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Anyone's dr / fs take their luteal phase worries seriously?!

TrixieLox

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Hey girlies!

Have been TTC for over 18 months (lost count now!) and had allll the tests (bloods, HSG etc, sperm) and all perfect but something that's always niggled at me - my luteal phase (time between OV and AF) is about 9-10 days, so on the borderline. When I bring this up with drs and FS, they shrug it off. And yet there's so much on the net that suggests it could be a problem.

Soooo, I have an appointment Fri and gonna go in armed with info. In the meantime, anyone been treated for this and if so, what did your dr / fs treat you with (clomid / vitext?)

And yep, have tried Vitb6 and all the herbal remedies for months and helped but not enough.

Thanks! xx
 
i think mine was short like you Trixie...because i just had a short cycle i think...

i thought you were thinking of clomid? have you try yet? ....
 
i think mine was short like you Trixie...because i just had a short cycle i think...

i thought you were thinking of clomid? have you try yet? ....

Friday is my first appointment since Feb so first chance to bring up again. I want to push for Clomid. :-)

OMG Miel, not long now till baby lamb is born!! xxx
 
Hope you get somewhere this time hun or at least clomid to try! :dust:
 
Hi Trixielox

My lp is 6-8 days long and it has been an absolute nightmare to get anyone to listen to me so I understand your frustration!!!

I understand that treatments vary according to what is causing the problem. I found the following info on line which helped me to get my head around the problem and enabled me to ask the right questions! I have cut and pasted it below:

A Cycle with LPD

A normal cycle can be disrupted in several places. Three causes of LPD include poor follicle production, premature demise of the corpus luteum, and failure of the uterine lining to respond to normal levels of progesterone. These problems can also be found in conjunction with each other.

Poor follicle production has its origins in the first half of the cycle. The body may not produce a normal level of FSH, or the ovaries do not respond strongly to the FSH, leading to inadequate follicle development. Because the follicle ultimately becomes the corpus luteum, poor follicle formation leads to poor corpus luteum quality. In turn, a poor corpus luteum will produce inadequate progesterone, causing the uterine lining to be adequately prepared for the implantation of a fertilized embryo. Ultimately progesterone levels may drop early and menses will arrive sooner than expected.

Premature failure of the corpus luteum can occur even when the initial quality of the follicle/corpus luteum is adequate. For reasons not wholly understood, the corpus luteum sometimes does not persist as long as it should. Initial progesterone levels at five to seven days past ovulation may be low; even if they are adequate, the levels drop precipitously soon thereafter, again leading to early onset of menses.

Failure of the uterine lining to respond can occur even in the presence of adequate follicle development and a corpus luteum that persists for the appropriate length of time. In this condition, the uterine lining does not respond to normal levels of progesterone. Therefore, should an embryo arrive and try to implant, the lining will not be adequately prepared, and the implantation will likely fail.




Diagnosis and Treatment of Luteal Phase Deficiency

With the above information, it is easier to understand the many symptoms associated with LPD. Progesterone is responsible for the rise in basal body temperature during the luteal phase. Women who monitor their basal body temperature will thus often note that luteal phase temperatures do not stay reliably elevated for twelve days. Additionally, women who monitor the time of ovulation often notice that their next cycle begins sooner than the normal 12-14 days after ovulation.

Once a diagnosis of LPD is suspected, a serum progesterone test will often be performed at about seven days past ovulation. A level less than 14 ng/ml indicates that progesterone production in the luteal phase is inadequate.

Should progesterone levels prove to be low, the temptation is often to "treat the symptom" by giving the patient progesterone supplementation during the luteal phase. In the case of inadequate corpus luteum performance, progesterone support may indeed be the appropriate solution. However, inadequate follicle development may also be causing the low progesterone levels. Thus, it is important to measure midcycle follicle size (via ultrasound) and estradiol levels (via a blood test).

If follicle development is normal, then progesterone supplementation during the luteal phase is normally the correct treatment. If follicle development is inadequate, an ovulatory stimulant such as Clomid or an injectable drug may be in order; these drugs help the follicle to mature more appropriately, which has the double benefit of producing a higher quality egg and a better-functioning corpus luteum.

Women whose linings fail to respond to normal progesterone levels often have normal follicle development and adequate progesterone levels at 7 days past ovulation. An ultrasound image of the lining at seven dpo, however, will show a lining that has failed to convert from the triple layer lining typical of the time of ovulation. In this case, women are often given additional progesterone supplementation in the luteal phase in the hope that a higher level will be the push that the lining needs to convert appropriately. Some doctors use injections of human chorionic gonadotropin to further stimulate the corpus luteum. However, these injections can cause false positive pregnancy results.
 
My f/s has been really good about it, he's said that if we try IUI he'll give me a progesterone supplement to try to lengthen it out.

He also said that unless it drops below 8 days I shouldn't stress about it to much .. apparently according to him 8 days is sufficient.
In my case was a little concerned that the short LP was more to do with follicle development, when scanned my follies are slightly smaller than average.
Although since Clomid didn't help me and I've already done 4 cycles there is not much he can do until we start IUI

That all said in the UK my Dr were totally dismissive etc, so your not alone feeling like that.
 
Just an update: had fertility app, FS finally took it (kinda) seriously and been prescribed 50mg of Clomid then if nothing in 3 months, on the list for IVF. :-)
 
Hi Hun,

No sure if this is relevant to you and Dr told me it was a complete coincidence BUT - I always got heavy spotting at 9 /10 dpo for four days before AF showed up in full force and I really worried about it - and like you tried all the herbal stuff to lengthen my LP - as I know i didnt get AF till 14 dpo but it was heavy brown and pink spotting so I was concerned. Anyway - i argued with my FS that I wanted them to check it out even though like you they said it was fine - and I requested a lap and hysteroscopy.
After over two years of being off the pill and having spotting like clockwork each month at 9 / 10 dpo - I had the lap back in September last year - and have not had any spotting since - not one bit - just go straight to red flow at 14 dpo.
They did not find anything when I had the lap - no endo, nothing - so why the hell it would stop my spotting is beyond me - but it has.

I have no idea why - but i would ask for a lap hun - it cured me.

(WEll not cured me cos I still cant get pregnant - but its one less thing to worry about iykwim).

Plus - I also always hold onto the fact that loopylew (don't know if you remember her) had a really short LP - yet she still fell pregnant.

Glad the Dr is taking you seriously hun - and really hope the clmid does the trick.

Bx x x :hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 

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