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Old Feb 20th, 2018, 10:33 AM   21
Nataliieexo
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I am thinking about doing soy, b-complex and progesterone next cycle. I know they say Vitex can take up to 6 months to work if itís going to work. It just seems like too much time for me. Iím impatient, maybe I should be used to it taking a long time since we have been ttc over 3 years but the longer itís taking the less patient Iím becoming. My son is 4 in the summer and I imagined him becoming a big brother by 2.

My friends seem to have had ok experiences going to the groups aswell. One of my friends is currently trying sw again but sheís in a different area to me and itís on the day my son is off nursery and it would be too much for him to go to it otherwise I would have considered joining with her. I always find dieting with someone quite helpful aswell. I will see where my nearest group is and have a think about it.



 
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Old Feb 20th, 2018, 15:15 PM   22
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How long has it been since you tried soy? Maybe start off on 80 for two days, increase to 120 or 160 for two, then 160 or 200 on the fifth day? Also if you use it at the later end you're more likely to produce a much more mature egg, whereas earlier you use it more chance of multiple ovulation. But you probably know that already.
B complex will help increase progesterone, and if you use progesterone during your lp, if the soy does increase your oestrogen too much hopefully this will counter it enough.

I went alone first time I joined but I knew the group consultant which was good, but then a friend joined the same group with me later on. However, this group closed and I had to join another, I didn't stay because I had too much happening at the time but I think you will make friends if you can't join with a friend



 
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Old Feb 20th, 2018, 15:41 PM   23
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The first cycle I tried soy I used lower doses and didnít ovulate it was a 80+ day cycle the next cycle I took 200mg each day and ovulated the next few cycles until the last cycle I tried it where I didnít ovulate. Then I ovulated on my own the next cycle which is very strange for me. I was wondering if it was a delayed reaction to soy or something. Iíve just found my notes from when I used the soy. I did use b6 for one cycle I tried soy but my lp didnít change. It was only 9days. With spotting on 9dpo. Then I bought the progesterone cream for the next cycle and didnít ovulate.

Iím not the greatest person at making friends I struggle to understand how I made the friends I have lol since having my son though it has seemed to help me come out of my shell a bit though people regularly stop me to talk to him and say how cute he is so I have no choice to speak to strangers lol



 
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Old Feb 20th, 2018, 16:41 PM   24
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There is also oestrogen cream but I don't know enough about it to advise when and how to use it.
I think it's worth giving the soy another chance, perhaps try an in between dose? Perhaps start at 120, then 160 then 200?
You can use the progesterone cream daily for a certain time, I can't remember how long now, but some people do this throughout their cycle then stop to induce a stronger ovulation. I haven't tried this myself but I have read about it briefly online, may be worth a Google.

I know what you mean. I'm really unsociable! But cute babies do have a habit of drawing attention you can't avoid! The only way I can deal with being sociable is faking confidence, eventually it becomes an automatic thing you do but it's hard at first



 
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Old Feb 21st, 2018, 02:41 AM   25
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Yes I think if I was to try soy again I would try 160 for the first few days and 200mg for the last day and see what happens.

Using the progesterone cream as a way to get stronger ovulation sounds like it would have the same effect as the progesterone pill. I will look into it more.

My temp went up today Iím not sure what to make of it, if I have another night temp tomorrow it would give me cross hairs, although it could drop aswell I wonít know until tomorrow. If it was to go up it would put ovulation 3 days after the positive opk which is a little off usually ovulation would take place 24/48 hours after a positive opk not 72 hours.

Iíve never been one for being able to even fake confidence, itís always been pretty clear Iím shy and unconfident. Although Iím more comfortable talking to health professionals now that I have my son as he has had lots of Drs apps, peaditrition apps and speech and language and portage come to the house and I feel Iím able to be pretty open with them which is a big leap from what I used to be like.



 
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Old Feb 21st, 2018, 04:58 AM   26
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I think with the progesterone that's the idea, but you're using the bio-identical hormone instead of the synthetic hormone in the pill.

Your chart looks good, it isn't unheard of to ovulate three days after a positive OPK, did you keep using them after the positive to see if they went and stayed negative?

I understand because although this was what I used to do, I have been a recluse for much of the time more recently. When I do speak to other people I probably look nuts but ho hum lol



 
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Old Feb 21st, 2018, 06:15 AM   27
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Yes they went back to no line so I havenít done one in 2 days, but I prefer to use the Clearblue advance ovulation test because with opks it seems I can get a negative, a positive, then negative 2 hours later. My surge seems really short so there have been times where I have missed the positive opk but ovulated despite testing multiple times in a day. Where as with the Clearblue it seems to pick up the peak. Iíve only used the Clearblue twice last time it did pick up ovulation. And this time Iím not sure weather it has been a false peak or not. Last cycle when I ovulated naturally I had ovulation pain for a few hours and it took me back to when I was ttc my son and had he exact same pain it was the only cycle I got ovulation pain aswell and we concieved that cycle with dtd 4 days before ovulation. Which is why although I didnít track last cycle because I never thought I would ovulate without the soy when I got that pain I just couldnít stop myself from being curious and starting to temp on the day I ovulated. When ttc my son I had multiple days of positive opks they would be blaring positive much darker than the control line. Everything about ttc is so different this time round.

I spend a lot of time at home as well, although since my sons diagnosis of autism Iím trying to push myself to go out more often because he needs it and Iíve put his name down for a autism group nearby and there are workshops that will put me with other parents of children with autism which will be beneficial for me and my son. I have to come out of my shell weather I like it or not for his sake.



 
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Old Feb 21st, 2018, 06:21 AM   28
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Hopefully your temps continue to increase and you can confirm ovulation this cycle! It looks good

We have both our youngest with autism too. It isn't easy getting them out and about because there's usually a meltdown with one or both! DS2 had a meltdown Christmas Eve the year before last and I had to carry him plus Christmas shopping outstretched back home lol it wasn't easy! It's good you have groups for him, there are things like this for older children with autism here but I haven't found any for younger children



 
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Old Feb 21st, 2018, 06:48 AM   29
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I hope so fingers crossed for tomorrowís temp.

It can be really difficult with meltdowns, I think for a long time I didnít want to stray far because thereís usually a meltdown. Sometimes it can even be going into a shop that causes a meltdown. Even our local shop we go multiple times a week and the majority of it starts with him screaming as soon as we walk through the doors. I find things like soft play, swimming things he likes to do especially swimming because he loves it so much and most of the swimming pools near us have time limits and he doesnít understand any of that so when we get out he doesnít understand why and probably assumes Iím being mean by taking him out and he sobs and screams itís awful.
Thereís only one group around here as far as Iím aware for 2-7 year olds. The group was created by a lady whoís son was diagnosed with autism and she created the group because there was very little support for children with autism and familyís with children with autism. Each child gets a 1 hour session a week which is good and my sons nursery is willing to let him go to that instead of one of his sessions if we get given a slot that clashes with his nursery time which is good that the nursery is willing to be flexible.



 
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Old Feb 21st, 2018, 10:04 AM   30
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On Ff under interpretation it says your monitor detected peak on cd20 you may have ovulated on cd21. Is it just saying this because of the peak on the ovulation test do you think?



 
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