Just say NO to Wondfo!

[Carlinator]

So, me and another girl here have had BLAZING false positives with this batch of wondfos, definitely a 2nd line within the time limit! At 5dpo and 6 dpo for us (I know they're false positives because other tests have been negative, and the other girl just got AF).

If yours have an expiration date of 09/03/2016, I'd be wary of any positive results.

This is a POAS PSA!!!

 

[WantsALittle1]

Just thought I'd share my story as a perspective on the Wondfo super-early-positive mystery.

In my experience Wondfos are super sensitive and go positive long before FRERs or any other kind of test, and so I personally think there's a chance they are picking up very early pregnancy or seeing chemical pregnancies that other tests couldn't detect.

Last cycle I got six + Wondfos at 6-7 DPO (sure of the dates) and then 10 days of squinters after that, until my very heavy and painful "period" started. One day into this "period," the Wondfos finally went totally negative and they have stayed negative.

Someone suggested false positives, but I think that's very unlikely with 6 lines, the pigment, showing up under the time limit, and the progression of increasing darkness followed by decreasing darkness... I also got a very faint FRER line when I was getting all the squinters on the Wondfos, so I know something was going on with hCG last cycle. To me my Wondfos at 6 DPO and the following week of squinters are consistent with a very early (almost impossibly early) chemical: failed implant early on 6 DPO, and somehow elevated urine hCG later that day, and then as is common with m/c and chemical PG, hCG levels that took a long time to return to baseline. And I think all of this stuff showed in the Wondfos (and that one FRER) until I started bleeding and then all tests finally went negative.

Just my two cents. That said, I used a different batch from you and it is totally possible that the batch you mentioned is just screwed up. Grr! Also, I know a lot of people hate Wondfos, so you are definitely not alone in that frustration!

Have you tested again? Also, is there any way your SO or a friend could pee on one, and you could pee on one, and compare the results? If there is something wrong with the batch, I think this little experiment could provide a clue. If the other person's test is negative, they maybe your tests are the start of something! FXed!!!

First pic: a dry Wondfo from 6 DPO and wet Wondfo from 7 DPO
Second pic: progression of what I believe was my very early chemical

 

[juhnayrae]

I was able to detect a chemical with my Wondfos earlier this year :/ I got a positive at 7dpo and then it disappeared at 9dpo. I've never gotten a positive when I wasn't really pregnant. That's just my experience though, I'm so sorry you're dealing with this It's hard enough to test and wait without stuff like that happening!

 

[Carlinator]

Thank you for your replies!! I'm sorry to hear about the chemical pregnancies

I was super hoping they were just eerily sensitive tests, but I haven't been able to get any sort of a faint positive with any test after - more of the same batch of wondfos + 3 FRERs - probably 5 more wondfos because as soon as I saw the line I got anxious and wanted to keep testing! I could also try a few with OH's pee & mine to experiment. Bathroom science!!!

I shouldn't have even been testing at 5dpo anyway lol, jut bored and anxious and too many cheap tests lying around. I'm fairly sure of my O date though and kinda feel like nothing should show that early even with super early implant?

Well...I hope this isn't a chemical. It was exciting to see two lines :-/ At least it would be comforting to think at least I can still conceive, and would (hopefully) get a sticky one next time. But I am only 7dpo today, I still have a little hope! I have had very weird spotting this cycle on 1 & 4 dpo, so fx it's a weird pregnancy thing!

 

[WantsALittle1]

One question Carlinator: are you totally positive of your O dates--what if you're further along? A 5 DPO + HPT would be very unlikely just because even if the egg made it to the uterus very quickly, my understanding is that the blasto can't hatch until 5 days post-conception, and without hatching it can't burrow. And it's after burrowing that it would take at least a day (but typically 2) for the urine hCG to reflect the hormone rise.

And regarding Wondfos, with my son, I had 2-3 days of BFP-BFN-BFP-BFP before the Wondfos were getting consistently darker. In the very beginning it seemed to vary SO much based on time of day I tested (afternoons always better) and how hydrated I was.

Also would you want to post some of your tests? I could try a brightness/contrast tweak to see if there is any progression...

 

[Carlinator]

Well as for my O date I am not positive but had positive opks all day on CD 15, and my temp rose CD 17, so at the very earliest I think I would have O'd CD 15 in the evening but am just counting it as CD 16 where FF puts it. So that's why I assumed faulty tests

As for progression I haven't seen any kind of faint anything since that one test, and I got peeved an threw them all out earlier. I hVe a pic of the positive though, and can post more when I take more tests tomorrow (/later tonight lol).

Ugh on a side note though as if all my problems with this and other drama weren't enough, I went to go take solace in my garden and do some late planting, only to find birds destroyed half my sprouts in the few hours since I checked on them. Super, super aggravated right now. I am probably gonna break down and drink wine tonight.

 

[Carlinator]

Forgot to add the pic of the Wondfo - it is very faint but definitely there. (I shine a light behind them to check lol)

 

[Carlinator]

(I can't figure out if there's a way to post more than one picture per post?)

I also took a pic of this mornings FRER with fmu but I see nuthin'

 

[ShootinStarz]

Eh it may just be my eyes but I see something on that frer too

Sorry your getting mixed results hon, FX for your sticky lil one soon xx

 

[WantsALittle1]

Defo see something on that Wondfo. I don't think I see anything on the FRER, but there is a hint of something at the bottom of where the test line should be that is a possible bit of pigment...when did you take it? After my first faintly positive Wondfo it's usually a couple of days before I see even a hint of something on a FRER.

Regarding the Wondfo and whether it's a bad batch of tests... There's the experiment where you pee and SO pees and you see if both tests look the same, which should help answer some questions, but there's also... Let's say you took 5 tests that 5 DPO day and one was BFP and the others all BFN, it may actually be a single bad test. But if you took 5 tests that day and they were all BFP, it's much more compelling for pregnancy. A bad batch is of course possible, but I personally don't think it's very likely, not with a pretty line like that one on your Wondfo...

 

[Carlinator]

Well I haven't had to try that experiment w/ SO's pee because I keep getting negatives, so nothing to compare. That positive I got was with FMU and the rest I took that day were negative, I initially assumed because my urine was more diluted. I kinda wished I had saved that first pee to try other tests on, but that would have been weird. The FRER was yesterday at 7dpo.

Here I am, 8 dpo and stark white negative. Trying to still holdout hope, because I've been reading that on average implantation doesn't even occur until about 8dpo. Just seems like so many on the boards get early BFPs!

Starting again tomorrow with FRER at 9dpo, and if I don't see anything by 11dpo I'll probably count myself out this month. I said at the beginning of this cycle anyhow it would probably be a throwaway cycle due to stress.

Thank you for your reply!

Eta: there is a weird smudge next to the control line but I don't think it's anything significant.

 

[WantsALittle1]

Hope you don't mind--I thought I saw something there, so I tweaked the pic. To me, it looks like there could be something there. Is there anything there IRL, where I put the two dots?

If you see something, there might still be validity in having your SO POAS to see if your tests both have a super faint line.

 

[Carlinator]

Thank you wantsalittle1! I took another test and I do think I see a lil something on them both, but now that they're dry it could be evap.

So, bathroom science exhibit A: Dd took the bottom test, top two are mine. I couldn't get a good picture though, and was rushing before I left for work.

 

[WantsALittle1]

I tweaked those tests too but I'm not seeing anything on any of them

So I personally think if it were a whole bad batch of tests, then you would have gotten more than just that single test with the line--you'd have gotten a lot more that had that same kind of line.

It is possible that there was just one bad test in the bunch, but it's also possible that there was some hCG there on that day in concentrated enough amounts that it was giving you a line. I hope hope hope that if there was some hCG on that day, that it's a sticky bean and you start to see some more lines.

I do believe you that you see something on the top two tests, for some reason it's just not coming out in the picture

 

[Carlinator]

Thanks again for all your time and help! Yeah, one other thing I considered is maybe the wondfos are SO sensitive that there's enough of a concentrate of natural hcg in FMU, that they can pick it up sometimes in some people?

Took a test when I got home from work since I've held my bladder for about 4 1/2 hours, and I swear I still see a faint, barely there thing. But NO MORE tests today, lol! It's been testing overdrive and I'm do e til tomorrow. I feel like a crazy person.

If I think I see something on tests tomorrow I will update well, if it turns out to be nothing this month I will update regardless!

I hope you get your sticky bean too!!!

 

[WantsALittle1]

That is a good thought, I have thought about that too, especially when I see a faint faint line and it darkens slightly after the test dries. Once the water part of the urine evaporates and the hCG gets left behind, I can easily see how it could get concentrated enough to trigger higher levels of the antibodies in the test. But still there is a cutoff that has to be met, and for Wondfos it's supposed to be 10, and I'm not sure that a baseline hCG of 5 would dry to a concentration of 10.

Also, your first test you showed looked wet, so I just personally don't see how it could be an evap. I personally, for what it's worth, think there was some concentrated hCG that day.

 

[Carlinator]

Hi,

Thanks again for your opinions. Wanted to update you. I guess I'll never know for sure, but I am starting to think it may indeed have been a chemical pregnancy. It may be unrelated but I have had weird spotting this luteal phase, and I haven't had breakthrough bleeding since I got off BC. (Seemed like the BC- I was on nuvaring previously- was causing excessive bleeding from November through February, now I'm not sure what to think now that it seems to be back). Spotted 1 dpo, 2, 5, 9, 11 & 12 dpo (today - and bfn this morning and every morning before). So, perhaps the spotting could be related to a chemical?

So I guess all I can do is go to the Dr and hopefully have my progesterone levels looked at, or make sure my fibroids haven't gotten huge, or something. Just try to rule out any problems.

Hope we get our sticky beans soon!

 

[WantsALittle1]

I am so, so sorry. Chemicals are absolutely heartbreaking. I hope that isn't what this is. Just took a peak at your chart and saw your temp went back down too, which suggests that things went back to baseline. But still hoping for you that it's not a chemical

My personal theory with this super early BFP thing (I got mine at 6 DPBD... not sure when I O'ed, only when we BDed) is maybe conception did occur right away--like the egg was already waiting when the swimmers got there. And as soon as the blasto hatched, it tried to burrow (at 5 DPO for instance), but the uterine lining wasn't ready for it? I know progesterone starts to rise before ovulation even occurs, but maybe the lining needs to be a minimum thickness too?

What do you feel about the tests...do you think it really could have been bad tests? You mentioned some spotting and things like that signaling to you that something different happened this cycle. With me, the period I had 10 days after my faint positive tests was the heaviest and most painful period I've ever had. I was only CD 26. I have never had a 26-day cycle before. I've never bled so much or had such bad cramps. In fact, I'm now CD10 and the bleeding only stopped yesterday! So I knew in my heart... this was not just a period. This was a miscarriage. But then everything happened SO early, just as with you, it really is baffling because it defies science. It's just... I have these tests with lines staring at me. I suppose my tests could have been bad too, though. We may never know

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