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Old Nov 24th, 2010, 11:34 AM   21
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me and dh came back from honeymoon in las vegas... we have been ttc for 29 months and did a lot of BDing whilst over there as you do when on honeymoon...

i had to go through the x-ray scanner thingy! i said no cos i think i'm preggers and they said if you refuse we will have to do internal! in other wards bend over and relax! they convinced me that the radiation was not enough to harm any pregnancy! i was so embarrassed that i was singled out and that there was a crowd gathering round i ended up giving in... !! turned out i wasn't pg but it thought of the radiation that i was exposed to worries me! but the last i heard they were taking them away again because there have been illnesses cause from it, and i should have complained to the airline/airport for the forcing of going through the scanner and for the possible damage to my health! not to mention them treating me like a criminal for not wanting to go through the scanner! peeved is not the word!

but there isn't much i can do about it now! it's to late.



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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 03:52 AM   22
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me and dh came back from honeymoon in las vegas... we have been ttc for 29 months and did a lot of BDing whilst over there as you do when on honeymoon...

i had to go through the x-ray scanner thingy! i said no cos i think i'm preggers and they said if you refuse we will have to do internal! in other wards bend over and relax! they convinced me that the radiation was not enough to harm any pregnancy! i was so embarrassed that i was singled out and that there was a crowd gathering round i ended up giving in... !! turned out i wasn't pg but it thought of the radiation that i was exposed to worries me! but the last i heard they were taking them away again because there have been illnesses cause from it, and i should have complained to the airline/airport for the forcing of going through the scanner and for the possible damage to my health! not to mention them treating me like a criminal for not wanting to go through the scanner! peeved is not the word!

but there isn't much i can do about it now! it's to late.
Whoa! That's really not on! From what I've heard (I have family that work in the aircraft industry so trust them relatively with the info they give me) it's the scanner or a pat-down - NOT an internal exam!!

I would have made a huge fuss, demanded to speak to their manager, head of security, etc. I think some people are just too keen on lording over others and abusing their authority. They should never have told you that!



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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 04:06 AM   23
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me and dh came back from honeymoon in las vegas... we have been ttc for 29 months and did a lot of BDing whilst over there as you do when on honeymoon...

i had to go through the x-ray scanner thingy! i said no cos i think i'm preggers and they said if you refuse we will have to do internal! in other wards bend over and relax! they convinced me that the radiation was not enough to harm any pregnancy! i was so embarrassed that i was singled out and that there was a crowd gathering round i ended up giving in... !! turned out i wasn't pg but it thought of the radiation that i was exposed to worries me! but the last i heard they were taking them away again because there have been illnesses cause from it, and i should have complained to the airline/airport for the forcing of going through the scanner and for the possible damage to my health! not to mention them treating me like a criminal for not wanting to go through the scanner! peeved is not the word!

but there isn't much i can do about it now! it's to late.
That is horrifying and I have heard of equally scary stories happening often. (I also read one girl showed up in a bathing suit to avoid the whole thing! If it wasn't December, I would TOTALLY do the same).The US is turning into a police state, its such a shame. This nonsense needs to be stopped NOW. They said they are "rethinking" the scanners for next year. If anything awful happens to me I will join the thousands of people who are planning to sue. This is taking measures WAY too far. And unnecessarily so. Its all about money, and a close relationship between people who sell scanners (and who fund political campaigns) and politicians. Gross!



 
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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 04:28 AM   24
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Hi I agree that the airport security does seem quite invasive, but I do feel safer knowing that there are measures in place to help prevent terrorism.
I think there is a little confusion with the word 'x-ray' these scans are not the same as an x-ray you'd receive for a broken bone. Also we are exposed to radiation everyday! scary I know, but I found this snippet below and I hope it helps put peoples minds at rest. Although if you feel strongly about being scanned then by all means you should be allowed to refuse and opt for a pat-down. I've seen my image after one of these scans and to be honest you couldn't see enough to determine I was female!

In airports, passengers walk through metal detectors, which use a low-frequency electromagnetic field to look for metal objects. Anything that generates or uses electricity, such as power lines and household appliances, produces electromagnetic fields.

At the low levels of a metal detector, this exposure is considered safe for everyone, including pregnant women. The same holds true for the wands that are sometimes passed over individual passengers.

You may be worried that these screening machines take X-rays. Rest assured that they don't.

However, a new type of security scanner is now used in some airports. This is called a backscatter X-ray system. It gets its name from the type of technology that is used to create an image. The system sees through clothing, but not skin, to spot concealed items. It’s similar to the X-ray scanners used on your luggage at the airport.

Although it's called an X-ray system, it is safe for you to pass through one. Even 200 backscatter screenings wouldn’t expose you to enough radiation to affect you. This is similar to the amount you would be exposed to on a three-hour flight. While you're pregnant, you're very unlikely to fly so often that you need scanning frequently, anyway.



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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 04:43 AM   25
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Hi I agree that the airport security does seem quite invasive, but I do feel safer knowing that there are measures in place to help prevent terrorism.
I think there is a little confusion with the word 'x-ray' these scans are not the same as an x-ray you'd receive for a broken bone. Also we are exposed to radiation everyday! scary I know, but I found this snippet below and I hope it helps put peoples minds at rest. Although if you feel strongly about being scanned then by all means you should be allowed to refuse and opt for a pat-down. I've seen my image after one of these scans and to be honest you couldn't see enough to determine I was female!

In airports, passengers walk through metal detectors, which use a low-frequency electromagnetic field to look for metal objects. Anything that generates or uses electricity, such as power lines and household appliances, produces electromagnetic fields.

At the low levels of a metal detector, this exposure is considered safe for everyone, including pregnant women. The same holds true for the wands that are sometimes passed over individual passengers.

You may be worried that these screening machines take X-rays. Rest assured that they don't.

However, a new type of security scanner is now used in some airports. This is called a backscatter X-ray system. It gets its name from the type of technology that is used to create an image. The system sees through clothing, but not skin, to spot concealed items. It’s similar to the X-ray scanners used on your luggage at the airport.

Although it's called an X-ray system, it is safe for you to pass through one. Even 200 backscatter screenings wouldn’t expose you to enough radiation to affect you. This is similar to the amount you would be exposed to on a three-hour flight. While you're pregnant, you're very unlikely to fly so often that you need scanning frequently, anyway.

Many doctors and physicists disagree with you on this. And with the TSA. There will certainly be lawsuits. The x-ray scanners used to scan your luggage are encased by materials in order to contain the radiation because when they were made people were logical and intelligent enough to figure out that its not safe to be exposed, and it would hurt people. I realize we are exposed to radiation every day, but that doesn't mean we need to sign up for more (at questionably dangerous levels), senselessly. We should take notes from security at Ben Gurion Airport in Israel. They have ACTUAL security concerns as opposed to the media hyped terror fears of the US. They don't use scanners. They know there are better ways, like any private security company will tell you (except maybe the ones that sold the scanners to the government). There is no way I will submit myself to that while pregnant or possibly pregnant. And people should not have to. Nothing about it makes me feel safer at all. It just makes me annoyed and makes me think the government has found yet another way to abuse the populace in the name of terrorism.



 
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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 07:49 AM   26
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"There have never been more reasons NOT to visit the US, if my family weren't there, I would never go. Its becoming such an anti-social country..."

When was the last time Switzerland was the victim of a massive terror attack that killed thousands of people?!

Seriously this post is massively offensive.



 
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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 07:55 AM   27
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To be honest, there's more radiation coming from our mobile phones than from these scanners, and how many times a day do we use our phones, not to talk about the television etc. if these scanners held a serious threat, they would have been stopped long time ago. I would rather be scanned or 'touched down' than lose a family member or die myself due to a bomb. Anyway, to us all :-)



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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 08:26 AM   28
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Hey PocoHR,

Some doctors may disagree but I am a doctor and this is the advice I believe to be true. I can't find any evidence in the clinic or in research to suggest otherwise, but just because there is no evidence doesn't mean that these scanners are 100% safe. You should do what you believe to be safest for you and your baby and it is your right to of course.

i would be careful in what you suggest as it may be offensive or scare other girls needlessly



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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 09:20 AM   29
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Well said.



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Old Nov 25th, 2010, 13:11 PM   30
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I am not keen on the scanners.

There are issues, as it was the TSA and the manufacturer who vetted them on safety - not independent scientists.
Remember when big tobacco told us it was safe I would prefer outside evaluation.

There have been scientists in the US that say from the detailed gained in the scans the levels of radiation are probably 10/20 X what is being said. They of course have not been allowed to test the scanners - only based on the depth of the X-ray they stated their doubts Re the levels.
(the images shown in the media are not what the images look like in reality - they are less explicit)

You can opt out for the pat down - which is not body cavity but still rather personal. I will opt out of the scanner and take the grope and poke.

The scanners are of dubious benefit - all you have to do is put the explosives in an orfice to get through the scanners or swallow them.
Profiling, sniffer dogs and air puffer machines that pick up particles are safer and not invasive.

That said it is not the porno bit I object to but radiation - especially for those that need to fly frequently. And hey it is not just your eggs but OH's sperm as well....



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