Has this ever happened to anyone?

[proudwifey]

I've been using Ff to chart Bbt. My temps rose and I got the red line showing OD. I continue to put temps in and today I got a message afterwards saying that my OD has been moved... To 3 days after the original red line! But I stopped dtd when I first got the line and now I have no shot at being pregnant this month. Feeling so aggravated and discouraged. I have long cycles (36 days) so I have to wait such a long time for my fertile window now. So upset over this. Has this ever happened to anyone?

 

[kksquared]

I've been using Ff to chart Bbt. My temps rose and I got the red line showing OD. I continue to put temps in and today I got a message afterwards saying that my OD has been moved... To 3 days after the original red line! But I stopped dtd when I first got the line and now I have no shot at being pregnant this month. Feeling so aggravated and discouraged. I have long cycles (36 days) so I have to wait such a long time for my fertile window now. So upset over this. Has this ever happened to anyone?

That happened to me last cycle except FF changed my OD 3x

 

[Essjay86]

Yes thats happened to me too and i have 33/34 days cycles. It's a nightmare isn't it and you feel like you've wasted your time. And then its such a long wait till your next go.
Just use it as a lesson like i did and keep d'ing next time
Also let yourself have down days, we all have them and your mood will change again soon. I have good and bad days.

 

[proudwifey]

Thanks for the encouraging words. I am currently 7dpo and still holding onto a tad of hope. Hoping for a miracle this month. My current cycle is looking like it will be towards 39 days.

 

[bunyhuny]

Can you post a link to your chart? FF can (and has) been wrong on many, many occasions. I've been charting for 4 years and can put an experienced pair of human eyes to it. Sometimes the computer is just wrong!

 

[proudwifey]

Can you post a link to your chart? FF can (and has) been wrong on many, many occasions. I've been charting for 4 years and can put an experienced pair of human eyes to it. Sometimes the computer is just wrong!

https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/58cff1

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! Also, since you're good at this, what do you think of my dip in temp yesterday and the day before? Could it be an implantation dip? I'm going to test again tomorrow.

 

[bunyhuny]

How much EWCM did you have on each of the days (23-25)?

 

[proudwifey]

How much EWCM did you have on each of the days (23-25)?

On CD 23 and 24, it was spotting with a mixture of EW CM. On CD25, it was no spotting and lots of EW CM... lots.

 

[bunyhuny]

I would go with CD 25 then (or, minimally possible, a double ovulation with CD 24 and 25 being O days). Luckily, sperm have an average lifespan of 72 hours in your reproductive tract, so even a CD 25 ovulation day is totally fine for conception based on your BD schedule.

As for the implantation dip: Nope, that's not a dip. A dip looks like more like the pic below. (I get them pretty often.) In general, implantation dips are slightly more likely to show up on pregnancy charts, but show up pretty regularly on non-pregnancy charts as well. Some women are just really hormone sensitive. During the luteal phase (aka: LP, the time after O) there is a secondary surge of estrogen that happens between 4dpo and 10dpo, averaging 7dpo. This causes a decrease in BBT in some women. No one knows why it happens more on pregnancy charts. Honestly, most women don't get them, pregnant or not, so they're totally not helpful.

https://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/chartgraph_module.php?d=2015-03-14&mode=a&ts=1426803986&u=34672

Note: In the future, try not to BD more than once a day- it decreases sperm production (you end up with less sperm over time) and decreases seminal volume. In clinical studies, BD'ing multiple times a day decreases conception rates significantly if the first ejaculation is not within the 72 hour window before ovulation.

The absolute best way to conceive is BD'ing every other day during the first half of your cycle, switching to every day for 3-4 days once you get a positive OPK, and then have your husband ejaculate every day or every other day during your luteal phase (which helps to keep his count high)- this last part doesn't have to be BD.

 

[bunyhuny]

(PS: My chart is definitely NOT an example of how a healthy couple should be BD'ing. You'll note that my husband and I BD about once every three to four days while we wait for O, and switch to every other day once my CM goes fully fertile. He then ejaculated every day or every other day during my LP to help build up his sperm production. His male factory infertility is finally getting better, but it's still not fixed enough to go every other day unless I'm sure I'm fertile. My PCOS is getting better, but it still makes for long cycles.)

 

[Helena88]

Even if you ovulated on CD25 there is still a good chance you could have conceived 😊. I DTD 5 days before ovulation when I conceived my son. Sperm can live in a fertile environment for quite a while (up to 5 days). Fingers crossed for you!

 

[proudwifey]

Thank you so much. This information is so helpful. I tested again this morning with another bfn at 9dpo now. Still no AF though, and this time last month, she was present. Hoping that's a good sign. I'm feeling so anxious.

 

[bunyhuny]

That's great that AF has stayed away. 9 dpo is still early to get a positive test. Implantation usually happens between 7-10dpo, but it still takes at least a couple days after that for hCG to build up high enough to be detectable. Give it time.

How long are your LP's normally? If your time between ovulation and AF is usually 10 days or less, you might want to see if you can get on a progesterone supplement to keep AF away a bit longer so that you can give those eggies of yours time to implant!

I have slow rising hCG in my pregnancies, so I take progesterone every cycle to give my eggs enough time to implant and make hCG. I get a blood test on 14 dpo to confirm my pregnancy state, and if the test is negative they take me off the progesterone. If it's positive they keep me on it.

It's something to think about if your LP is short.

 

[proudwifey]

AF got me over the weekend. My LP was 9 days. Is that long enough?

 

[Helena88]

AF got me over the weekend. My LP was 9 days. Is that long enough?

Sorry to hear AF arrived 😔 I would probably go and see a doctor as your progesterone levels could be low with a 9 day luteal phase. Good luck for next month!

 

[bunyhuny]

Sorry about AF, hun. That sucks.

Yeah, if it's that short you need to go see your OB/Gyn. Implantation normally happens between 7-10dpo, but can be anywhere from 4-13dpo. If you're already shedding your uterine lining at 9dpo, there's nothing for the embryo to implant in. They can put you on progesterone and it will keep AF away and it will also help make your lining more hospitable to any embryo that comes along.

The suppositories are super easy to use. I use 100mg twice a day from 3dpo until 10 dpo, the 100mg 3x a day for 11dpo-14dpo. On 14 dpo they do a blood pregnancy test for me (since I have major trouble getting the HPT's to go positive when I'm pregnant). If I get a BFP I stay on the progesterone until 12-16 weeks. If it's negative I stop the progesterone and AF shows up 3-4 days later.

PS: You can't have sex at all while you're on them. Some guys are really, really susceptible to hormone issues if they're exposed to it and it can be really bad for their fertility. Some doctors will say it is okay, but I know a lot of guys (including my DH) who went from extremely fertile to totally infertile due to progesterone exposure "down there". He's better now, but it took a year to get it turned back around.

 

[proudwifey]

I got off of BCP in December. Do you think that has anything to do with this? Should I wait it out? I just went to the OBGYN on Saturday, but didn't bring this up. I started the tiniest bit of spotting on 8dpo, then AF on 10dpo.

 

[starryjune]

I agree - FF might be wrong. If I was tracking without its help, I would have guessed the first day of the temp dip like you thought, esp. cuz of the +OPK and EWCM then. BUT - even if you did O when FF says now, you still definitely have a chance, as sperm can live and wait for the egg even up to 5 days, very often 3. I have seen lots of pregnant charts where the only BD was like 4 days before O.

 

[bunyhuny]

I got off of BCP in December. Do you think that has anything to do with this? Should I wait it out? I just went to the OBGYN on Saturday, but didn't bring this up. I started the tiniest bit of spotting on 8dpo, then AF on 10dpo.

I would say go back and talk to them now. Using progesterone in the luteal phase can help regulate a body that has been thrown out of whack by bcp. Two birds, one stone.

 

[proudwifey]

I bought vitamin B6, so I'm going to try that out this cycle and hope that creates a longer LP. Hopefully that does the trick. My other issue is that I am under a lot of stress. However, for my predicted fertile window this month, I will be on vacation so I will be much more relaxed. Then during my tww I will be away again, which will allow me to relax some more, stress-free.