Delivery method affects response to baby's cry - Page 3

WantingABubba · Mar 7th, 2012, 00:42 AM

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Originally Posted by iow_bird

And just cos I feel like I've not really explained what I'm trying to say very well, here's a link to a wonderful piece of writing (not research)! about c sections and the way you feel afterwards.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/1315...er_to_csection

I will read that when I get home

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I am not 'anti-c-section', but that doesn't mean that elective c-sections are good for Mum and baby.

I will post some links when I get home and on the laptop.

WantingABubba · Mar 7th, 2012, 00:48 AM

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Originally Posted by iow_bird

the comments beneath the article do however make interesting reading!
I think a lot of women who give birth naturally expect this massive surge of love like in the movies and don't get it, and then feel bad about it. I honestly don't think it's like that. I had an Oh Wow moment, but the it took time gettng to know my daughter over a few days before I got the whole massive surge of love. Don't get me wrong, I would have done anything to protect her just no massive "oh my god I love my baby" moment. I spoke to my Mum about it afterwards and she said she'd had the same experience as me and she had vaginal deliveries for both her pregnancies.

Maybe a more useful article would be one about not worrying if you don't feel the way you expect when your baby first comes out, it's quite normal to feel that way.

Also maybe it isn't the section which causes the "detachment". Many women who have a emergency section, have it at the end of a long or very traumatic labour. Many are worried and exhausted and have a had a shit time. My labour lasted 5days, and I had no sleep for 5 days prior to my section. I expect any woman who goes through that, whether it ends in a section or vaginal delivery will feel some sense of "detachment"

And, honey, that's completely normal! A situation like that is traumatic.

However, I don't think the article should have been about saying to Mums 'it's okay, it's normal' because there are plenty of articles out there that do just that. It IS important to look at the hormones in delivery and respect the biological aspect of delivery whether you've given birth through your vagina or your stomach.

Yes, not every woman gets that rush of love straightaway even with vaginal birth. I don't believe the article says that, it still makes sense that bonding occurs quicker 'naturally' than artificially. I'm sure there are other articles out there about it, and I'll dig some out when I get home.

iow_bird · Mar 7th, 2012, 02:53 AM

It doesn't always happen quicker naturally though, I think it depends more on how the woman feels about the labour.

Anyway, I'm not really disagreeing about the affect c-section has on bonding, just that this research is not well conducted (or at the very least not well reported by this article), and as such is useless!! In my opinion anyway. 1000 women would be a much better sample, as it would be "representitive" of the population. I can't be bothered to go into a massive statistical/research discussion, but 12 people is not enough to be saying something like this about.

I am honestly not taking this personally!

iow_bird · Mar 7th, 2012, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by WantingABubba

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Originally Posted by iow_bird

And just cos I feel like I've not really explained what I'm trying to say very well, here's a link to a wonderful piece of writing (not research)! about c sections and the way you feel afterwards.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/1315...er_to_csection

I will read that when I get home

.

I am not 'anti-c-section', but that doesn't mean that elective c-sections are good for Mum and baby.

I will post some links when I get home and on the laptop.

Ok, I'm assuming you mean elective as in "too posh to push"? Cos I think you'll find that most women opt for an elective c-section for very good reasons. I will be having an elective next time as it will be a lot better for myself and my child.

I'm not saying that there aren't good reasons to opt for a natural birth is possible, but for some women it is much better for them and their baby to have an elective for whatever reason. I would never ever advise anyone to go for a section just because they didn't feel like giving birth. ANd yes, women definately need to be informed about the risks and less attractive side of sections.

Not being rude, but I'm not really interested in other links, cos this one already fed the massive Mummy guilt monster than comes along when you have a baby (and that's something that happens however you give birth)!!!

lilyanne · Mar 7th, 2012, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by iow_bird

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Originally Posted by WantingABubba

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Originally Posted by iow_bird

And just cos I feel like I've not really explained what I'm trying to say very well, here's a link to a wonderful piece of writing (not research)! about c sections and the way you feel afterwards.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/1315...er_to_csection

I will read that when I get home

.

I am not 'anti-c-section', but that doesn't mean that elective c-sections are good for Mum and baby.

I will post some links when I get home and on the laptop.

Not being rude, but I'm not really interested in other links, cos this one already fed the massive Mummy guilt monster than comes along when you have a baby (and that's something that happens however you give birth)!!!

Agreed

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UC J · Mar 7th, 2012, 07:58 AM

Summary we agree the study is not crediable considering is based on only 12 individuals , am sure there are more of these types of studies out there that doesnt really hold water

WantingABubba · Mar 7th, 2012, 14:22 PM

I think I'm just gonna unsubscribe and be on my merry way. It's quite obvious to me that this is about 'guilt' rather than learning. I don't feel like I can say what I need to say, because then apparently, it's making people feel guilty.

We can't talk about formula/breast feeding, circumcision, spanking, CIO, disposable nappies because it makes people feel guilty

I think I'd be better off talking to people in NP

Take care, and good luck in your TTC journeys.

UC J · Mar 7th, 2012, 15:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WantingABubba

I think I'm just gonna unsubscribe and be on my merry way. It's quite obvious to me that this is about 'guilt' rather than learning. I don't feel like I can say what I need to say, because then apparently, it's making people feel guilty.

We can't talk about formula/breast feeding, circumcision, spanking, CIO, disposable nappies because it makes people feel guilty

I think I'd be better off talking to people in NP

Take care, and good luck in your TTC journeys.

Common lady, don’t be like that, of course you can voice your opinions that is why we are all here. In my opinion C-section shouldn’t even be done if there is no need or reason for it why would anybody prefer it anyways? considering the recovering time and everything else. But going back to the article which was about how you bond/respond to a baby based on the delivery method is ridiculous considering there were only 12 subjects to begin with and I am sure there are more than one of these 12-subjects studies unfortunately. Now if we are talking about hormones, how fast/ soon you breastfeed or hold your baby and CS that is a different topic. Yeah I may have felt a little sad after I had my son through CS because I had planned for a virginal delivery but he is here healthy and i am still in one piece ,I couldn't care less how he came out. I am sorry you felt you can’t voice your opinions on some issues but don’t run away

we learn through dialogue and that is what we are doing, we may not always agree but we are all learning

thestarsfall · Mar 7th, 2012, 15:54 PM

I feel on the defensive over the sample size, lol. Yeah, it is not a statistically sound sample size, but not all research needs to be super clinical with huge sample numbers. There are different types, and you can draw conclusions from each different type. They weren't trying to paint all birth experiences with just 2 brushes (csection or not), they simply did some testing and noted their results, which were interesting. There is no way that someone could do a perfect scientific study on birthing and bonding because each case is unique. However, don't throw out some science because the sample size is "too small." Case studies, for example, only have one subject...that is obviously the smallest sample size you could take, yet they still hold strength in research.

IMO I don't think the study was to prove anything or try to figure anything out in an overarching way for everyone, but more out of curiosity. And for their samples, there was a difference...

UC J · Mar 7th, 2012, 17:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thestarsfall

I feel on the defensive over the sample size, lol. Yeah, it is not a statistically sound sample size, but not all research needs to be super clinical with huge sample numbers. There are different types, and you can draw conclusions from each different type. They weren't trying to paint all birth experiences with just 2 brushes (csection or not), they simply did some testing and noted their results, which were interesting. There is no way that someone could do a perfect scientific study on birthing and bonding because each case is unique. However, don't throw out some science because the sample size is "too small." Case studies, for example, only have one subject...that is obviously the smallest sample size you could take, yet they still hold strength in research.

IMO I don't think the study was to prove anything or try to figure anything out in an overarching way for everyone, but more out of curiosity. And for their samples, there was a difference...

thestarsfall ,now why are you trying to start something?? LOL , but i see your point about different kind of studies and subject/s involved

Mar 7th, 2012, 02:53 AM	#23
iow_bird Mum (Mom) Active BnB Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 847	It doesn't always happen quicker naturally though, I think it depends more on how the woman feels about the labour. Anyway, I'm not really disagreeing about the affect c-section has on bonding, just that this research is not well conducted (or at the very least not well reported by this article), and as such is useless!! In my opinion anyway. 1000 women would be a much better sample, as it would be "representitive" of the population. I can't be bothered to go into a massive statistical/research discussion, but 12 people is not enough to be saying something like this about. I am honestly not taking this personally!

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UC J Waiting To Try (WTT) Active BnB Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 641	Summary we agree the study is not crediable considering is based on only 12 individuals , am sure there are more of these types of studies out there that doesnt really hold water

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Mar 7th, 2012, 14:22 PM	#27
WantingABubba Trying to conceive (TTC) BnB Addict Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,546	I think I'm just gonna unsubscribe and be on my merry way. It's quite obvious to me that this is about 'guilt' rather than learning. I don't feel like I can say what I need to say, because then apparently, it's making people feel guilty. We can't talk about formula/breast feeding, circumcision, spanking, CIO, disposable nappies because it makes people feel guilty I think I'd be better off talking to people in NP Take care, and good luck in your TTC journeys.

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Mar 7th, 2012, 15:54 PM	#29
thestarsfall Trying to conceive (TTC) Active BnB Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 334	I feel on the defensive over the sample size, lol. Yeah, it is not a statistically sound sample size, but not all research needs to be super clinical with huge sample numbers. There are different types, and you can draw conclusions from each different type. They weren't trying to paint all birth experiences with just 2 brushes (csection or not), they simply did some testing and noted their results, which were interesting. There is no way that someone could do a perfect scientific study on birthing and bonding because each case is unique. However, don't throw out some science because the sample size is "too small." Case studies, for example, only have one subject...that is obviously the smallest sample size you could take, yet they still hold strength in research. IMO I don't think the study was to prove anything or try to figure anything out in an overarching way for everyone, but more out of curiosity. And for their samples, there was a difference...

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