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Old Nov 6th, 2012, 07:33 AM   41
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I have just had my weaning visit and the recommended age is still 6 months and is staying that way. We have started weaning Oliver now (ony just started) and I can tell you this time last month he was no where near ready. Like summer rain said there have been rumours going round for years about the weaning age going back to 4 months and nothing has changed yet. Summerrain is not tring to mak mum's feel bad for weaning at 4 months it is simply trying to make sure false information isn't given out so mums think they have to wean at 4 months x



 
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Old Nov 6th, 2012, 08:15 AM   42
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I have just had my weaning visit and the recommended age is still 6 months and is staying that way. We have started weaning Oliver now (ony just started) and I can tell you this time last month he was no where near ready. Like summer rain said there have been rumours going round for years about the weaning age going back to 4 months and nothing has changed yet. Summerrain is not tring to mak mum's feel bad for weaning at 4 months it is simply trying to make sure false information isn't given out so mums think they have to wean at 4 months x
Thank you that's exactly why I posted. Those who claim the weaning age is going back to four months also claim that you have to start solids at exactly 4 months or it could be harmful for baby or mean they will be a fussy eater for life, there is nowhere in the world where the guideline is you have to start at 4 months 'or else', in some countries it is anytime between 4-6 months but these lobbyists want the age to be changed to exactly 17 weeks for all babies. This is wrong, and there are no credible studies to support this stance. Many babies simply are not ready at 17 weeks and there is evidence that the gut is not fully closed until 6 months xx



 
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Old Nov 6th, 2012, 09:47 AM   43
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I have heard this too and agree with most of the comments about it being the parents decision regardless of what the guidelines say. My daughter is 17 weeks on Thursday and we'll be starting her on baby rice at the weekend. This is a decision both me and my husband have made together.

Unfortunately this topic will also spark a debate, just like the BF vs FF topic does but no matter what, as a parent we make the decision based on what is right for our babies.

Kirsty x



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I started solids at 4 months exactly and my son was more than ready. I did a lot of research and was more than comfortable with my decision. The United States guidelines are 4-6 months so I don't follow NHS guidelines.



 
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Old Nov 7th, 2012, 19:36 PM   45
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We also started at 4 months due to LO's lack of weight gain on breast milk and his refusal to drink enough. For us it was the only way to gain weight. I'm not saying that it's the best solution for every baby, but for some, early introduction to solids is best!



 
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I read a book which gave a very interesting account of the change to guidelines in 2003. I'll summarise as best as I can below:

* the World Health Organisation (WHO) advise weaning should commence at 6 months, this is due to poor hygiene in developing countries.
* WHO do however accept that waiting until 6 months can be detrimental to some babies and lead to nutrient deficiencies, particularly Iron and that babies should be managed individually.
* a lot of health experts do in fact believe that weaning between 4 & 6 months is best in more developed countries such as the uk.
* all experts agree that weaning before 4 months is not advisable and weaning prior to then is in fact when babies are more likely to develope problems.
* the WHO guidelines came out in 2001, at the time the Department if Health (DOH) in the UK guidelines were to not offer solids before 4 months for the majority if babies & a mixed diet should be offered by 6 months. These guidelines however were misunderstood with most people believing 4 months was the latest age to start weaning. This lead to 85% if babies in the uk in 2000 having solids before 4 months.
* as detailed above all experts are against weaning before 4 months therefore the DOH changed its guidelines to 6 months, however it also says "all infants are individuals and require a flexible approach".
* also in the guidelines is the advice that all babies need solids from 6 months as milk does not provide all nutrients babies require.
* since changing their guidelines the number of babies weaned prior to 4 months in the uk has reduced to 50%.

So in a nutshell, it can be bad for babies to be weaned before 4 months after which babies should be treated individually but ALL should start weaning by 6 months to ensure they do not become nutritionally deficient.

The book is Weaning Made Easy by Dr Rana Conway (PhD, RPHNutr) in case anyone wishes to read in more detail.

Personally I chose to start weaning at 18 weeks as my ds had string queues, already sitting up alone with all other cues and I prefer to take a gradual approach introducing different foods gradually rather than bombarding his digestive system with everything from 6 months. In my personal opinion I think that could cause more digestive problems.



 
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I have just had my weaning visit and the recommended age is still 6 months and is staying that way. We have started weaning Oliver now (ony just started) and I can tell you this time last month he was no where near ready. Like summer rain said there have been rumours going round for years about the weaning age going back to 4 months and nothing has changed yet. Summerrain is not tring to mak mum's feel bad for weaning at 4 months it is simply trying to make sure false information isn't given out so mums think they have to wean at 4 months x
Thank you that's exactly why I posted. Those who claim the weaning age is going back to four months also claim that you have to start solids at exactly 4 months or it could be harmful for baby or mean they will be a fussy eater for life, there is nowhere in the world where the guideline is you have to start at 4 months 'or else', in some countries it is anytime between 4-6 months but these lobbyists want the age to be changed to exactly 17 weeks for all babies. This is wrong, and there are no credible studies to support this stance. Many babies simply are not ready at 17 weeks and there is evidence that the gut is not fully closed until 6 months xx

I was sharing information i was given by my babies consultant, and not once have i said you have to start solids at 4 months, i didnt start Amelia u til 19 weeks and even then that was because shes 19lb in weight and milk is just not filling her!

Your entitled to your own opinion but what position do you hold that allows u to say im giving out false information?

Many people on this forum wean at 17 weeks for there own reasons and any mention of this in any post and theyre jumped on from all angles!

This was simply me passing on information like ive said precviously, i wasnt looking for a debate and as this is clearly turning into one can the mods lock this thread please?



 
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I read a book which gave a very interesting account of the change to guidelines in 2003. I'll summarise as best as I can below:

* the World Health Organisation (WHO) advise weaning should commence at 6 months, this is due to poor hygiene in developing countries.
* WHO do however accept that waiting until 6 months can be detrimental to some babies and lead to nutrient deficiencies, particularly Iron and that babies should be managed individually.
* a lot of health experts do in fact believe that weaning between 4 & 6 months is best in more developed countries such as the uk.
* all experts agree that weaning before 4 months is not advisable and weaning prior to then is in fact when babies are more likely to develope problems.
* the WHO guidelines came out in 2001, at the time the Department if Health (DOH) in the UK guidelines were to not offer solids before 4 months for the majority if babies & a mixed diet should be offered by 6 months. These guidelines however were misunderstood with most people believing 4 months was the latest age to start weaning. This lead to 85% if babies in the uk in 2000 having solids before 4 months.
* as detailed above all experts are against weaning before 4 months therefore the DOH changed its guidelines to 6 months, however it also says "all infants are individuals and require a flexible approach".
* also in the guidelines is the advice that all babies need solids from 6 months as milk does not provide all nutrients babies require.
* since changing their guidelines the number of babies weaned prior to 4 months in the uk has reduced to 50%.

So in a nutshell, it can be bad for babies to be weaned before 4 months after which babies should be treated individually but ALL should start weaning by 6 months to ensure they do not become nutritionally deficient.

The book is Weaning Made Easy by Dr Rana Conway (PhD, RPHNutr) in case anyone wishes to read in more detail.

Personally I chose to start weaning at 18 weeks as my ds had string queues, already sitting up alone with all other cues and I prefer to take a gradual approach introducing different foods gradually rather than bombarding his digestive system with everything from 6 months. In my personal opinion I think that could cause more digestive problems.
I'm sorry but what that author has said in that book is full of half truths. The big reason for the WHO originally changing the guideline was not due to hygiene issues in developing countries, this is a myth that is commonly bandied around but it has no basis. Of the studies used to decide changing the weaning age recommendation to six months, the majority were from developed countries including the US and UK. Also the WHO do not say that waiting until six months carries a risk of certain health risks again I have looked into this and they simply do not. The UK government recently reviewed their guidelines and looked at studies the vast majority of them from developed countries and many more recent than 2003. Some of these studies did recommend weaning at 4 months, however the government decided to keep the age at 6 months as they felt the evidence for that was stronger from their own research. The original reasoning for them changing the age to 6 months is no longer applicable because new research has come up since which has shown the government 6 months is optimum. Personally I'd rather follow the government after all they have looked at hundreds if not thousands of studies conducted by hundreds of doctors just like the author you mention. Why follow just one author ultimately they are not going to give the full picture? Xx



 
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I have just had my weaning visit and the recommended age is still 6 months and is staying that way. We have started weaning Oliver now (ony just started) and I can tell you this time last month he was no where near ready. Like summer rain said there have been rumours going round for years about the weaning age going back to 4 months and nothing has changed yet. Summerrain is not tring to mak mum's feel bad for weaning at 4 months it is simply trying to make sure false information isn't given out so mums think they have to wean at 4 months x
Thank you that's exactly why I posted. Those who claim the weaning age is going back to four months also claim that you have to start solids at exactly 4 months or it could be harmful for baby or mean they will be a fussy eater for life, there is nowhere in the world where the guideline is you have to start at 4 months 'or else', in some countries it is anytime between 4-6 months but these lobbyists want the age to be changed to exactly 17 weeks for all babies. This is wrong, and there are no credible studies to support this stance. Many babies simply are not ready at 17 weeks and there is evidence that the gut is not fully closed until 6 months xx

I was sharing information i was given by my babies consultant, and not once have i said you have to start solids at 4 months, i didnt start Amelia u til 19 weeks and even then that was because shes 19lb in weight and milk is just not filling her!

Your entitled to your own opinion but what position do you hold that allows u to say im giving out false information?

Many people on this forum wean at 17 weeks for there own reasons and any mention of this in any post and theyre jumped on from all angles!

This was simply me passing on information like ive said precviously, i wasnt looking for a debate and as this is clearly turning into one can the mods lock this thread please?
You said your consultant said that weaning had to commence at 4 months exactly and had you not already started you should do so immediately, unless you're exaggerating what he said then that indicates that you're trying to get the message out that if your baby is 4 months then weaning must be started ASAP. I am not the only poster who thought this. Xx



 
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Old Nov 8th, 2012, 23:51 PM   50
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He said the guidelines were changing back to 4 months and after sering her on a daily basis for 2 weeks between 17 and 19 weeks he knew how hungry she was, and it wasnt until just short of 20 weeks when he told me to start but i already had been for a few days anyway. Every baby is different and he probably told me about my lo because he had seen what she was like. There guidelines and if it does change to 4 months it doesnt mean at exactly 4 months to the day, its a guide, just like most babys dont start weaning atm at dead on 6 months!



 
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