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Old Jun 4th, 2018, 23:24 PM   1
DobbyForever
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Help moving to next stage of food (10m)


Long story short, my son loves to eat. Starting to help me with his spoon, always has to know what people are eating, good at picking things up, knows to gum things, blah blah.

BUT he literally vomited EVERYWHERE when I feed him stage 3 purees or will refuse to eat until I get stage 2

He will only eat wheat toast. Heíll gum the puffs then spit them out.

But he refuses to eat anything I give him. Iíve tried all the fruits and veggies and proteins he loved in purťe form. Iíve offered him scrambled eggs and table foods that seem ok. Nothing.

Iíve been driving myself crazy buying and tossing food or dying watching him puke all over himself to the point no bib helps and we just end up changing and bathing. I feel like he is not ready but iím getting pressure all around that at his age he should be eating finger foods

Idk what to do =\

*He cannot have dairy (cuz he has mild reactions to it) or sugar (cuz iím Mean)



 
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Old Jun 5th, 2018, 10:41 AM   2
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I would just persist with offering him finger foods and try not to worry if he actually consumes anything. It's more about developing the coordination for eating and tasting the different flavours and getting used to different textures and not so much about the consumption of the food. Breastmilk/formula should be his main source of nutrition for the first year with solid foods being secondary so I wouldn't worry too much about actual consumption of the foods. But I would definitely make sure you are offering finger foods at every meal (in combination with purees if you still want to offer those too but I would just ditch those altogether and offer him regular food especially if the purees are making him vomit). I don't know much about purees and the different stages, but I'm assuming the textures get lumpier or something as the stages go on? I would guess that he is just vomiting because his gag reflex is getting triggered because he is not really used to more textured food, and that probably won't improve unless he's given the opportunity to practice. In babies the gag reflex is initially triggered really far forward on the tongue as a way of protecting their airway, but as they get more used to having food in the mouth the trigger for gagging "moves" farther back on the tongue and the gagging reduces/stops. At the end of the day you are his mom so do what you feel comfortable with, but I would say that at over 10 months old he should definitely be getting used to finger foods. If I were in this situation my biggest concern would just be the possibility of him turning into a super picky toddler (as opposed to this being a nutrition concern) so would want him getting used to the different textures as early as possible.

P.S. It's not mean for him to not have sugar! My DS is 11 months old and has never had sugar, my 2.5 year old has only ever had it a handful of times at birthday parties! She sometimes asks for "happy birthday juice" because she knows it's just a special treat for when she's at a party.



 
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Old Jun 5th, 2018, 11:12 AM   3
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I agree with PP. Eat when he eats and eat the same foods you are offering him; that way he has someone to copy (chewing and swallowing etc) and know this stuff is food to be eaten, as up till now food has not had all these shapes and textures, food to him is something that looks mushy. Some smooth purees can almost be drunk rather than eaten so he may have attempted to "drink" a chunky puree and gagged on a lump which made him vomit. From what I recall the regular gagging lasts a few weeks but they learn quickly, so the more you offer the more quickly he'll learn. If you put it off till he's older the pressure will only be worse as he'll be needing the nutrition from food but puree wont be appropriate. Bite the bullet and offer family food/finger food with every meal while he's still at an age where you can be confident he's still getting nutrition from breastmilk/formula.

In addition, the more food he can touch with his hands before he puts it in his mouth the better. Children get information about the texture, shape, hardness of food from feeling it with their hand (if I squish this will it crumble or splat or be so hard it wont squish at all?) and this helps them know how to deal with it in their mouth. Again lumpy food on a spoon wont give him that info - has has literally no idea what he's getting.



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Old Jun 5th, 2018, 20:20 PM   4
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In addition, the more food he can touch with his hands before he puts it in his mouth the better. Children get information about the texture, shape, hardness of food from feeling it with their hand (if I squish this will it crumble or splat or be so hard it wont squish at all?) and this helps them know how to deal with it in their mouth. Again lumpy food on a spoon wont give him that info - has has literally no idea what he's getting.
It's interesting you pointed this out because my husband was just commenting on our 11 month old and the way he accepts food on a spoon. He mostly self feeds, but we very occasionally spoon feed if it's something like soup. Every time we put a spoon in front of him, DS will push it away so he can look at what's on the spoon, then grab it off the spoon with his hand and squish it around a bit, then lick it off his hand/fingers, then once he has finished his investigation he will just happily open his mouth and accept whatever it is that we are trying to feed him for the rest of the meal, although lately he just takes the spoon from us and puts it in his mouth himself.



 
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Old Jun 5th, 2018, 23:43 PM   5
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Thanks ladies!

My biggest concern is the picky eating. He is not shy about flavors. I worked really hard to expose him to a wide range of fruits, veggies, and proteins. But yeah the texture. Especially since when he goes back to daycare to the toddler room he will be expected to eat their school food.

The chunks never make it far back enough to gag him. He gums then on the side of his mouth then spits them out and refuses to keep eating. It’s these shredded weird things. It’s like having a hair caught on his tongue then he gags and before I can do anything vomit everywhere.

His pediatrician said her son was the same way until 13 months but ugh so hard not to stress. I have no idea what I am do. I try all the suggestions online and in books and it doesn’t work. I just feel like a failure



 
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Old Jun 6th, 2018, 01:20 AM   6
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I kept offering my daughter Gerber puffs, and eventually she got the hang of it. From there we gradually started giving her more and more bits of food from the table. She still often holds some types of solids in her mouth without swallowing after chewing on it for a bit.

When we transitioned from purťes only to more textures, we started offering her mushy rice that we cook with some meat and carrot (which we pull out after cooking and then mix back in finely chopped). We used extra water to make it more mushy in the beginning, or I thinned it out by mixing in purťed zucchini or cauliflower that we make at home. Overtime, I gradually made it a little more and more thicker.



 
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Old Jun 6th, 2018, 11:01 AM   7
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He gums then on the side of his mouth then spits them out and refuses to keep eating. Itís these shredded weird things. Itís like having a hair caught on his tongue then he gags and before I can do anything vomit everywhere.
That does sound pretty gross; I don't think I'd fancy eating food with stringy bits in. Maybe avoid chunky baby food and just offer family food that doesn't have this odd texture. Their gag reflex is really far forward at first so having a stringy thing that he can't properly chew or swallow stuck on his tongue could definitely make him gag (not choke - that's different) and then throw up. The thought of that being stuck on my tongue is making me feel a bit sick tbh!!



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Old Jun 6th, 2018, 13:22 PM   8
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You're not a failure! It sounds like you are just over thinking things. I would just keep it simple, offer him whatever food you are eating (other than obvious things like super hard foods that you need teeth to chew like almonds or other whole nuts). Let him play, taste, etc without worrying if he eats anything. At the end of the meal if you want to you can top him up with some puree, but I would personally just eliminate the puree altogether which will encourage him to eat the real foods. It might take a while for him to get it but view it as an experience for all his senses rather than him simply needing to consume food. The gagging stage is totally normal and with both my kids only lasted a week or two.



 
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Old Jun 6th, 2018, 17:04 PM   9
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Personally, Iíd completely cut the purees. Weaning is about exploring flavours and textures, and it isnít really possible when the food is textureless and the flavours are mixed together.

My daughter is a fantastic eater, mainly because we only ever fed her the same food as what we had. The only exception was if we were having dairy in our meal - then she got a purťe.

She is 2.5 now and literally eats anything. Iím trying to think of a food that she dislikes and I literally canít think of anything. Itís great that you have exposed him to a range of flavours from a young age!

Iím trying to remember what she ate at 10 months. We actually saw a dietician when she was that age, who explained that a) food is fun before 1, and b) young children regulate their appetite over a week, unlike adults who regulate their appetite each day. So most adults eat the same amount of food each day, whereas toddlers can go two days on basically nothing but over the course of a week they get the correct amount. Itís definitely true of our daughter - some days she only has breakfast and maybe a few tomatoes and some cold meat, other days she eats two (adult sized!) bowls of porridge, fruit, two boiled eggs and two slices of toast with asparagus and ham, then another snack, then eats the same as us at dinner and still wants a snack before bed!

Good ideas for finger foods at that age, which are fun for them to feel the texture of and maybe try and eat:
-Fruit, cut into thick chip shapes. Dd loved banana but it was so gross to see her eat it! You could give him a spoon and let him mash it?
-toast soldiers and an egg
-peas and sweetcorn
-asparagus
-yoghurt (there are lots of good dairy free yoghurts!)
-cold meat
Pitta bread pizza fingers(again, there are dairy free cheeses)
- pasta in a light sauce, dd loved tuna pasta with mayo, peas and sweetcorn at that age (she still does!)



 
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Old Jun 6th, 2018, 20:01 PM   10
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Thanks. I’ll cut purees out. It’s just hard because i’m A single mom. So I do try to feed him table food when I am eating, but during the week I am on my own. I’m lucky if I eat dinner. Double lucky if that dinner isn’t something pre packaged. And there’s no chance of touching any food before he goes to sleep for the night. But on the weekends I visit my mom so we always make sure his high chair is at the table and he eats with us and he is great out so he’s there chilling and eating too.

Plus it’s hard because he goes to daycare while I work so I feel guilty sending food he won’t eat

And then I feel bad because if he doesn’t eat enough he doesn’t sleep plus he was SGA and is only 20th in weight

Just lots of Mom guilt in general because I had a baby with a psychopathic narcissist

BUT i only have 8 more work days this school year so we have all summer to work it out

And it just sucks we hit so many health obstacles and issues nobody in my family ever dealt with so they don’t know how to help or they don’t understand i am just spent



 
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