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Old Feb 23rd, 2018, 14:45 PM   41
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Iím feeling really anxious tonight for some reason. You know when you get bad news and your stomach sort of drops I felt like that before but for no reason and I feel really anxious out of the blue with no reason why. I suffer with anxiety but not like this.



 
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Old Feb 24th, 2018, 03:07 AM   42
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My temp went down this morning, my temp always goes down on 5dpo Iím not sure if thereís anything in that or not though.

Iíve added 3 of my previous charts from last year when I was using soy. As you can see two of my charts are very similar they were cycle 1&2 of using soy and the 3rd one is very different that is cycle 3 on soy. My first 2 charts my temps dropped from 5dpo onwards then the 3rd one did have me feeling pretty optimistic but obviously I still got my af with 9day lp.



 
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Old Feb 24th, 2018, 04:20 AM   43
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Your increased anxiety could be the change in hormones, I seem to have an increase in anxiety around ovulation, but it used to be far more prominent during my lp. The dip you're seeing is probably due to the oestrogen surge you have during your lp, there's usually a couple of these surges which is normal.
It could be that the cream isn't enough to help increase the length of your lp. I think if your anxiety continues then it may be worth asking for Cyclogest instead as this is a higher dose of progesterone and should really help your lp. It may also help your anxiety. If you're oestrogen dominant then your lp will suffer and so will your anxiety



 
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Old Feb 24th, 2018, 04:46 AM   44
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I think I will take my charts to the Drs if this cycles lp isnít any better. I just donít think my Drs understand anything about the lp because 2 Drs have told me lp doesnít matter. When I know full well it does. With my chemical I think I implanted at 9dpo and then with my son 10dpo I got bfps at 11&12dpo with them so I need the extra days to implant. I know some people do get pregnant with short lps I just donít think that would be me.

Iím feeling a lot better today but last night was so strange I had never felt like that for no reason before.

I also wonder about the quality of my eggs. Since I hadnít been ovulating until last year thatís 2 years and a bit of no ovulation at all, it makes me wonder if thereís something going on there.



 
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Old Feb 24th, 2018, 14:57 PM   45
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I definitely have some symptoms of a uti I have had a fair few of them over the past several months and I have had one after ovulation for the past few cycles I wonder if this is the result of me holding my pee for ovulation tests. I also wonder if it may have a negative effect on conceiving.



 
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Old Feb 24th, 2018, 15:25 PM   46
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I think firstly whoever told you your lp doesn't matter is completely full of shit and knows absolutely nothing. Of course it matters! As you know. Anything under 11 days is classed as a short lp and progesterone levels should be checked. There are various things you can do to try to increase progesterone on your own aside from cream, but personally I found the best way was Cyclogest. It also really helped my anxiety and depression. I was a suicidal mess before using them, and this has reduced to a few days of depression (but I think it's normal to feel that way after having losses) and much less anxiety. My temps are also sustained. I didn't have a short lp, but my temps were falling too soon. And I had other symptoms of low progesterone.

I think you should have your oestradiol levels checked too. This is usually done between CD1-4. Frequent UTIs can indicate low oestrogen, and if this is low then your lining may not be building enough, and also your eggs may not be maturing enough.
I think your doctor should perform the same bloods I had done which were for FSH, LH, oestradiol, FBC and thyroid. I then had progesterone checked about a week before af was due, but I had had positive pregnancy tests by then so I think this is why my progesterone was slightly elevated. They also carried out a pelvic scan which revealed a thin lining and like you, I suffered with frequent UTIs and I have to be SO careful these days otherwise they happen again.

The best way to avoid UTIs is obviously to drink plenty of water, Cystopurin can help too, as can unsweetened cranberry juice. Keep clean obviously but don't use any kind of soap down below, just water to wash with down there. Wear cotton underwear so you can breathe. I found uva ursi helpful, it's a herbal tincture but it isn't for long term use as it can cause liver damage I think. I also don't know of its safety re ttc so that's something to ask a pharmacist or Google.
Pee as soon as you have the urge to and try drinking at least a pint an hour, avoid alcohol and keep caffeine to a minimum, although if you need to flush your bladder through in a hurry, one cup of tea won't hurt, caffeine is a diuretic so will draw all liquid to your bladder and help you pee fast. I used to drink a load of water and have one cup of tea or coffee first thing to help me get rid of the stinging quickly. But if you find caffeine in any amount makes it worse then just don't drink it.
It's also really important to pee immediately before sex and as soon as possible afterwards too (I know ttc it's advised to lie with legs up for a while, but I would do only what you can get away with then pee asap after), and also important he makes sure his bits don't come into contact with your backdoor as this will transmit bacteria into your urethra which you don't want



 
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Old Feb 24th, 2018, 16:39 PM   47
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Iím going to write those down and talk to the dr about it. Iíve had all the bloods done but what I notice at my drs is they donít care at what point in your cycle you are for them to take them. Although I know well that they need to be taken at the correct times to get accurate results. I sometimes feel like I have more knowledge in fertility than the Drs at my surgery. Although there is a lot I still donít know about but I at least know the basics and about ovulation problems and progesterone etc.
Itís frustrating because when anyone I know wants to ttc or have problems with there period and cycles or want to know when to take opks when the best time to have sex is they come to me, i spent several cycles helping my close friend conceive, I helped her with everything except doing the deed itself but I just canít get myself pregnant itís so strange. I do feel quite privileged that people choose to ask my advice and feel that Iím the person that they can come to with any advice they have. Although it brings me happiness when they do conceive it still stings thatís itís not me.

I pretty much do all of those things. I have always been prone to utiís aswell. When I was about 21 I had food poisoning and it some how triggered me to have a uti which went undiagnosed because my symptoms were stomach cramps, diarrhoea and vomiting so it was automatically assumed as stomach bug but then I had one every month for 3 months in the end I saw a dr and had a severe uti and after that treatment whenever I got a uti i didnít get sickness or anything else with it just cramps and frequently needing to pee. Funny enough I only had a few utis while pregnant with my son and the past few years Iíve had several a year and now turning into every month again. I donít drink a lot of tea now compared to what I used to i usually have 2 max sometimes just my morning cup of tea I canít function without that. I found tea made me pee a lot and I have problems with my bladder to start with it never empties properly so I need the toilet quicker so tea only makes it worse. When I had my early scans when I was pregnant I would be asked to empty my bladder and they would ask me straight away if I had been because my bladder was still full. The first 4 scans I had killed me having to have a full bladder and then after I would have to pee every 5-10 minutes and had to travel 45minutes home by bus it was horrendous. That probably doesnít help my uti problems.



 
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Old Feb 24th, 2018, 17:23 PM   48
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Yeah I can relate to a lot of what you say.
With your doctor instead of having the bloods done there, ask them for the form and go to your hospital to have them instead if you can as this means you choose when to go in. At our hospital you can just go to the path lab and have bloods done with the form, you don't have to have an appointment.

I know how you feel with the advice thing too and seeing everyone else become successfully pregnant and you feel like you're being left behind. I don't mind giving advice if I can and helping and I'm happy when people get their positives, but it's rubbish feeling like I'm inadequate somehow because I can't keep hold of a pregnancy when I didn't have an issue before. It's so frustrating.

Haven't they investigated your UTI situation? I would have thought suffering for as long as you have they would have? But then if they're that crap they don't even know how important your luteal phase is I guess they don't seem to care about much. I think I would push for investigation and definitely try to have all the relevant hormone tests redone at the right time. It's such a shame that they have let you down like this. If it's a hormonal issue then it could potentially be easily fixed if only they bothered to really look into things and perform the right tests at the right time



 
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Old Feb 24th, 2018, 18:03 PM   49
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Oh I didnít know you could do that I will see if you can do that around here it could be different in different places. Iím not sure.

It is hard when everyone around you is getting pregnant, it would be even harder suffering losses aswell. I always set myself up for a fall every cycle I imagine how we would announce our pregnancy, how we would include our son in the announcement.

I must admit my doctors are not very good, I was recently diagnosed with hyper mobility of the knees and it causes chronic leg pain itís every day, and all they have offered is codeine and another tablet to kill nerve pain and help me sleep and physio while the tablets do work codeine is addictive and as far as Iím aware shouldnít be used long term. But thatís all they offer. Our surgery has combined with another two surgeries and the Drs are constantly rotating around from surgery to surgery so itís hard to even see the same dr twice. When my son was 8 weeks old I was suffering with gallstone pain I had it while pregnant but when he was out it got so much worse. I went to the Drs and the dr told me it was my body adjusting from not being pregnant any more and when I said I think I have gallstones the dr said there was no way it was gallstones and then I was in hospital 2 days later with a attack and had my gallbladder removed the next morning and it was full to the brim with gallstones that full the bile was leaking out into my body when they were removing it.
I had issues with my son when he was born with reflux they just wouldnít listen to me to the point I took him to a&e twice just so i could get someone to help him. But ever since they have been good with him, especially when he has had croup heís always got the steroid he needs etc. I couldnít even switch surgeryís because they have all combined now.



 
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Old Feb 25th, 2018, 03:59 AM   50
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Oh my goodness, that's really a nightmare. The first thing I was thinking was can you change doctor surgery. We have a lot of different doctors coming and going in our surgery, and the one doctor I trust who happens to be one of the partners, she's away frequently so it's hard to see her when she's there as everyone wants to see her. There's some guy there who's a complete arse, I went in to ask for help when I was in the worst of my eating disorder and he told me to 'just eat more' and that was it. Like it was just that easy. Another doctor there couldn't even read a pregnancy test properly, telling me it was positive and then looking at it again and saying 'oh sorry, that was the control line, it's negative'. Some doctors are just so incredibly rubbish it really makes you wonder how on earth they qualified.

Yes, you're right, codeine is addictive and ideally shouldn't be used for more than three days when self-medicating. A doctor can keep prescribing them, but it isn't really helping. It's an opiate based drug, so you can become addicted to it. Unfortunately there seems to be little anyone can actually do about certain types of pain. I don't know how else they could treat your pain since I don't know enough about it. My husband has chronic back problems, he has a herniated disc and has had it for so long his mobility is reduced so because he's subconsciously restricted his movement, it's made it worse. He's been on two types of morphine for ages, on and off for about three years.
Where is the nerve pain? Is it possible it's sciatic? It could be a separate issue to that of your hypermobility if so, and possible your sciatic nerve is being pressed, in which case it may be worth asking about a spinal instead. This works by numbing the pain for a few months so you can partake in physio more effectively, and also injects a steroid on top of anaesthetic.
The drug you're on, is it gabapentin (neurontin)? It's quite a commonly prescribed drug for nerve pain. It may be worth asking for a low dose of Zomorph instead of codeine as these are slow release and whilst still addictive, they may help more than codeine which is more of a fast acting drug. Zomorph is a type of morphine, but you take two a day twelve hours apart. Still isn't ideal but there isn't much else as once you start on heavy duty painkillers, milder ones don't really do anything. I don't think there's any kind of painkiller that's ideal for long term use.

The whole gallbladder thing sounds horrendous. I can't believe they didn't bother with you and just left you to it. My husband had to have his appendix out not so long ago and had been suffering these episodes of horrific pain, I had always worried it was his appendix as sometimes you can have appendicitis which lasts a long time, rather than the usual kind that comes on quickly and is immediately an emergency situation. This was what he had, obviously why things like buscopan weren't helping. Eventually it got to a point I called an ambulance out and after leaving him in the waiting room for hours (they didn't recognise the signs for some stupid reason) he was seen and eventually diagnosed with appendicitis and had it removed the following evening. Sometimes we are the best people to diagnose things, because we know our bodies and our partners more than most, and some doctors are rubbish.

You should be able to do that with the path lab. I would imagine it's the same in many areas at least. You can't always get an appointment at your doctor at the right time so it is sometimes much easier to just go to the hospital instead. This is what I do if I have to have my bloods done because it's so hard to book an appointment at my surgery at the right time.

It is hard. I remember when trying (or rather NTNP) with my first, I wasn't hugely bothered by pregnant women and newborns at first but I was a little after a while. But it hit harder after my first loss nine years ago. My best friend was pregnant at the time so it was hard seeing her, I was happy for her but it wasn't easy especially when she'd grab my hand to feel her DD kicking.
I think it's normal to do what you do, I do the same. You can't help imagine what things will be like, and what if this is your month and things are good, how you would tell everyone, how you would feel being pregnant and the names you would want etc. I find myself doing the same thing each month too



 
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