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Old Mar 12th, 2017, 12:31 PM   1
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How long to TTC naturally?


Husband (33) and I (32) have been ttc for a year and a half, diagnosis of unexplained infertility and I have never been pregnant ever. I've had a HSG, which was totally clear and all my labs look good. Husband did SA and all looks good too. For 2 months earlier this year, we took did the IUI, clomid, trigger shot and progesterone, only to lead to bfn each time. It was extremely hard on my emotionally and physically as I have mild ulcerative colitis and all the hormones or stress caused a flare up.

The only issue I can see is that I usually ovulate anywhere from cd 16 to 22 and my luteal phases are about 10 days without progesterone. My RE said we have about a 4% chance of conceiving naturally each month without the IUI but my GI doctor acted like that was crazy and that the RE was trying to scare us or something. This month we took a break from the IUI and I felt SO MUCH BETTER emotionally but today took a preg test and of course it is bfn. I just don't know how long we should try naturally or if it is pointless.

Anyone else in a similar situation or have thoughts about trying naturally when there is no diagnosis? I just feel like if they can't find anything WRONG, it is bound to work but that is likely just me being naive.




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Old Mar 12th, 2017, 16:24 PM   2
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Old Mar 14th, 2017, 09:28 AM   3
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Kjs we are in a similar situation. DH and i have been trying for 2 years next month and have been diagnosed with unexplained infertility. I am going for my second HSG this friday, and if my tubes are clear we will be moving on to IUI this summer. I am so nervous that it wont work. Unexplained is so frustrating. sometimes i wish I actually had a problem that they could at least try to fix. But at this point everyone just shrugs and tells us to keep trying...



 
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Old Mar 15th, 2017, 16:33 PM   4
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Hi! I am sorry to hear you are in a similar boat: unexplained infertility. We have been trying for 3.5 years, just finished our 2nd IUI with BFN.
My advice to you is to do what you think is best. If this process is really stressing you out that much, take a break. I took a year off everything-timing, strips, doctors, labs. It was what I needed. We didn't get pregnant, but it made me so happy to not think about it. I feel much more ready now to take on whats next.
I cannot speak to the homeopathic methods, as I personally have not tried them, nor will I, but you should understand medicine is not always known. You and I may have something wrong that they do not understand or have not found yet. OR we have nothing wrong with us at all! Either way, you need to do what is best for your sanity and enjoy your life in the process (i know easier said than done!)
I do think those stats are pretty on for unexplained infertility (4%). It is low for those diagnosed, but as in all statistics, you must take those with a grain of salt. (and personally, I do not want to be just a statistic!) Yes, normal couples without a diagnosis is I believe closer to the 20%, but we are in a realm of unexplained, which has much lower success rates of those who have been studied. Just remember, science is always changing and they don't have stats on many of those before us (mothers, grandmothers, etc.) Keep having faith and moving forward. Break when you need. I hope this helps and if it doesn't, then thats ok too. I don't wish this diagnosis on my worst enemy, and no one will understand what we are going through. I wish the best for you and hope you have success soon!



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Old Mar 20th, 2017, 03:00 AM   5
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So sorry you're going through this My DH and I were also diagnosed unexplained infertility and we ended up going through 6 IUIs (all BFNs btw!) and 2 IVFs before conceiving our son last year. He's 5 months old now and was totally worth it!

Yeah, trying for 1½ years at age 32 does mean your chances are around 6-7% I'd guess based on this chart (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-pregnant.html). Unexplained infertility doesn't mean there isn't an issue, it just means they don't know what the issue is. An RE explained to me once that there's so much involved in concepton that they don't yet know about so they can't test for factors they're unaware of. But it's perfectly fine for you to take breaks between trying assisted conception events! However I'd try and just take things easy, go NTNP and just see what happens. Try and agree with your DH how long you want to keep trying naturally this time and how far you're willing to go when it comes to assisted conception e.g. would you be willing to try IVF, how many times, would donor eggs/sperm be an option should it come to that.

lisap2008 to educate you, unexplained infertility doesn't mean nothing is wrong because there clearly is when a couple haven't been able to conceive after 12-18 months! Unexplained just means they can't find the issue, not that there isn't one! REs can't test for everything as they don't yet have the ability to and there so much to conception that there's lots of things they don't know to test for yet because certain things are still unknown. Oh and chances don't keep on being 20% for an eternity, as you age and keep trying, chances go down as you can see from the chart I shared above. So yeah, please don't keep spreading the ignorance!



 
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Old Mar 20th, 2017, 03:04 AM   6
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So sorry you're going through this My DH and I were also diagnosed unexplained infertility and we ended up going through 6 IUIs (all BFNs btw!) and 2 IVFs before conceiving our son last year. He's 5 months old now and was totally worth it!

Yeah, trying for 1½ years at age 32 does mean your chances are around 6-7% I'd guess based on this chart (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-pregnant.html). Unexplained infertility doesn't mean there isn't an issue, it just means they don't know what the issue is. An RE explained to me once that there's so much involved in concepton that they don't yet know about so they can't test for factors they're unaware of. But it's perfectly fine for you to take breaks between trying assisted conception events! However I'd try and just take things easy, go NTNP and just see what happens. Try and agree with your DH how long you want to keep trying naturally this time and how far you're willing to go when it comes to assisted conception e.g. would you be willing to try IVF, how many times, would donor eggs/sperm be an option should it come to that.

lisap2008 to educate you, unexplained infertility doesn't mean nothing is wrong because there clearly is when a couple haven't been able to conceive after 12-18 months! Unexplained just means they can't find the issue, not that there isn't one! REs can't test for everything as they don't yet have the ability to and there so much to conception that there's lots of things they don't know to test for yet because certain things are still unknown. Oh and chances don't keep on being 20% for an eternity, as you age and keep trying, chances go down as you can see from the chart I shared above. So yeah, please don't keep spreading the ignorance!
according to that i have less than a 2% chance.... 9+yrs at 31yrs old. Sounds about right.



 
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So sorry you're going through this My DH and I were also diagnosed unexplained infertility and we ended up going through 6 IUIs (all BFNs btw!) and 2 IVFs before conceiving our son last year. He's 5 months old now and was totally worth it!

Yeah, trying for 1½ years at age 32 does mean your chances are around 6-7% I'd guess based on this chart (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-pregnant.html). Unexplained infertility doesn't mean there isn't an issue, it just means they don't know what the issue is. An RE explained to me once that there's so much involved in concepton that they don't yet know about so they can't test for factors they're unaware of. But it's perfectly fine for you to take breaks between trying assisted conception events! However I'd try and just take things easy, go NTNP and just see what happens. Try and agree with your DH how long you want to keep trying naturally this time and how far you're willing to go when it comes to assisted conception e.g. would you be willing to try IVF, how many times, would donor eggs/sperm be an option should it come to that.

lisap2008 to educate you, unexplained infertility doesn't mean nothing is wrong because there clearly is when a couple haven't been able to conceive after 12-18 months! Unexplained just means they can't find the issue, not that there isn't one! REs can't test for everything as they don't yet have the ability to and there so much to conception that there's lots of things they don't know to test for yet because certain things are still unknown. Oh and chances don't keep on being 20% for an eternity, as you age and keep trying, chances go down as you can see from the chart I shared above. So yeah, please don't keep spreading the ignorance!
I was only trying to help and no I did not mean that there is nothing wrong, I meant and said that with the fact the RE cant pinpoint an issue I think its wise to get a different opinion and its a scare tactic to give her such a low chance when he cant find anything wrong, usually doctors say this so they can push IVF. So please save your educate yourself comment for yourself I have been TTC for 9 years and am well educated, I am well aware that chances go down with age. But sometimes yes it takes years for couples to conceive with nothing wrong , perhaps you should educate yourself on not insulting others based on having a different opinion!.



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So sorry you're going through this My DH and I were also diagnosed unexplained infertility and we ended up going through 6 IUIs (all BFNs btw!) and 2 IVFs before conceiving our son last year. He's 5 months old now and was totally worth it!

Yeah, trying for 1½ years at age 32 does mean your chances are around 6-7% I'd guess based on this chart (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-pregnant.html). Unexplained infertility doesn't mean there isn't an issue, it just means they don't know what the issue is. An RE explained to me once that there's so much involved in concepton that they don't yet know about so they can't test for factors they're unaware of. But it's perfectly fine for you to take breaks between trying assisted conception events! However I'd try and just take things easy, go NTNP and just see what happens. Try and agree with your DH how long you want to keep trying naturally this time and how far you're willing to go when it comes to assisted conception e.g. would you be willing to try IVF, how many times, would donor eggs/sperm be an option should it come to that.

lisap2008 to educate you, unexplained infertility doesn't mean nothing is wrong because there clearly is when a couple haven't been able to conceive after 12-18 months! Unexplained just means they can't find the issue, not that there isn't one! REs can't test for everything as they don't yet have the ability to and there so much to conception that there's lots of things they don't know to test for yet because certain things are still unknown. Oh and chances don't keep on being 20% for an eternity, as you age and keep trying, chances go down as you can see from the chart I shared above. So yeah, please don't keep spreading the ignorance!
I was only trying to help and no I did not mean that there is nothing wrong, I meant and said that with the fact the RE cant pinpoint an issue I think its wise to get a different opinion and its a scare tactic to give her such a low chance when he cant find anything wrong, usually doctors say this so they can push IVF. So please save your educate yourself comment for yourself I have been TTC for 9 years and am well educated, I am well aware that chances go down with age. But sometimes yes it takes years for couples to conceive with nothing wrong , perhaps you should educate yourself on not insulting others based on having a different opinion!.
Unexplained infertility still doesn't mean that there's nothing wrong. I don't know why you think that? It just means they can't find the problem. That's not opinion, that's fact! And yes, that's pretty much what you said but it's hard to discuss it since you've removed your original comment.

I also don't see the scare tactic in it, he's giving her his honest opinion on what her chances are. I doubt anyone is going to tell her that her odds are 20% for conceiving naturally at this stage as you claimed since that's completely false.

I'm all for giving hope to people with unexplained infertility. However I don't agree with giving them so much hope that they risk using years continuing to try naturally thinking they've still got a really good chance at conceiving that way when they don't. And no, when you haven't been able to conceive within 1-2 years, chances are there is something wrong.

I don't think I've been insulting, I just see red when someone is spreading wrong information about unexplained infertility. You're free to have the opinion you think she has a good chance of conceiving naturally, just don't baseit and spout false information.

I find it very telling that you've removed your comment btw.



 
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Old Mar 20th, 2017, 12:29 PM   9
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Kat was there really any need to be so condescending?

There is no need to see 'red' and slam people for what was clearly not meant to upset. Try talking 'to' people rather than 'at' them. You're right not everyone gets it but the forum can help others understand more and more each day. Talk not anger!



 
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Old Mar 20th, 2017, 12:30 PM   10
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just wanted to offer hugs and I hope you get some answers x



 
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