Soy Isoflavones! Natures Clomid! - Page 753

Just_married · Apr 16th, 2012, 02:24 AM

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Most studies say that it is more beneficial to BD once a day. A while ago they used to say every 2nd day but now they've realised every day is best. I also don't know how long it takes for it.to.travel down the fallopian tube but once you've ovulated your egg starts to break down and is gone by 24hours later so the aim is to have lots of BD before Ov so the spermies cans catch a fresh newly released egg

AFM - 2nd day od temp rise signalling Ov so BD marathon is over and it's 2dpo and into the 2ww for me

Wish me luck it's my first preseed cycle.

I just read your reply, we went ahead anyway lol. That's interesting about everynight. He had to give an SA and refrain for 3-5 nights, apparently that gives optimum sample? Yet I've read a book by professor winston who said dtd every day as research has shown it's more likely to produce pregnancy. Also smep advises every other day and then every day for 3 days after +opk. Maybe everybody is different & it works for some and not others?
Fingers crossed for you and thanks for your advice xxx

I meant everyday during your fertile window which is basically what both those people say.

3-5days would probably give you the biggest reading which would be best in terms of sperm analysis. But i read somewhere in terms of TTC if you refrain for an extended period of time that first ejaculation is mostly full of dead spermies. I read somewhere that recommended BD once around 4 days before your fertile window BD marathon so by the time you start your marathon it's all fresh sperm and not over 4 days old. I think the people who are usually told to do BD less than every day are those whose hubbies have low sperm count so they REALLY need to build it up before BD.

You seem to know your stuff, I get you when u mean every day during fertile window, I think DH would wear himself out if it was constantly every night lol, even though he complains about only doing it every other day anyway. We tried every night for one cycle, by day 5 he physically couldn't manage it, which happened to be ovulation, I think that's when I decided to relax about it a bit more as don't want to make it about timing and ruin the spontaneity for me (he's said from the start he doesn't want to know when fertile days are).

Anyway, we will know next month what is best for us once SA results from February are back, then again, that's what his swimmers looked like 3 months before (and he's stopped alcohol since then too) so for all we know his February results could have changed in a big way since he gave that SA in.

Have subconsciously smepped this month on soy too, cycle 14 and AF due on our 1st anniversary. Good luck to all of you!

Betheney · Apr 16th, 2012, 03:28 AM

i'm only regurgitating what i've found on google. So for all we know it's hogswash. lol. Google isn't always very reliable.

Just_married · Apr 16th, 2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Betheney

i'm only regurgitating what i've found on google. So for all we know it's hogswash. lol. Google isn't always very reliable.

Regurgitate away! Research is so time consuming! It's good to share & compare! Xxx

Betheney · Apr 16th, 2012, 07:54 AM

hahahaha it's just that i'm an expert procrastinator with my Uni work (like this exact moment for example) and spend hours googling conception and babies rather than studying. Plus i wanted to know everything about everything when i was TTC #1 and i've been TTC#2 for a while now so i've been reading this info for so long and it's just all accumulating...

TTCBean · Apr 16th, 2012, 08:15 AM

Hey ladies I need some advice... I am on CD62 and I *think* AF is on her way either today or tomorrow. I want to start Soy Iso this cycle to help with ovulation (I don't on my own). I have my first Fertility Appointment on Friday, not sure what is going to happen, it's probably just an initial appointment to learn about me/my history. My ideal would be the doctor prescribing Clomid, but I can't see it with the first appointment (though I've had all tests under the sun they usually give you before prescribing). Anyway... if my period starts, should I start Soy Iso or wait it out?? What if I do take it and he prescribes me Clomid, can I take both? I have LONG cycles so I don't want to be out until mid-June if I don't make a decision and don't get either!

Betheney · Apr 16th, 2012, 08:48 AM

Clomid would be better than Soy, if AF arrive tomorrow (Tuesday) i would wait too see if he prescribes you clomid, if not start the Soy-iso asap on CD4, if he does then he'll probably tell you to take it right away, if he says to wait for the following cycle THEN i'd probably take the soy.

hopefulmom2 · Apr 16th, 2012, 20:18 PM

AF started Saturday full flow, so today would be CD 3 and I am planning on starting Soy tonight, cd 3-7, starting out with 120 mg then increasing to 200 by the last night.
CD3=120mg
CD4=160mg
CD5=160mg
CD6=200mg
CD7=200mg
Is that too high to start out with first cycle? I am also drinking Red raspberry leaf tea, which am only drinking one cup a day, thinking of starting baby aspirin but should talk with dr first? Not taking a prenatal yet, need to make an appointment to get bloodwork and stuff.

Betheney · Apr 16th, 2012, 20:23 PM

i drank 3 cups of RLT per day a few cycles back! stuff was awesome!!! my AF went from 3 days to about 6 obviously showing that it did indeed increase my lining. It also made all of my PMS and period pains DISAPPEAR!

hopefulmom2 · Apr 16th, 2012, 20:55 PM

I have a 5 day peroid anyway...Just hope that it works soon. I really wanted a summer 2013 Baby, but if it doesnt happen this cycle always next. and It did take a while to get pregnant last time, Hopefully will do whatever it takes. Thanks ladies, all of you are so helpful and fx for some bfps soon.

Just_married · Apr 17th, 2012, 01:14 AM

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AF started Saturday full flow, so today would be CD 3 and I am planning on starting Soy tonight, cd 3-7, starting out with 120 mg then increasing to 200 by the last night.
CD3=120mg
CD4=160mg
CD5=160mg
CD6=200mg
CD7=200mg
Is that too high to start out with first cycle? I am also drinking Red raspberry leaf tea, which am only drinking one cup a day, thinking of starting baby aspirin but should talk with dr first? Not taking a prenatal yet, need to make an appointment to get bloodwork and stuff.

Only my wee opinion, but 200mg is max, so if it's first time I would try a lower dose to see how you get on with side effects. The second time I took I tried a higher dose and had hellish nightmares on the nights I took it and ovulation pains were so severe that painkillers didn't work and I ended up in bed. This is my third dose this month, I went back down to lower dose and had no nightmares and just a little but of ov pain.

As I said, it's just my opinion, but once you've took it there's no going back as it affects that whole cycle, so personally I'd start lower

Fingers crossed for you xxx

Apr 16th, 2012, 03:28 AM	#7522
Betheney Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 5,349	i'm only regurgitating what i've found on google. So for all we know it's hogswash. lol. Google isn't always very reliable.

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Apr 16th, 2012, 07:54 AM	#7524
Betheney Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 5,349	hahahaha it's just that i'm an expert procrastinator with my Uni work (like this exact moment for example) and spend hours googling conception and babies rather than studying. Plus i wanted to know everything about everything when i was TTC #1 and i've been TTC#2 for a while now so i've been reading this info for so long and it's just all accumulating...

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Apr 16th, 2012, 08:15 AM	#7525
TTCBean Pregnant (Expecting) Chat Happy BnB Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,596	Hey ladies I need some advice... I am on CD62 and I think AF is on her way either today or tomorrow. I want to start Soy Iso this cycle to help with ovulation (I don't on my own). I have my first Fertility Appointment on Friday, not sure what is going to happen, it's probably just an initial appointment to learn about me/my history. My ideal would be the doctor prescribing Clomid, but I can't see it with the first appointment (though I've had all tests under the sun they usually give you before prescribing). Anyway... if my period starts, should I start Soy Iso or wait it out?? What if I do take it and he prescribes me Clomid, can I take both? I have LONG cycles so I don't want to be out until mid-June if I don't make a decision and don't get either!

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Apr 16th, 2012, 08:48 AM	#7526
Betheney Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 5,349	Clomid would be better than Soy, if AF arrive tomorrow (Tuesday) i would wait too see if he prescribes you clomid, if not start the Soy-iso asap on CD4, if he does then he'll probably tell you to take it right away, if he says to wait for the following cycle THEN i'd probably take the soy.

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Apr 16th, 2012, 20:18 PM	#7527
hopefulmom2 Trying to conceive (TTC) Active BnB Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Springfield, IL Posts: 162	AF started Saturday full flow, so today would be CD 3 and I am planning on starting Soy tonight, cd 3-7, starting out with 120 mg then increasing to 200 by the last night. CD3=120mg CD4=160mg CD5=160mg CD6=200mg CD7=200mg Is that too high to start out with first cycle? I am also drinking Red raspberry leaf tea, which am only drinking one cup a day, thinking of starting baby aspirin but should talk with dr first? Not taking a prenatal yet, need to make an appointment to get bloodwork and stuff.

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Apr 16th, 2012, 20:23 PM	#7528
Betheney Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 5,349	i drank 3 cups of RLT per day a few cycles back! stuff was awesome!!! my AF went from 3 days to about 6 obviously showing that it did indeed increase my lining. It also made all of my PMS and period pains DISAPPEAR!

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Apr 16th, 2012, 20:55 PM	#7529
hopefulmom2 Trying to conceive (TTC) Active BnB Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Springfield, IL Posts: 162	I have a 5 day peroid anyway...Just hope that it works soon. I really wanted a summer 2013 Baby, but if it doesnt happen this cycle always next. and It did take a while to get pregnant last time, Hopefully will do whatever it takes. Thanks ladies, all of you are so helpful and fx for some bfps soon.

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