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Old Feb 25th, 2018, 07:35 AM   51
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I didnít sleep well at all last night, I woke up regularly between 1am and 3am either because of cramps or needing to pee I finally got a solid 4 hours sleep after that. I took my temp this morning then went back to sleep as my oh gets up with our son on Sundayís so I can lie in. Iím feeling a lot better today so far no cramping or anything hopefully I donít get anything else like that I canít imagine a uti being any good for implantation especially with the cramps.

Oh thatís awful about the dr you saw that told you to eat more, how could he even have imagined that would be something helpful to say.

Itís called amatryptaline, I was given it at first when I started getting the leg pain because they said it might be nerve pain and it did help some and I slept a lot better and more soundly on it which is always a plus. I then came off it but was put back on it because we couldnít find anything else that worked as well combined with the codeine. I donít take the codeine everyday and Iím not addicted despite being on it for a year or so now, i take it when it is really bad and just go with paracetamol when itís not so bad. But I canít be on amatryptaline or codeine when pregnant so we will have to explore other options or I will just have to live through the pain.
The dr also thinks the amatryptaline can be used to help with ibs also and it definitely stops me from being up and down peeing before I can eventually drift off at night which is a bonus I used to have to pee every 10-20 mins from getting into bed until I could finally drift off it was highly frustrating. It is also used as anxiety and depression tablet aswell I have found it helpful for that aswell.

Yes I definitely agree that we are sometimes better at diagnosing ourself than Drs. Google is definitely helpful sometimes but other times not so helpful and can have some scary information. Sometimes i also wonder how the Drs got there qualifications and there jobs and if they really care.

With my chemical I found it really difficult, to see other people announcing etc. My two close friends have been pregnant while Iíve been ttc and had there babyís itís been quite hard especially when I was ttc before they even wanted another baby. I think everyone ttc imagines the same thing about how it would be and how they would announce. I think it I got a bfp I would probably faint, itís been so long I think in some way while I imagine what it will be like to be pregnant and what it would be like to see those 2 pink lines I still think in the back of my mind that itís not our cycle and it wonít happen to protect myself from feeling so disappointed when I get af.

In all honesty I donít think anything has changed this cycle my nipples are still sore they were sore from before ovulation til af last cycle and still are now, Iím not sure if itís a side effect of the progesterone cream though because usually they would stop hurting by 3-4dpo. Although I have noticed that my symptoms do change from cycle to cycle aswell.



 
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Old Feb 25th, 2018, 15:30 PM   52
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I'm sorry your sleep suffered so much, mine did too as it happens because of anxiety. It's rubbish not seeing much sleep.

Oh yes, amitryptiline was given to my husband for nerve pain, but it landed him in hospital being unable to pee, so he couldn't use it. Since it stops you peeing frequently, I wonder if this contributes to your UTIs?
I use diazepam for my anxiety. Another opiate based drug which is highly addictive, I have used it for years but I actually haven't become addicted to it and the reason I know this is because when I had acupuncture I was able to just stop using it immediately without any withdrawal effects. I don't take it because I physically crave it, I use it to keep anxiety as low as possible, but I find Cyclogest does a pretty good job too when I use it during my lp, which means I can lower the dose of diazepam I am using. It isn't something that's advised to use in pregnancy but it's thought to be relatively lower risk up until the third trimester. Still, I don't like that I use it.
It's hard to treat pain successfully without compromising on something. Have you tried acupuncture for your pain? It can also be used for lots of other things too.

I understand what you mean. I tend to start thinking about things, and then I try to stop myself imagining it being our month because it's always resulted in misery so far.

Yeah progesterone can cause some symptoms, it usually makes my boobs hurt a lot



 
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Old Feb 25th, 2018, 16:04 PM   53
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I really hate under sleeping I never ever feel well rested when I wake regardless of how much sleep I get but I find Iím much slower the day after having less sleep. I had never thought of the amatryptaline being the reason for utis although I do pee a lot during the day and hourly on a evening I think I do pee plenty.

I havenít, I wanted to wait until I had been seen at the hospital about the leg pain in case I did find something that worked and it masked a problem. I will be looking into further alternative methods of pain relief though especially if I do get pregnant. Itís good that you arenít addicted to the diazepam and you can lower the dose during you lp.

Itís hard when you build yourself up for a bfp and it doesnít happen. I was so lucky when I ttc my son to conceive him in 3 cycles and I never imagined I would face difficulties later on.

I donít believe in stuff like this usually but my Mam passed away when I was 8 weeks pregnant and I do believe my son was sent to me to help me through losing her. And he really did help me and he still does.

Itís probably the progesterone then, Iím eager get to 9/10dpo to see if the Vitex/progesterone has made any difference to my lp at all.



 
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Old Feb 26th, 2018, 03:45 AM   54
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Temps gone down this morning, it was freezing when I woke up and snowing a bit not sure if that would cause my temp to be lower or not. I have a feeling this is the start of my temps dropping though. Af is due on Thursday based on a 9day lp.



 
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Old Feb 26th, 2018, 04:54 AM   55
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Yeah I know what you mean, I don't feel like I have slept properly even if I have a really good night's sleep. It may be to do with melatonin production, if you're not making enough of it then you won't sleep properly, and I would imagine it could easily contribute to restlessness and being unable to go into a proper deep sleep. You can buy it online but it isn't available over the counter here, there apparently hasn't been enough trials to ensure its safety but I don't really understand that since it's something we make naturally, or should make, but some don't make enough of it so it seems sensible to supplement with it until you're in a good sleeping pattern. It seems more logical than sleeping pills and stuff. I think it can sometimes be prescribed but it depends on the doctor I think.

I see what you're saying, my husband worries about having appointments about his back issues and the meds he's on masking things etc.
There are lots of alternative therapies you can try out though, some available on the NHS, I believe acupuncture is in some places here for physical problems like nerve pain. It isn't available for mental health though which is a shame as it's really helpful but also expensive when you're looking at six sessions bare minimum. Ideally ongoing.

If we ever do get a sticky baby then I will gradually lower the diazepam, which in theory should be easier pregnant than not pregnant because of the constant elevated levels of progesterone.

It's weird isn't it, when it seemed so easy before to conceive and have a healthy baby and then one day it just is the complete opposite. We didn't expect it to be like this. Youngest is four so it isn't like it's been decades since we had a child.

I'm a firm believer in these things, I'm sure many think I'm crazy but I don't care lol I think the timing of pregnancies when you lose someone close to you isn't a coincidence. I've heard this so many times, couples expecting right when they lose someone significant, and it really helps them through it. I'm sorry you lost your mum, though. That must be incredibly hard

The dip could be another oestrogen surge so hopefully they'll increase again, or not dip any lower at least. I have seen lots of charts during pregnancy though which dip a lot, some close to the coverline, so dips don't always mean something negative. I hope your lp is at the least extended, but fingers crossed for a lovely positive instead



 
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Old Feb 26th, 2018, 05:25 AM   56
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Thatís probably something I should look into, Iíve always had trouble falling asleep, it used to take me so long but since starting the amatryptaline i fall asleep must faster. Melatonin is also something my sons peaditrition is looking to try him on in the summer because he has trouble sleeping with lighter nights and takes hours to get to sleep. He was like that in winter too but recently heís been ok and going to sleep pretty much straight away it can be pretty hit and miss for him.

My little boy is 4 in June and although itís not that long itís a long time to have been ttc a sibling I imagined a much smaller age gap. And people ask all the time. Even my friend who knows Iíve struggled always asks if Iím pregnant yet. My family arenít too fussed about me having more children but my partners mum and gran are obsessed with me giving them another grandchild which is nice they want me to have another child but they donít make a effort to see my son so Iím not sure why they are so keen.

It was really difficult losing her, she had been through a lot, a coma twice both times we were told she wouldnít be coming home with us and both times she did, but she was home 2 days before she fell in her bedroom while I was making her a cup of tea and she broke her collarbone and hip and died of pneumonia 4 days later. It was a shock because of what she had been through and survived we never imagined breaking her hip would be the end. My whole family is now divided and itís clear she was the glue that held us all together.

I hope so, fingers crossed for tomorrowís temp, even having a 11dpo would be improvement. Iím still hopeful for a bfp though. I tried out one of my cheapies this morning just to see if they left a evap or anything and they look fine. Iíll possibly test on Wednesday when Iím 9po as long as I have no spotting.



 
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Old Feb 26th, 2018, 06:38 AM   57
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Yeah I think it's worth looking into, I don't know if lacking in melatonin can be hereditary if they're looking into it for your son? Do you have blackout curtains? I know it sounds silly, but it helps.
You saying that about your son has made me wonder about when my eldest was little, he was awful for sleep and didn't sleep through the night for absolutely ages. His dad suffered insomnia and bought melatonin online and it was like a miracle for him, he was sleeping fine. I wonder if parent has sleep issues/low melatonin, if child is then predisposed to poor sleep too.

Have you been actively trying since having your son? I didn't expect an eleven year age gap between eldest and DS2. I had had a miscarriage between, but even then he was almost seven years old so was still some time. But then, I didn't expect the tiny just under eleven month gap between second and third child. And today, or since 2016, all we have are chemicals. Weird how hugely things change over a relatively short space of time.

Wow, your mum went through an awful lot. That must have felt like such a huge kick in the teeth to lose her like that after she'd survived so much. My grandad passed away after a fall, he hadn't had anything wrong with him before, aside from being extremely forgetful. Then one day he accidentally pulled his wardrobe down, somehow managed to then fall down the stairs and was there for two days before anyone realised. His heart stopped a couple of times but he appeared to be recovering, he was transferred to a nursing home as his daughter couldn't live with him long term (she lived in a different country), but he was then transferred back to hospital after catching MRSA and that finished him off. If he hadn't fallen, he probably would have lived for a lot longer as he was always fit and healthy even at his age. I guess after all that trauma and then that, he wasn't strong enough to recover.

It's a shame your family is divided, you always imagine these things bringing you together but sometimes they push you away. Do you have many siblings?

Even if you do see spotting there's every chance it's IB, I do hope you have a positive outcome



 
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Yeah he has black out curtains and it still doesnít seem to help. As far as I know melatonin helps you fall asleep but not stay asleep so it wouldnít really help with night wake ups. I was a bit unsure about it because he can fall asleep and does but the peaditrition, health visitor still want him to try it for the lighter nights. I wouldnít mind him not sleeping straight away but he gets on the windows and bangs on the windows and I donít want him near the Windows, if he was playing nicely I wouldnít have a issue with it. It could be hereditary, Iím not sure itís worth a look into.

Thatís so sad about your grandad, especially when he had life left in him to live. Itís awful especially when a fall can lead to death. Until i happened to us I didnít think it was possible.
She was poorly before her comas she had emphysema but she was pretty active and it didnít have a lot of impact on her life then during her first coma she had several strokes and was left disabled and I was her carer for 4 years before she passed away. She was only 40 it was far to early to lose her. Iíll forever feel robbed of the things we could have shared together especially the birth of my son, she was the one I wanted by my side as I gave birth.

I have a sister sheís 19 I donít see her a lot despite living in the same town sheís been pretty rebellious since my Mam passed away she goes out all weekend every weekend etc. She lives with my step dad who also hardly comes round or bothers with us either. Itís sad really.

We were mostly ntnp after he was born but didnít last long before the opks came out and then I started temping a bit later. I wanted to know my cycles. My oh knows nothing about my cycles, not when Iím fertile or anything he prefers not to know. Even after all this time heís a lot more laid back than me about it.


I had 4 weeks implant bleeding with my son from week 4-8 but was after I got my bfp. The hospital just kept saying thatís what my spotting was. Iím not sure if implant bleeding is supposed to last that long. Thatís a bit of a strange story too like I said I spotted every day week 4-8 and the day my Mam died my spotting stopped. In one way it felt like she took it away so I wouldnít have the extra stress and worry. I had slight spotting at 11 weeks due to a uti too.

I havenít put any thought into what I will do for next cycle if we arenít successful this cycle. Since I ovulated on the first cycle of Vitex which was the goal I feel like I should give it a few cycles to see if it makes improvements to my lp. If it hasnít worked this cycle as they do say it can take months to work.



 
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Old Feb 27th, 2018, 02:08 AM   59
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It looks like Iím out woke up slight cramping and spotting and temp at coverline at 8dpo. Although I have wondered if I ovulated on cd21 when I had stabbing pains on my right side but ff didnít put ovulation til cd23.



 
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Spotting is starting to get a bit more now and cramping fairly bad, I always have bad cramp even with spotting before my period. And to make it worse I have such a headache.

I could possibly have a 8 day lp this cycle and thatís the shortest itís ever been Iím so frustrated, I donít know where to go from here, people keep suggesting I use vitamin b6 alongside the Vitex to help with my lp but not to except results straight away and itís not garenteed to work. I really donít think I will be able to get the dr to take me seriously about progesterone suppositories but Iím going to give it a shot. Iíve also read that low progesterone can be a result of weak ovulation. I donít even know what Iím supposed to do about that because Iíve already tried soy to make me ovulate that should of given stronger ovulation aswell but my lp was still the same then. I can only hope that cycle number 2 on Vitex will be better. At least I ovulated.



 
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