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Old Jul 10th, 2016, 05:07 AM   11
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CaliDreaming, thank you. good to see that you are about to ttc your third!! best of luck!

Unlucky, I have read your journal and I am sorry that your journey has been so difficult. being a mother is great particularly when you have been waiting for so long. there are moments when I still cannot believe she is real. I am able to feel truly happy for the first time in years. have you considered natural IVF?

in my case and in hindsight i can safely conclude that without IVF we just would not be able to conceive. Looking back I slightly regret spending first few years TTC naturally because my FSH was still not outrageously high and perhaps i would have been able to get pregnant with stim IVF much quicker. but I read too many success stories and was a bit stubborn, also not morally prepared for IVF. I also felt very fertile and I think I was, but i underestimated the sperm factor. I know more about sperm than I ever wished to but it still remains a mystery. he does have some sperm so theoretically it should be possible. he has very low morphology but still there are normal sperms. why none of them made it or if they did were not able to penetrate my eggs? I am quite sure that in all our time TTC naturally, not once an embryo reached my uterus. I know this because out of 4 ET, 3 resulted in BFP so if an embryo placed into my uterus it's trying to implant and you can see it. when we TTc naturally i have not seen even a faint second line, not even a hint of a line. so many eggs wasted....

with regards to low AMH/ high FSH, my experience tells me that this is only relevant in a context of a stim IVF cycle and even then not relevant to everyone. you won't get many eggs that's true but often you just need one egg. in my case i had zero fertilisation level on all my stim IVFs so naturally clinics blamed my egg quality. but then I also had 100% fertilisation on my natural IVF. clearly this means my eggs are fine. i mean obviously age played a role otherwise I would not have a chemical and a MC but there were still good quality eggs in there. the problem was with stimulation, something did not work for me hence zero fertilisation. also if we had good sperm i am sure we would have been able to get bfp naturally despite low AMH and high FSH.

Thanks for reading my journal. Don't think I could go through with another ivf cycle. Too much emotions and too costly. I am hoping that the herbs I am taking works. It is so hard to go to all the appointments and cling to the small hope of one egg. I really do hope we can do it naturally. We did it once before but it resulted in a miscarriage. I know my tubes are fine so it is a matter of that golden egg being created.

So happy that you can feel happy again. Definitely know the feeling. When I went for my first few scans I couldn't believe that I was pregnant and the photos were a baby inside me.



 
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Old Jul 11th, 2016, 09:28 AM   12
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Unlucky, best of luck TTC naturally! You managed it once so it is possible. I am hoping to read your success story soon.



 
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Old Jul 14th, 2016, 07:59 AM   13
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CaliDreaming, generally clinics do not like natural IVf cos of lower success rates but in some circumstance they know it works better. it my case it was harder to convince them cos I still have follicles and more eggs with stems but the quality of eggs goes down. somehow the clinics do not attribute it to stims so all clinics here and abroad tried to persuade me to do stims again. in the end the main difference was the price 4-5K pounds in the UK compared 1-2K euros abroad (including travel). also in europe you pay less if the cycle does not beyond EC e.g. if no eggs are collected whereas in the UK you pay everything up front prior to EC and there is no refund. in Brno for example they did not charge us at all cos there was no eggs collected. we just paid 50 euros for the needle and obviously flights/hotels.

re ageing eggs, the way i see it our cells including eggs incur more chromosomal damage as we age, there is less energy to repair etc so after 35 more and more often you come across eggs that are not viable i.e. they have chromosomal errors that means they can't create an embryo or divide properly etc. with regards to " a snapshot of what has been happening your body over a certain period of time" i think this is more relevant to younger eggs e.g you can be exposed to something which may have affected your egg quality for a while but your body will clear itself out and after a while your eggs are back to what they were. with ageing eggs i think it is different. you can have a good egg one months and then a not so good one next month. this is why i made a point of having back to back natural IVf cycles so we do not miss a single egg and give every egg a chance. although this may mean having to go through MC which is again a consequence of a bad egg.



 
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Old Jul 14th, 2016, 14:19 PM   14
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Thank you for sharing your story. So pleased that it worked for you at the end in spite all these heartache.



 
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Old Sep 13th, 2016, 20:43 PM   15
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OMG I can't believe I'm just now seeing this - but congratulations! I had been following your story a while ago, and I'm so glad you were able to have your daughter! Yay!!!!!



 
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Old Oct 15th, 2016, 14:50 PM   16
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My dear friend Briss
What a wonderful story, you have a baby!!!! and you should have a dr. degree what a detail research you have done. I give you a virtual Nobel Price. This story is a nice draft to write your book.
I am so thrilled that you are finally a mommy
How many natural IVFs did you have?
Why did you succeed? What did you do different?
Did you take antibiotics?
We did 2 different things , assisted hatching and 81mg aspirin.


I am so proud of you that you didn't do stims. You know your body better than anybody else.

You had no painkillers for EC. Me either.
I am so sorry you had bad experience with EC. I also had bleeding, just minor, but 30 min after ER, I got dizzy my blood pressure got too low. Dr blamed that I ate and drink nothing that morning. I thought is was a vagus nerve response to a bleeding. It was my first IVF without egg collection, dr. tried 2 times to retrieve that egg. It didn't stop me.....


This was your baby hunting marathon. I also didn't skip a month. In 9 months we did natural 7 ivfs and 2 iuis. We were searching for a good egg and we found it! 4 embryos were grade a.
All other embryos started with a nice division but didn't implant.
During the last lucky month, I also had my gut feeling not to do 3rd IUI do ivf instead cos my dr. offered me.
I am glad you researched other clinics too. We were not happy about the ET in one clinic, dr. didn't even looked on the ultrasound, we didn't think the embryo made it to the uterus.




Do you mind telling your birth story? Why was your delivery so difficult?
Best wishes,
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Old Oct 15th, 2016, 15:17 PM   17
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Hey Briss. Not sure if you remember me but we were on the Chinese acupuncture thread together back in 2012. What a journey you've been on! So glad to see there was a happy ending.!



 
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Old Oct 16th, 2016, 16:04 PM   18
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Hi dovkav, so happy to hear from you! I ended up in one of the clinics that you recommended so eternally grateful to you! Nobel Price is great but I'd exchange it for a second baby all my thoughts are about getting pregnant again. can't wait to start TTC again but obviously after 40 it's a different game.

in the end I had 7 IVFs (same as you!), these are the ones that got to EC. I had more cycles where for various reasons we did not proceed. I had 4 completely natural IVfs, one modified natural (tiny doses of stims) and two stim IVFs. It had to be natural IVF for us because for some reason after stims my eggs would not fertilise. not once! whereas in a natural IVF setting all my eggs fertilised but obviously it's not every time that you catch that egg. Out of 4 ETs I had 3 BFPs but only one went on to full term. I believes mc/chemical were due to egg quality (possibly sperm quality) due to age.

what worked for us is most likely a combination of natural IVf for me + IMSI for DH + the right clinic. somehow I had two cycles with this clinic and both times got pregnant. either IMSI was really super important for us or just something within the lab that my eggs liked in my case less is more so I had no medication, not even the trigger short and no additional procedures done to me or the embryo. the only additional procedure was IMSi for sperm. I did take progesterone though after EC but that was it. I did not take antibiotics.

EC with no sedation can be brutal but after what happened to me (i.e. eternal bleeding) I just really wanted to be aware of what's happening and alert the doctor there and then if something does not feel right. I was observing my pain after EC to make sure it goes down.

I will post my birth story later on.

brooders, thank you! Congratulations on your pregnancy!



 
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Old Oct 17th, 2016, 14:05 PM   19
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Briss, what a story! I am on my second IUI, currently on TWW and with no hope as during our last IUI at UCHL we were told that the sperm post wash was just above 4mil and therefore chances were near nil. They of course told us that just before performing IUI so in terms of feeling relaxed, oh well, relaxed we were not!
They are now talking about IVF with waiting list of 6 months having failed to refer us back in June 2016, I guess, in error.
We are only entitled to one fresh and one frozen of IVF and somehow my hopes are not very high. I allowed myself to completely believe in first IUI and broken down after getting BFN - one day before my TWW and being still high on trigger shot.
I was truly uplifting to reach your story and advice you are able to give to others on this and other forums. I am already researching on IVF abroad (due to costs in the UK) and must say that your experience and feedback with so many clinics come in handy!
I am terrified of the whole IVF saga due to the amount of drugs that are compulsory on NHS, I am looking forward to it as well as it has been 10 years of TTC!
I have been on Clomid (50mg) day 2-7 of my cycle twice plus trigger and I must say I did feel acutely mentally challenged, especially during my second round. Also, completely forgot that the drugs can have an impact on patient's weight

How are you doing now? Are you on IVF again?

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Old Oct 18th, 2016, 08:01 AM   20
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Hi LondonMarta, 4 mil post wash is actually not bad at all so fingers crossed! I do not know your history and reasons for TTC that long but if your hormones (FSH, AMH) are OK stim IVF might not be a bad choice. I also had my NHS cycle at UCLH/CRGH but i was unlucky. and yes, meds do make you put on weight, it took me 6 months to lose most of the IVF weight, just in time for my proper BFP but do not do diets when on stims, the opposite eat well and do not forget your protein to grow lots of good eggies. By all means start your NHS process cos it'll take more than 6 months in the end but in the meantime do look into IVF abroad. Obviously after the Brexit vote it's going to be more expensive due to euro/pound exchange rates but still much cheaper than here. IVF is hard but if you tried everything else then it may be time to move on. My only regret is not starting IVF sooner. NHS does not pay for natural IVF unfortunately so I had to go with stims although on my review meeting they did tell me that in my case natural IVF might have been a better option. so maybe you could consider trying natural IVF abroad before starting your stim NHS cycle?

I am preparing to start natural IVF abroad again although I am still breastfeeding. I am very scared because things have changed after giving birth. I keep telling myself that even though it may not work out I must try.



 
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