That's great that you did get an answer and were close to a great urologist! That's something that I haven't read about yet, so glad to know your story! I'm sure you posted that info a long time ago, thanks for telling it again to me!

Stinas- so funny to hear that was the first thing you asked your DH. Hope his back feels better soon- it can't be much fun dealing with a back that is thrown out.

Hi rdleela- I'm glad you are in here and getting support. I really hope that surgery is successful, it must be such a delicate surgery. How has your husband been processing all of this?

Stinas- I hope your husband's back is feeling better.

Deb- How is everything? Are you feeling good?

For any of you who have seen an IF psychologist, what can we expect when we see him on Wednesday? We will talk about donor sperm, but right now, that is our plan B. We want to talk about how it feels to be experiencing this and how to cope with what's ahead (IVF or donor).

Thank you ladies....hes doing a bit better today. Big baby lol I know hes in pain but geesh....after giving him some meds what else can I do? lol

Canadian - Is it a must to see a IF physch?

Hope everyone had a good weekend.

So...... my OH went to try a second sample for banking last week, and although they found nothing in that one - or at least hadn't after 90 mins of looking - the guy doing the consent for storing told him they did find something in the one the week before!!!!! I wasn't there but OH was told the numbers were minimal. I'm not sure what that means .... a couple of hundred would be minimal for most people. But I think that might be too hopeful, so I'm only expecting in the 10's. He didn't ask anything about mobility etc, but I'm assuming they would only freeze stuff that looks fairly normal and is moving a bit.

The guy was very clear with him that it's not much at all, and it may not survive thawing. He also said he should come back 2 or 3 more times, because every now and again they might find something. But I'm so pleased for him, he does struggle with not being manly enough beause of all this. Maybe it'll make the idea of surgery easier to deal with if it's needed.

Trying to stay realistic though. Still haven't had the genetic results back. The urologist implied that they should be OK as the cause seems to be the surgery as a child, which was quite late. But a friend of mine who's a reproductive scientist said that as undescended testicles aren't normal, there could be an underlying genetic reason for that to have happened in the first place

Trying not to moan, but feeling pretty rough still. I struggle to sit down without falling asleep!! and the nausea is still there pretty much 100% of th time. Back to work tomorrow - should be interesting!

Mine wasn't a psychologist, just a counsellor, but she very much just let me talk and just gave input when appropriate. She let me work a lot of it out myself just by talking it through, but was also very supportive. I hope it goes well xx

Mercury - that's good news they found some and the mobility doesn't matter if they're doing ICSI. It's scary when they talk about such low numbers as 'normal' males make thousands in every heartbeat, but you really don't ned many. We only got 30-40 in a mTESE op, but it was enough. It's quality not quantity that matters!

Hi Deb, we are going tomorrow for biopsy results after 3 weeks (although we could have gotten them last week but we were away). I understand that they send the sample away (to a different clinic) to try to get to the root of the problem. They did tell my DH after the proceedure that there was sperm but they didn't do a count. I guess they need to study it, especially when there are no hormonal or apparent blockage issues, which is our case. I´ll let you know more tomorrow as I'll be sure to ask him what took them so long!

With our NHS SSR they took 3 samples and kept 95% of the tissue to look for sperm and sent the other 5% to pathology for more info. We got the report back from them after about 3 weeks and had been told that if they found any in that 5%, they wouldn't be able to freeze them. But the 95% was looked at there and then. I guess they do things differently, even throughout the UK,

Good luck for tomorrow xx

Mercury - Thats wonderful news!!! Heck, anything is better than completely zero like they all tell us at first! Good luck!