbidden" food.

In a nutshell, these are some lists on foods to avoid and foods that you benefit from in this "diet":

Should eat:

Good sources of fiber (decrease circulating estrogen):
Whole grains
Beans, peas, legumes
Brown Rice
Vegetables and fruits
Oatmeal

Modulate estrogen (one or two servings a day recommended):
Mustard greens
Dark green veg
Broccoli
Cabbage

Stimulate the good prostaglandin production:
Oily fish
Walnut oil
Pumpkin seeds
Dark green leafy veg
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Good foods for immune system:
Beans, peas, lentils
Onions
Garlic
Carrots
Live yogurt (good for intestinal flora)
Rhubarb
Seed and sprouted seeds
Ginger
Green Tea—boost immunity and expels dioxin from body

Hormone re-balancing:
Peas beans and legumes
Red and purple berries
Garlic
Apples
Parsley
Fennel
Cabbage, cauliflower
Nuts and seeds
Celery, carrots
Rhubarb

Good supplements: Magnesium, Zinc, Calcium, Iron,* Selenium, Vitamins B, C, A and E


Should Avoid

Wheat and refined flours (including breads, (specially white), cakes and pasta products as they contain phytic acid and gluten)
Red meats* (contain prostaglandins and growth hormones)
Refined sugars and non-organic honey
Caffeine* (is a phyto—estrogen) (avoid coffee, tea and soft drinks)
Chocolate (a little bit of very dark chocolate is fine)
Dairy produce (milk, cheese, butter and cream as they contain prostaglandins)
Eggs (only eat organic as they can contain the chemical residue of dioxin)
Fried foods (negative prostaglandins)
Saturated fats and oils (butter, margarine, lard)
Soy products and soy protein products
Convenience foods (contain additives)
Tinned foods (use sparingly—tinned tomatoes and coconut milk are some exceptions that are ok to use)
Additives and preservatives
Alcohol (consumes vitamin B which is stored in the liver. Good liver function is vital to eliminate excess estrogen)

DAILY SUBSTITUTES:
Some challenges were around finding substitutes to what would have been my basics: Pasta, rice, bread and milk.*
After some research I did find great substitutes that work for me, they have no empty calories, are highly nutritious and I enjoy eating:

*My pasta substitutes: Shirataki or Konjac noodles -*amazing source of protein and fiber but without carbohydrates and low in calories. Gluten free pasta - low in fat, sodium and sugar but high in iron. I personally much prefer the Shirataki noodles but the GF pasta is a good enough substitute when the noodles are a times hard to come by (I personally don't eat gluten free pasta as don't enjoy the texture)

*My rice substitutes: Quinoa - High in protein,*good source of*dietary fiber*and*phosphorus*and is high in*magnesium, calcium*and*iron. Buckwheat -*low in Saturated Fat, and very low in Cholesterol and Sodium. It is also a good source of Dietary Fiber, vitamin B, Magnesium, Copper, Manganese, Iron, Zinc Selenium, antioxidants and essential amino acids.

*My bread substitute: I used to eat Pumpernickel bread - rye bread high in fiber,*heart-healthy monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids, B vitamins, calcium and magnesium. In the last six months I have become gluten free which makes me feel better - I know eat Corn or Quinoa crispy bread.

*My milk substitute: Almond milk -*rich in nutrients including fiber, vitamin E, magnesium, selenium, manganese, zinc, potassium, iron, phosphorus, tryptophan, copper, and calcium. It also has no cholesterol. Yakult*(light)-*probiotic dairy product made by fermenting a mixture of skimmed milk with a special strain of the bacterium Lactobacillus casei. I have one of these in the morning which is good for the intestinal flora

Being now gluten free, I eat food that is naturally gluten free and not gluten free made products as the contain 'gums' to give them the right consistency that are not great for your health, plus a lot of gluten free made products have higher amounts of salt, sugar and other additives to make them tastier.

As the overall diet is quite high in fiber content, I do have to make a*conscious*effort to drink*plenty of water throughout the day.

I am not going to lie... to start with it's not easy... It takes a lot of will power and discipline (and hours of reading labels at the supermarket) until you find what works for you. Don't give up, it becomes a lot easier and it's truly worth it!



 
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Old Jul 16th, 2016, 02:09 AM   22
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Thanks stillhoping I am trying to enforce this diet but being Asian rice is our bread and butter. I have basmati rice which I heard is ok but with portion control. The hard think is when you go out for breakfast. Love my eggs but not sure if it is organic at the cafes. Once a week is too much you reckon?

I definitely felt better not having diary, beef and cutting down carbs!

Do you take any herbs as well?
Are you still ttc ?



 
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Old Jul 16th, 2016, 02:14 AM   23
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I just take Pamprin Max for the pain, and use Icy Hot patches on my back. I will actually start using the progesterone cream this cycle too, hopefully that helps some.

My cramping started yesterday and is still present. Usually I don't get cramps until day 3, super annoying! I see chocolate in my future.
Oh I am the same with chocolate but I try to portion control so I usually take a bite and chuck the rest in the bin out of fustration like a crazy lady.

Just want to ask you ladies what you think if dhea for endometriosis? I heard it is not good but others said they used it and helped.



 
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Old Jul 16th, 2016, 02:43 AM   24
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You made me laugh Unlucky41!... I know exactly what you mean! I am Spanish and giving up bread is one of the hardest thing I have ever done in my life!!
I think with the eggs, not knowing the source if it's only once a week it is ok... like with most things, it gets worse as it accumulates... I stick to my diet at home throughout the week but if I go out or are invited to someone's home for dinner, I just tell them I am gluten free and eat pretty much anything else I am served
With the chocolate, I am lucky I am not much of a sweet tooth although at times do feel like sweet stuff but not that often. I only keep 80%+ cocoa chocolate at home and have a square or two every other day. If i am really craving something sweet I have homemade icecream in the freezer that I make and sweeten using honey or raw stevia... or have a bowl of organic rice puffs with milk and honey... I have found that these 'tricks' work for me..

About dhea I haven't heard much... but being a hormone I wouldn't take it without expert advice specially if you are trying TTC

I am on my first round of IVF at the moment, first transfer TWW... I have my beta test this coming Wednesday... fingers x'ed! Only one embryo survived so none to freeze... One egg for one cycle is not a great stat but you never know... I am keeping positive

I used to go to a herbal doctor who specializes in fertility and take herbal tinctures twice a day together with some suplements. It really worked for me and helped the endo too but since starting the IVF treatment the doctors at the clinic preferred me to stop as they did not know if it could interfere with the treatment. If you are interested in what was in the tinctures I can have a look as I have it noted somewhere.

You have gone through a journey and a half!!! Best of luck with this second natural cycle... as you say... It only takes one egg!!!



 
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Old Jul 17th, 2016, 04:45 AM   25
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Still hoping I have tried herbs as well but the Chinese herbalist never gave any real details what they are giving you. Safe to say it didn't work took it for a while before my lap and never had a bfp with.

The journey of ivf. Best of luck for the first cycle one to transfer is nor a bad place to be. It is always a trial and error. We have 5 eggs no matured eggs my dreams were crushed for our first ivf. Keeping postive is good. It only takes one. Surely we can expect our bodies to produce one good egg!



 
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Old Jul 18th, 2016, 09:16 AM   26
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Thank you StillHoping for the food ideas. I've read up on treating endo with diet, but it can be pretty overwhelming. Your list helps simplify it quite a bit.

I know I'm in the habit of sharing tmi, but I'm super frustrated at the moment. I "started" my new cycle on Friday/ Saturday. Had cramping and all that other fun stuff with it. By the end of Saturday, nothing; Sunday, nothing. Today, no cramps or anything yet. I'm so sick of being irregular. I used to be able to tell you exactly what day it would fall on and exactly how the next 10 days of my life were going to go. But, for the past 6 months or so, it's been a different story.

I hope you all had a great weekend! We didn't do much, just hung around the house and got a few things done. I kind of like staying home though, I'm a bit of a homebody.



 
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Old Jul 19th, 2016, 03:30 AM   27
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Oh Jules, that's awful... I was reading earlier posts and saw that your periods last up to 10 days! I guess the only solution doctors would give you to regulate your periods would be to put you on the pill??

Have you tried Vitex? It's natural and one of the things it can help with is regulating periods ... plus many other things

Take care and be kind to yourself hun



 
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I just take Pamprin Max for the pain, and use Icy Hot patches on my back. I will actually start using the progesterone cream this cycle too, hopefully that helps some.

My cramping started yesterday and is still present. Usually I don't get cramps until day 3, super annoying! I see chocolate in my future.
Oh I am the same with chocolate but I try to portion control so I usually take a bite and chuck the rest in the bin out of fustration like a crazy lady.

Just want to ask you ladies what you think if dhea for endometriosis? I heard it is not good but others said they used it and helped.
I'm on DHEA hun. Not specifically for endometriosis, I had a bit of a stress breakdown and my doc prescribed it for chronic fatigue. He said it would also assist with my "polycystic tendancies". I feel great actually but not really certain if it has made a major difference endo wise. My LP was a one day longer last month and it is usually only 11 days so thats positive! But I am also on metformin and Vitamin d3



 
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Oh Jules, that's awful... I was reading earlier posts and saw that your periods last up to 10 days! I guess the only solution doctors would give you to regulate your periods would be to put you on the pill??

Have you tried Vitex? It's natural and one of the things it can help with is regulating periods ... plus many other things

Take care and be kind to yourself hun
Yep, 10 days. It's annoying, half my cycle the is harassing me.
You are the second person to suggest Vitex to me. Must be good stuff! I will look into it, anything to help with my periods/ endo. You're right, the only option my doctor will go for is the pill. But, he knows we want kids, so he's against that as well, even temporarily.

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I'm on DHEA hun. Not specifically for endometriosis, I had a bit of a stress breakdown and my doc prescribed it for chronic fatigue. He said it would also assist with my "polycystic tendancies". I feel great actually but not really certain if it has made a major difference endo wise. My LP was a one day longer last month and it is usually only 11 days so thats positive! But I am also on metformin and Vitamin d3
Interesting that he prescribed DHEA for chronic fatigue. I wish the doctors here would listen to me about that.
That's exciting that your LP was a day longer. Hopefully it keeps working, whatever it may be.



 
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It really could have been more towards my hormonal imbalance I suppose? He gave me so much information that daY I kind of just hoped DH was listening (he wasn't lol)



 
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