Milton Keynes Hospital scares me!

No I am not considering homebirth for 3 reasons

1) Havent really bought into the Midwive lead care.
( I think they are glorified citizens, they are not even fully qualified nurses.
Personally feel like they are the old wives in villages.
I know not many feel this way, dont mind being chided abt this opinion of mine.
but I dont feel safe with midwives )

2) If something goes wrong then I have to get to the hospital and PRECIOUS time will be wasted in the call-wait-transit-wait to checkin and all that. Dont have the heart to handle it all that wait if my baby is in trouble.

3) I will most certainly need an epidural. I am not a heroic mom who can go with TENS and gas and air or just pethidine.

I dont think there is any advantage in home birth and think all the touted advantages are too foksy for me to buy into it!.

Sorry if thats not your opinion.

I totally appreicate that you won't have a home birth. I, for the same reason wouldn't have one (although you're not allowed to have one here), because I would want immediate medical care if it was needed during or after the labour.

But in regards to everything else you say; your attitude actually annoys me. Midwives are more thoroughly trained than nurses, and you say they haven't even had nursing training? Where on earth do you get that from? Midwives are trained and experienced nurses before they can even go on to become a midwife. When they want to do so they have to go into studies all over again to be able to specialise in midwifery. Your facts are seriously inaccurate, and you shouldn't be spouting them as gospel, because some other women on here will believe them and lose faith in their antenatal care. Where do I get my informaiton from? My MIL who is a retired midwife. She did all that training that you say is non existent.

As for you "needing an epidural", that's total crap. You've lost the fight before it's begun. By that I mean that if you go in there with a defeatist attitude, the pain will defeat you. You don't even know the pain yet; how can you tell you will need an epidural? Go in there with an open mind and you might surprise yourself.

I'll tell you this; I had an ingrowing toenail for many years. I had it operated on many times, but it kept coming back. I was terrible with the pain. I could hardly walk, I would limp. When I would get it seen by a doctor, I would cry with pain because they would touch it and pain throbbed through me. People laughed at me, and several doctors told me I had a "very low pain threshold". I dreaded labour when I got pregnant. I thought that if my pain threshold was laughably low, I would never get through labour without an epidural.

I went into labour, dilated really fast with really painful contractions. I contracted in the bath. All I had was warm water and Gas & Air. Let me tell you; gas & air does nothing for the pain. You still feel it, but you don't care that you feel it, because it makes you high. But it's still painful. The midwives kept asking if I was okay on the pain relief I had, or whether I wanted more. I said I was okay. I wanted to save my epi for when it got really bad.

Turns out I coulnd't have it at all, because I was fully dilated and I had to start pushing. Me, the person with the stupidly low pain threshold was a trooper through labour. Don't ever say you're not the heroic type of mum, because you don't know what you're capable of until you get there. From the horse's mouth.

You're slightly wrong. You can train as a nurse then do another year to get a mw degree too but you can just do a 3 year MW course without doing nursing.
Mentioned in my last post that perhaps it's changed now, but pretty sure it was the case when my MIL was training. They will still be taught nursing care though; you can't just go from zero to hero without basic nursing knowledge :shrug: I personally value midwives head and shoulders above doctors when it comes to pregnancy and childbirth. Doctors in the UK don't have a clue, because they're not the ones dealing with it. Go to the States and it's a differnet scenario; a doctor will deliver the majority of babies. But it's not the case in the UK.
 
MWs are MWs, not nursing so no, they don't need to learn basic nursing things, they learn basic MW things. Some of it is the same, a lot of it isn't.
 
BTW, going back to the point of the thread; you replied to my first post that the case of the baby that died was ruled as gross negligence (or something). Did they have the people in question sacked and struck off? If so, I guess at least they won't be there looking after your baby.

But look, I don't know much about MK hospital. I agree with everyone else that you should just go elsewhere if you have doubts in their capabilities. At the end of the day your baby is your entire life. And if it comes down to it, you want to be somewhere that you feel they can give best care to your baby.
 
MWs are MWs, not nursing so no, they don't need to learn basic nursing things, they learn basic MW things. Some of it is the same, a lot of it isn't.
I totally agree, but things like giving jabs, resuscitation, giving out medication, diagnosing problems etc should all be included in MW training. If it's not, then there's something seriously wrong with the system :wacko:
 
sam#3 -> Thanks for sharing your opinion! Based in all the information I got from UK goverment websites and personal experiences and a classmate who is a consultant Gynagolegist ( though not more than 5% of info from her) I have formed the opinion that I have. Sorry that its not the same as yours and I will leave it at that.

Pls remember I am not trying to judge midwifery as a profession. All I am doing is looking out for the best care for my precious little baby and throughly shaken everytime by the MK news paper articles I read week in and week out!
 
of course it is. Like I said, some of the things are the same but a lot is not. Like a MW isn't going to know about broken bones like an orthopaedic nurse or about heart problems like a cardio nurse, but they aren't going to know how to deliver a baby.
 
Lara310809 -> No, the negligent staff were not fired.

NONE WERE FIRED! "LESSONS WERE LEARNT" !!!!!

Sorry for the caps! I feel VERY intensely abt this issue.

WHO CARE ABT LESSONS AND LITIGATION after a baby is dead or a mother is dead!.
 
judging midwifery as a profession is precisely what you did... and fair enough it is your opinion but it doesnt change the fact that you are WRONG!
 
Lara310809 -> No, the negligent staff were not fired.

NONE WERE FIRED! "LESSONS WERE LEARNT" !!!!!

Sorry for the caps! I feel VERY intensely abt this issue.

WHO CARE ABT LESSONS AND LITIGATION after a baby is dead or a mother is dead!.
That's unacceptable. In a situation like that they should be dismissed and struck off. Though the fact that they weren't suggests there is more to the story than has been made public. Still, I can see why you don't have faith in them. Do you have any birthing centres nearer to your home? They have pain relief available, but if your baby has an emergency, they woudl still need to sned you to the nearest hospital, so probably not ideal for you. Just make sure you leave with plenty of time if you're travelling to the next hospital down the road.
 
Hi again.
I found this and thought it might be useful to you...

https://www.miltonkeynes.nhs.uk/ass...ernity MK/A44006 MK Maternity Leaflet NEW.pdf

Like I said in my previous post, my experience at mk was ok... Same with a number of friends who have birthed there and my sister in law... All quite happy with their experiences, even before the improvements that have recently been made.

You have to do what feels right for you, but gather as much info as you can first... Then decide. Good luck.
 
judging midwifery as a profession is precisely what you did... and fair enough it is your opinion but it doesnt change the fact that you are WRONG!

Sorry you think my opinion is wrong! I am going to continue with the thought that I am right! Some responses have helped me approach the whole issue in a modified light. Most responses (for or opposite to mine) have contributed to what I am going to take away from this thread session. (Thanks guys, much appreciated!) Your insider view being a MW did help and thanks for that. I think I will leave it at that.
 
Lara310809 -> The medical chart of the baby "went missing" and apparently staff synced up their stories too.

There is another which I read recently in London paper abt a family in Redbridge where both the mother and child died due to heavy blood loss caused by the mother's torn uterus.

Hmmm! Anyway at this point I dont recall every detail of each individual case from the other, MK to national stories, and all have become one, but the lessons learnt is things like this happen and we got to be really cautious and careful and vigilant and discerning and not blindly judge anyone in the position of trust and authority.
 
Thanks for replying.

No I am not considering homebirth for 3 reasons

1) Havent really bought into the Midwive lead care.
( I think they are glorified citizens, they are not even fully qualified nurses.
Personally feel like they are the old wives in villages.
I know not many feel this way, dont mind being chided abt this opinion of mine.
but I dont feel safe with midwives )

2) If something goes wrong then I have to get to the hospital and PRECIOUS time will be wasted in the call-wait-transit-wait to checkin and all that. Dont have the heart to handle it all that wait if my baby is in trouble.

3) I will most certainly need an epidural. I am not a heroic mom who can go with TENS and gas and air or just pethidine.

I dont think there is any advantage in home birth and think all the touted advantages are too foksy for me to buy into it!.

Sorry if thats not your opinion.

Firstly I am not here for a slanging match nor am i in this forum in my midwifery capacity. I am here as a first time mummy to be who enjoys the friendly nature of this forum with other mums in the same boat. How upsetting it is then to read such unkind and unfair comments about midwives in general. Please remember that many midwives who are mum's to be also use this forum and please think of their feelings before making derogatory comments. You are entitled to your opinion but you said yourself you don't like confrontation and so maybe you could phrase your opinions a little more sensitively especially as everyone is a little hormonal at the moment!!!
Firstly I can guarentee I am not an "old wife from the village" as you so kindly put it. My OH may disagree however!!!! I am a senior midwife with 9 years experience who slogged her guts out for 4 years to get a degree to be a midwife (the course is now 3 years). I did not train as a nurse beforehand. You have emphasised this fact many times but why should a midwife be a nurse first. Pregnant women are not ill patients generally. The patients nurses care for are ill. Midwives are trained in their field and nurses are trained in their speciality which is unwell people. If pregnant or labouring women become ill we work closely alongside obstetricians who assist with their care when required. Midwives are specialists in low risk care of women and their babies. They do an appropriate level of nursing training in their course to gain skills that assist them in their work.
Your comment about lazy/incompetant midwives was very harsh. I am passionate about my job. I certainly didnt go in it for the money! I don't want a medal and nor do i feel like a "glorified citizen" as you put it but i put my heart and soul into supporting women in gaining the birth experience they are entitled too and ensure the safety of both mother and baby. I get so much joy from my job and I can assure you that no midwife can be lazy in the hospital climate presently. Its all go 24/7 but i wouldn't do it if i didn't get an immense satisfaction from the job itself. Most of the midwives I have met feel a strong sense of duty to all their women and babies (they are not old wives either...well mostly :haha:)and feel so lucky to have such great collegues. My baby is the most precious thing to me too and this is why i am entrusting my care to my lovely midwife collegues.
Please remember the press always publish stories to sell papers so you will very rarely hear about happy successful births and outcomes that happen all day every day all over the country. I really feel that in your heart you don't feel confident about MK hospital (i cannot comment as I dont know the hospital myself) but if this is the case you must change to a hospital where you won't be worrying every day. I worry that you seem to be focusing on everything going wrong with your pregnancy. Try and reassure yourself you are not ill, there is no reason for your baby to delivery prematurely and try and focus on the joy of having your baby growing inside of you. If problems arise you will be put in contact with your highly knowledgeable consultant who is the specialist there and plans will be made with you to ensure you and your baby are safe.
Sorry about this very long post. Although i feel you have been quite rude in some of your comments the main reason for my post is to reassure you midwives are adequately trained otherwise they would not be able to practice. I feel at 6 months pregnant, you probably haven't had a lot of midwife contact yet so i hope your views change as you realise what midwives can offer you in at this important trasition to motherhood. Feel free to PM me anytime if you have any questions or if i can help with any of your worries.
 
jakemybaby -> Thanks a bunch! I did send them a email about 2/3 months ago, but still havent got a response. So I went ahead and did register to MK Primary Care Trust Foundation and get all their board meeting agendas, actions and committee meeting minutes and such adminstration and operations statistics and report.

These reports do say that they are improving, things are in progress, but also that there is a shortgage of midwives and they are training new MW and also that Sept/Oct are their busiest months for delivery and that they are running above capacity. It is a very interesting read and learning/educational process.

All well and good, but the minute I read/hear my local news paper and see that another baby/mother was hurt/dead then I get shaken and upset! A little kiddish perhaps after all the mature information gathering I do, still I think I can be allowed some irrationality and blame it on hormones? :)
 
MWs are MWs, not nursing so no, they don't need to learn basic nursing things, they learn basic MW things. Some of it is the same, a lot of it isn't.
I totally agree, but things like giving jabs, resuscitation, giving out medication, diagnosing problems etc should all be included in MW training. If it's not, then there's something seriously wrong with the system :wacko:

You seem to forget that midwifes ONLY deal with uncomplicated pregnancies and deliveries. If there was a situation needing resuscitation, diagnosing, prescribing drugs, etc - then a consultant would be involved - and that works really well, because the vast majority of pregnancies are UNcomplicated that do not need a specialist input. If you were to train all the midwifes to do the job of a consultant, then we wouldn't need the midwifes, and just employ the consultants but the NHS would go completely bunkcrupt.
 
Jakemybaby -> You know what was the most damming part of the MK PCT report and other surveys, the employee satisfation of the MW's were an all time low, so many MW's are leaving the job or moving to other practice/consortium/PCT/private and that a huge % of them have no job satisfaction and feel overworked and would quit the profession if they had a chance.

While I feel really bad for them that they do not enjoy their job, that worries me a lot w.r.t to babies. If this was anyother non-health related profession or non-baby involved profession then none of this wud bother/alarm me becuase its the norm, but since its child and life and death related profession it bothers me much more than what the statistics generally shd do!
 
You need to know the entire story before you start to worry. If this story is true, then surely the people that dealt with the mother and baby would have been suspended, sacked, struck off etc. If not, you have to ask yourself why. The press are always mixing things up, only telling one side of the story (usually the side that will be guaranteed to shock people) and neglect to present a balanced argument.



Please don't focus on the epidural alone. I was determined to have one, but I managed the entire labour without. I was abotu to ask for one when my waters broke and I was fully dilated. I had to push without pain relief. I managed it. If it comes down to it, you will too.

I don't want to sound mean, but you have to have faith in yourself. Labour isn't all about the epi. I thought it was, and I got homed in on that, when I shouldn't have done. People have done this for millions of years without epis. You have to wait until you get the pain and then see what happens with your threshold. You may be like me and get through it better than you thoght you would

I fully intended to stay out of this, but to lecture her because she has decided she wants an epidural with the argument that women gave birth for millions of years without them just irks the crap out of me - they also used to give women c-sections without epidurals too, and it was widely believed that putting a knife under the bed would " cut the pain in two" Just because this was the standard of care so long ago does not mean it should be now, and to talk down to someone because they don't want to "give it a try" is rude. She knows her body, how about you make the choices for your body, she makes the choices for hers? :thumbup:
 
LoubyLou79 -> I really wish and pray I get a MW like you when its time for me to deliver! But I honestly think you are an exception rather than a norm.

I dont mind apologising to all the MW's who are pregnant and hurt by this opinion of mine.But you got to recognise that you know the system from within and you know how to work the system and you know if something is going wrong. It didnt help when my consultant said that his wife gave birth at MK hospital and all was fine. Ofcourse all is fine he is a gynae consultant, his wife WILL get the best of the best attention. Not the unfortunate mother who lost her baby. So its really helps to know that there are MW's who throughly enjoy their job which gives me a point to focus and pray on and hope that whichever hopsital I go to I end up with a MW like you!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however annoyed I made you!
 
MWs are MWs, not nursing so no, they don't need to learn basic nursing things, they learn basic MW things. Some of it is the same, a lot of it isn't.
I totally agree, but things like giving jabs, resuscitation, giving out medication, diagnosing problems etc should all be included in MW training. If it's not, then there's something seriously wrong with the system :wacko:

You seem to forget that midwifes ONLY deal with uncomplicated pregnancies and deliveries. If there was a situation needing resuscitation, diagnosing, prescribing drugs, etc - then a consultant would be involved - and that works really well, because the vast majority of pregnancies are UNcomplicated that do not need a specialist input. If you were to train all the midwifes to do the job of a consultant, then we wouldn't need the midwifes, and just employ the consultants but the NHS would go completely bunkcrupt.

nurses & midwives are trained in resuscitation. i'm a healthcare assistant on a medical ward & even i'm trained to resuscitate adults, children and babies. fully qualified nurses aren't even allowed to diagnose anything. only a doctor or consultant can diagnose, hence why they spend 9+ years learning to be a doctor, and hence why they are paid a hell of a lot more than nurses. i was trained in & qualified to give medication in my last job as a senior in a care home, however the NHS doesn't allow this & i'd have to be a qualified nurse to do it there. It all comes down to accountability xx
 
I say change hospitals. You're obviously scared and worried about this place and their ability - whether their care is rising or not you want to be comfortable with the level of care you'll be receiving! :thumbup:

On another note, while I don't have anything against a MW - I feel very much the same as you about a home birth, in that I wouldn't be able to live with the guilt if I decided to stay home for my comforts sake and say my baby was born not breathing etc etc, No, I'm sorry, I want an OB-GYN and a full medical staff there and ready to help my baby should she need it for any reason.

Not sure about there, but here the requirements to become an OBGYN are as follows -
4 years undergraduate

4 years medical school

4 years internship/residency

1 year fellowship (for Obstetric)

= 13 long, hard years!
 

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