Mixing BM and Formula & Pumping Advice needed...UPDATED PG 4!!

Discussion in 'Breastfeeding' started by Mervs Mum, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. Mervs Mum

    Mervs Mum Doula & Mum of 3!

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    Ok so my milk supply is not great :( She's just not getting enough so I've ben topping up. I've decided to try to increase my milk supply by pumping.

    I thought I'd see what my 'full' boobs have in them so I pumped and there wasn't even an ounce....no wonder she's still hungry and I'm getting sore!!

    I've been pumping and storing the breast milk then giving that to her in a feed so she's still getting what I can produce.

    So I have 2 questions :

    1 - Can you mix formula and BM in the sam bottle?? I have done as I have so little BM to give her but I want her to have it. It just occured to me tonight maybe this is a bad thing.....:shrug:

    2 - Any advice welcomed on getting your supply up - I am DESPERATE to carry on BF so I will do ANYTHING!!! I was pumping at 4am this morning!!

    Thanks x
     
  2. Incubator

    Incubator Well-Known Member

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    Are you eating and drinking enough? When I had my daughter the MW told me I'd need to eat a bit more than usual and drink considerably more to keep my milk production up. I was also told to feed on demand and solely from the breast until BF was properly established - which is really hard to do if you don't feel that baby is getting enough.

    Good luck with it all. Hope it gets easier for you. x
     
  3. alio

    alio Well-Known Member

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    I'm really interested on responses you get here Lisa, I'm exactly the same. Although my midwife said the pump will not remotely express what you'd get if you put Hebe on as it is a poor mimic action of her suck.
     
  4. Mervs Mum

    Mervs Mum Doula & Mum of 3!

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    I'm still putting her on too but its like a catch 22....:(

    I just thought after a week I'd be getting some where...

    The other thing I've noticed is I dont seem to have had that day where the milk 'comes in' and your boobs feel like rock hard watermelons :shrug: I really got that with Emily.....hmmmmmmm.....what am I doing wrong......
     
  5. ryder

    ryder Mum to Jasmine & Peyton

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    Make sure you are drinking a ton and eating enough carbs...

    I was told you can mix formula and BM... Give both the pumping and the expressing some time to work, she isn't that old yet.
     
  6. Mervs Mum

    Mervs Mum Doula & Mum of 3!

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    Thanks hun :hugs: You know I dont think I am eating enough....I need to stop worrying about losing my weight and start worrying about putting it on Hebe!!

    x
     
  7. Heather.78

    Heather.78 Well-Known Member

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    hun I did the same thing till I could get back to full bf buy an electric pump so easy but the bes way to do it is put baby to the breast and let her take what youve got ( this really stimulates supply and if shes still hungry have a bottle ready if she needs more) and pump everytime she feeds if your not putting her to the breast

    hun your nipples will hurt but it passes in a eek or so

    take care and best of luck
     
  8. jenstar

    jenstar Well-Known Member

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    I mix expressed milk and formula in the same bottle, the lactation consultant told me to do this but when I mentioned to the HV she was horrified, said it would make him sick!!!! But my baby is fine. I do it at the last minute as I'm not too sure about bacteria growing and stuff so better safe than sorry.

    The thing that helped me the most I think was skin to skin contact just lying in bed with no top on and baby lying on my chest in just a nappy and he would latch on and suck away, and he does seem more satisifed than if just sitting bf.

    I also tried "switch feeding" do 5 mins each side and if poss vary the positions, tis very hard to get a hungry baby off after 5 mins to switch sides though!

    Good luck:thumpup:
     
  9. jenstar

    jenstar Well-Known Member

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    Oh yes forgot to say, massaging breasts and tweaking nipples before pumping gets a wee bit more out.
     
  10. babe2ooo

    babe2ooo mum to Jack

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    i just kept putting jack on my boob and i started to get more milk and pump even if nothing is coming out
     
  11. alio

    alio Well-Known Member

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    Yeah honey, I'm exactly the same. I keep putting him on but can't help thinking he's just getting hardy anything. And yes they say keep putting him on as it encourages your milk in, but what the hell do I do in that in between time when he's demanding feeding beause he's so hungry?! He can drain both boobs and then have 60/90 mls of formula. The midwife said I needed to be careful becuase he'll get used to these quantities of formula.

    Argh!! They say feed on demand... well Finlay's demanding more than I have!! Catch 22? Damn right!!

    xx
     
  12. marley2580

    marley2580 Well-Known Member

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    Can I ask how you know that she's not getting enough?
     
  13. doumauk

    doumauk mama to salim,expecting

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    Ive just got this problem, was feeding well for 8 weeks weight gain was great then he lost 4 oz in a week and health visitor made me feel like a failure so much so I sat and cried for hours. Thats how determined I am to breastfeed so Ive tried fennel tea from holland and barratt 2 cups a day and it does actually make a difference I think or it could be a trick of the mind lol. I stand under the shower with hot water on my boobs that nearly scalds me so my milk flows a bit easier and salim will stay on longer. The more your baby feeds the more milk you will produce. If salim starts getting frustrated I have started taking him off hugging him for a few minutes then putting him back on, if after that he is still fussing I top him up with 2 ounce, Alot of which he spits back out like its poison. The way I see it is hes obviously getting enough because he has lots of wet nappies poos every 1-2 days and his nails grow really fast. Its hard work but so worth it. Stick with it and try the fennel tea, it tastes awful but I add 2 sugars and seems to taste a bit better lol.Its reasonably priced as well £1.20 for 20 bags or £2 for 40 I think, good luck hun your doing great :hug:
     
  14. Mervs Mum

    Mervs Mum Doula & Mum of 3!

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    I suppose I'm assuming that coz if I dont top her up she will go about an hour between feeds and when I pump a full breast there's 2 oz max - she can take almost 5 oz of formula in one feed and isnt sick....:shrug:
     
  15. Sarah88

    Sarah88 Full time working mummy

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    My milk supply is great and I don't alwaysget that much when I pump. Don't go by what your pumping, it's a poor substitute for bubs sucking motion. I would keep her on one breast for each feed, the more times you empty them completely, the more milk they will produce. Even if it means feeding her every hour, it willo only take a few days for your milk supply to increase. Pls stick by it, you're doing a great job!
     
  16. marley2580

    marley2580 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, don't go by what you're able to pump. I'm feeding an 11 month old who must be taking about 6-8oz with every feed, but I can't pump more than 1oz from both breasts after 20 mins of trying. Remember that breast milk is really easy to digest so babies will feed more often. The other thing that any breastfeeding mum will tell you is that you will spend the first 6-8 weeks almost constantly feeding, it doesn't mean your LO isn't getting enough, it's just the way it works.

    I|f you really want to breast feed, I would suggest trying without the top-ups as they can affect your supply because your breasts may not get the stimulation that they need. Keep an eye on her nappies, if she's having plenty of wet and dirty nappies then she's getting enough from you. Be prepared to feed almost constantly if that's what she wants - it will settle down as your milk becomes established and she gets better at feeding. Good luck, we're here if you need us.
     
  17. Sarah88

    Sarah88 Full time working mummy

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    Yep, I second that you spend most of the day feeding. I find it a good excuse to sit around and get my OH to do stuff for me, lol. :)
     
  18. my1stbump

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    Has your milk come in??

    I was told not toexpress until 6 weeks by my BF Specialist.... but I had no choice and started at 3 weeks...

    My HV told me that the more I express the more milk will be produced, I am expressing at the mo as my boobies are constantly full and I have a painfull sensation when they are letting down.

    I have incredible milk flow tho I can express nearly 7oz from one booby in less than 15mins. This has it advantages but has disadvantages too.

    And about topping up.. I am doing say 3 or 4 oz breast and then 1 or 2oz formular just to top him up. I only do this on the night feeds, as it makes him fill up quicker.

    I think that its miles easier expressing as you know exactly what ya LO is getting in measurements, when on boobie I never know, but then again he crys to let me know if he is hungry again.

    Hope this helps.
     
  19. alio

    alio Well-Known Member

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    Ahhhhh.... yeah that makes sense. I was going by this 3-4 hour per feed guideline which i suppose is for bottle feeding. Thanks! I'll try to put him to the boob as often as he demands, even if it's every half hour. x
     
  20. Mervs Mum

    Mervs Mum Doula & Mum of 3!

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    Well I'm just back from 'Baby Cafe' which is a breast feeding group once a week (Ali, it's in the Fax and there's one at Bradley too we should meet there sometime maybe??)

    It's run by the community midwives and there are lactation consultants there. It was RAMMED with babies and boobies!! Anyway the consultant was lovely and we had a long natter and she was very supportive. I need to go back to basics for a while and ditch the top ups, pumping and dummy - too many things to be doing so soon. She said she didnt think there was a problem with my supply. Like some of the girls have said, what you pump and what baby gets are not the same. She also said volume wise baby needs upto 30% less BM than formula as its obviously the perfect food and is digested totally differently. So I just need to believe in myself a bit more and go with the flow....ahem....
    Either that or I can have a few days in bed having a 'baby-moon' and just having loads of skin on skin and feeding away.....

    I'm really pleased I went - I'm really determined to get this right.

    Thanks girls - I appreciate you input. x
     

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