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Anyone else in denial?!

Sabine

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Since our recent diagnosis of male factor, I am STILL in major denial that we will need medical intervention.
I want to try naturally for a bit longer before we 'give up' and move onto IUI or ICSI as the doctors have suggested.

Am I being completely naive here?
At what point did you all decide to seek treatment? And once you started, did you regret not having starting sooner, or vice versa?

I am *so* confused.

Thanks xxx
 
I tried for 2 years on my own and then finally decided to see a specialist... I wish I did it sooner.
 
We knew straight away that we needed help, but it has been a long process to get to where we are. Appointments take forever to come through!! Have the doctors given treatment as your only hope?
xx
 
Me too! I just don't want to think that we need help. After being unexplained for three years now the latest DH tests have put us in male factor category. I had actually prepared myself for an IUI but the doctor now seem to think we will need ICSI.
 
I've pretty much known all along that we were going to need some kind of help. When I went in for my regular lady dr. visit last summer I talked to her about TTC and my DH's history with the testicular cancer. She said she likes most couples to try for a year, but told me to try for at least 6 months. After three months of BFN, I just knew it was because of low sperm count, so I called her up and they agreed to start us on the rounds of testing. That takes a couple of months because of the different days you have to go in for certain tests. So I wish we had started earlier because I feel now that those months were wasted. If we had started the tests right away, I would have more IUI's under my belt and possibly a BFP. Who knows, but I am glad that we did it when we did and would have done it earlier in a heartbeat.

I know it's a decision each couple has to make and make in their own time. I hope you find what's best for YOU!
 
I wished I had started the process sooner like all of these ladies. But I think denial is just normal and we can only do what we do when we are ready (if we ever really are). To be honest even though I am very close to ivf I am still in denial anyway.

Best wishes hun - there is no right or wrong answer - just a path in which you must choose to walk down.
 
I suppose in a way I am as I still believe one day we will get a natural BFP-But only once we have a baby from ICSI. Hubby definitely was and said 'We havent really tried properly yet' Even after nothing for 18 months :(

Unlike most, I dont regret not doing it sooner as Im 26 and still studying so this is perfect timing for us. In fact, if we'd known sooner I may not have started or completed my course, so I really feel this is the right time for us to start trying. Im even worrying its TOO soon and whether to hold off for a few months.

Its a really tough decision but you have to weigh up all the factors in your life to decide whats best for you. If you think you'd regret waiting, then dont. If you have plenmty of time and you're in no rush, try for a bit longer. We went with our consultants advice. She said, dont wait and keep on trying, you are wasting your time, if you want to get pregnant you will need ICSI.

We followed her advice lol
 
Hubby definitely was and said 'We havent really tried properly yet' Even after nothing for 18 months :(
lol

My hubby also thought i was overreacting and said the same thing UNTIL all my issues were discovered. Even the doc said that my intuition was right. Prob is i am 34 and a year is very long. So if you are younger take time to digest the info, but also try to be realistic. After a proper diagnosis like that , chances are VERY slim and rather go ahead with treatment and get your baby. You wont care HOW it was conceived once it is, you will be too worried about getting sleep..................(please G-d for that)
 
I pretty much knew all along that we'd probably need help, so we decided to start trying earlier than we would have if all had been fine, and now 15 months down the line are starting on the path of getting all the medical intervention we need.

I was diagnosed with PCOS at 17 and told then that I'd probably have trouble conceiving so it's not big news to me lol, and I'm not too worried as I'm only 25 and we have plenty of time. I've been for all my tests so far and OH now needs to go for his sperm sample (seems strangely reluctant to do so lol - I'm used to years of poking and prodding with my history but seems he's a little more shy...) before we get referred to the infertility clinic (everyone else says 'fertility specialist' lol - my GP doesn't mince her words) for treatment.

I'm glad I've started the ball rolling when I did - I'd hate to get to late 30's and then find out about any problems, with the NHS waiting lists as they are. I had a wobble a few months back, but my sis-in-laws all said that it's better to get it seen to now and find out what's wrong - once you know, you can then choose whether to take the treatment or not, but at least the ball will be in your own court.

To be honest, with all the factors you've got to figure in by your sig, I'd be going for the treatment. Stranger things have happened than natural conception with a whole host of problems, but why torture yourself for any longer, and put yourself through the disappointment? Doing it naturally doesn't make it any more worthy, and getting help doesn't mean your pregnancy and your baby will be any less valid than if you'd conceived on your own. Once the conception moments are over, it makes no difference what put your baby in there - what matters is that they're in there.

I wouldn't wait any longer, if it were me :)
 
Aww hun :hugs:

It's not denial - it's hope!

We are having IVF this year but even 2 months ago i wanted to cancel it all and keep trying naturally. DH is improving continually so i had hope that maybe it would work naturally??

I still have hope by the bucket load and just because there is an IVF cycle in 2 months - doesn't mean it will work and doesn't mean we won't get to try naturally if it fails... it just means we have another options with slightly higher odds to help us on the way!

We tried for 12 months had our tests and got diagnosed straight away. The quality of DH's :spermy: is great it's just a quantity issue! Having been diagnosed in 2008 we are now only getting our one and only 'free' NHS cycle. I've gone through wishing we had paid and wishing we we had pulled out but now i'm embracing it. We've waited long enough and this is definitely the first time i've made a decision about something i want and it's 200% what i actually want.

Good luck :dust:
 
Rachelle - aka - Mrs PMA !!!

You are right I think the denial is hope and self-preservation too.
 
I suppose it depends on how severe the male factor issue is and your age.

In the begining my hubbies issues were pretty servere in that 4 readings were pretty crap. It has improved, which probably gives me false hope really, for example his count has gone into normal level of 24mil compared to 11 from this time last year, HOWEVER, it may be in the normal sectile but 24 mil is still pretty low and combined with motility and morph issues our chance of conceiving naturally every month is about 4%. That could mean 2 years of trying naturally until getting a BFP which could then still be miscarried etc. While at hte same time my fertility is not getting better as my age increases.

I think we can hope of a natural BFP but NEVER be in denial. Ask the fertility speacialist what the chances are in terms of percentage of your fella getting your preggers naturally and make decisions from there. 4% is just not very high for me and we were told he stands little chance without a helping hand.

Another thing is to learn all you can about sperm analysis and sperm function to be able to estimate the probability of a natural BFP yourself, this also helps in asking questions at the clinic when IVF or ICSI comes around.
 
Believe me the sadness I feel I am not truly in denial. But there are definitely many moments that I forget that infertility is our situation.

Like I walk through a shoe aisle in a store and spot the cutest little shoes - my first thought ahhh I want to buy those they are so cute, wouldn't our little one one day look so cute -------then I think holy F*** we are infertile and have no guarantee that we may ever get to buy that little pair of shoes and the life of having a little one. But I actually forgot for a moment that this is our situation.

Even after a wondeful day with DH and friends and family I came home and got ready for bed. Then as I went to climb into bed I spotted my "coping with infertility/going through treatment" books (3-4 of them) and think again holy F*** I cannot believe that this is our situation.

Also I keep saying our situation, but luckily DH is "perfect" it is me who has blocked infected tubes, huge cysts on my ovaries, endo, and a messed up uterus. I haven't found out what our real chances even are yet - as I am having a lap to remove everything so I don't even know if I should have hope?
 
Ahhhh you ladies are the best. Thanks so much for all your comments.
I am turning 30 in a couple of months, so I don't have too much time to mess about I guess.

And you are all right - hope? denial? Does it matter really?
The main issue I think is fear and disbelief - how the heck did we get to be in this crappy situation? You always take for granted one day you will have kids, and now I guess - nothing is definite.

My single friend today was saying how I will beat her to have kids, and all I could think was 'not necessarily'. How depressing. That alone made me want to go start IUI's immediately.

xxx
 
Being in this situation is a very humbling experience. I don't know if I've really accepted that we are struggling with fertility; it's more that I'm in a "This sucks" phase. None of us grew up thinking that we were going to meet a guy, fall in love, then struggle to have a baby. I think we all think about what our lives are going to be like with a little one running around our home and how great Christmas morning is going to be with a child. But then we remember that our dreams may never be a reality, and it's the "This sucks" thing again. It's incredibly heartbreaking, but how/when do you say and accept the fact that you'll never be a mother? I've been talking to a counselor at my church, and she advised me to realize that it may never happen, but how am I supposed to do that?
Thanks ladies.
 
Def. some element of denial on our part - despite us knowing it'll never happen naturally. DH had undescended testicles as a child and didn't have them corrected. Infact, he only had them done when he was told they could be a cancer risk and had them operated on at the age of 29 so he could self examine. 2 sperm tests have shown nothing. However, knowing this, DH wants me to take my implanon out "just incase" - absurdly I'm part inclined to!
 
Hopeful27yrs - How weird - DH had an undescended testicle too. I f*cking blame his mother! How can she change his nappy every day and NOT notice he has one ball FFS!
I think that's a mother FAIL right there! I asked him if I could call her and shout at her, and he said yes! hehehe

He had his corrected aged 7/8 - also too late.
Sorry about your recent SA's, we have our next one in 6 weeks.
 
Hopeful27yrs - How weird - DH had an undescended testicle too. I f*cking blame his mother! How can she change his nappy every day and NOT notice he has one ball FFS!

It was bilateral for my DH and his father had the same thing but had it corrected as a child!!! We told his family about our infertility shortly after our sperm tests as we didn't want them wondering why we were looking at adoption/sperm donation and his mother denied knowing (or said she couldn't remember)!!! :thumbup: :nope:
 
"And you are all right - hope? denial? Does it matter really?
The main issue I think is fear and disbelief - how the heck did we get to be in this crappy situation? You always take for granted one day you will have kids, and now I guess - nothing is definite.

My single friend today was saying how I will beat her to have kids, and all I could think was 'not necessarily'. How depressing. That alone made me want to go start IUI's immediately."

The media and everyone else instill this belief in you that every woman's purpose in life is to have kids. We spend our early life usually trying to deny this, going 'I can have exactly what the guys have, I want my career, I want to go out' etc - then suddenly the clock starts ticking and we start thinking all that doesn't sound so great anymore. The whole world embraces this idea, because it's what we should have been doing all along. Then when it doesn't happen, we feel like failures because we can't even produce what we were designed and put on this earth to do (well, that's the way I feel anyway)

When you're younger, noone ever even brings up the idea that you might not be able to have kids - it's just taken as granted and therefore everyone thinks that it just happens automatically once you start trying. Even I was recommended to take the pill and then have a coil put in, despite the fact that I've only ever had about 10, if that, natural periods in my life (I'm 25 now, I didn't have any kind of bleed until I went on the pill at 17 and after that, I had a couple off the pill at about 19, and not much since then) - they should have been telling me 'if you want a baby, try now, cos it's not likely to happen', but no - I was advised to have a coil inserted.

I went to the clinic today with my best friend, who is exactly (minus one day) a year older than me. She's just broke up with a boyfriend. She has the implant, and no regular man in her life as of last weekend, but we were having a joke sitting at the clinic saying she'll probably be there for a pregnancy test before I am. She says if she is, she'll just transplant the bump straight over to me. But I still can't help feeling this horrible sense of foreboding that it will probably happen to her before it does for us - apart for the implant, she's always had relatively normal periods whereas I haven't really had any. She's single now, but my cousin was single before we started trying and she's now 7 1/2 months pregnant and getting married in the summer..

I just feel horrible. I spent most of my life feeling slightly smug about having no periods and not having to worry about the monthly visit from aunt flo - I'm still not going to deny it - it was damn fantastic not having them, and still is - but it does rather muck up your baby making plans when you don't know even if you're capable and then definitely don't have any way of timing it or telling one way or the other what you should be doing.
 

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