Thin endometrium/womb lining and light afs

[Chase]

Hiya,

I was wondering if any of you have this symptom? After losing my girls last year my periods have been very light 1.5-2 days of light bleeding. My last scan showed that my endometrial layer was only 4.9 at cd 12 and I am concerned that I will never conceive again.

Does anyone have any experience of this or advice? xxxx

 

[muncho]

hi i was exactly the same.
dont have any kids but went for a vag scan and was told the above. doc suggested i got for a lap..i didnt see why as i have regular periods and no symptoms

had the lap week and turns out i have severe endo..shocking..and i have to have IVF..
im sure this may not be the case with you, but my cells were growing outside of the womb
did the doc suggest anything? lap or progestrone?

 

[muncho]

p.s my af is also 2 days

 

[Chase]

Hiya,
I have recently had a HSG and hysteroscopy which did not highlight any particular reason for it. Prior to losing my girls last year my periods were very different (better and longer), so I am not sure what has happened. I thought with endo your periods were supposed to be heavier? They are trying me out with oestrogen patches and progesterone at the moment, but I have an appointment for IVF in Jan. Fingers crossed this will work for both of us!

 

[Chase]

Has your af always been so short? Is it also light? Sorry if this is too personal. xxx

 

[Leila Fae]

Since having my Implanon implant taken out 16 months ago my AFs have been very light - a couple of days of very light bleeding, not what I'd call full flow.

I have mentioned this to both my GP and my specialist at the diabetic pre-pregnancy clinic but they don't seem to think it's a problem. Perhaps I should push for a scan. It does worry me that my lining must be so thin that nothing could ever implant. DH has a low rate of morphology too so the odds of fertilisation are against us even before implantation is an issue.

Is a scan something I should ask my GP for?

 

[Chase]

I would speak to your gp or consultant if you are seeing one at the moment and ask them if you can have a midcycle scan. I have been messed around for the last year with specialists telling me different things, but I had an early mc in April that I am sure was to do with this and when I saw the consultant a few weeks ago he told me that there was almost no chance I would conceive in that month (NICE). Just to let you know though, it is the quality of your lining that is more important than thickness, the specialists look for a triple stripe or trilaminar endometrial layer, which is an indicator of healthy lining.
xxx

 

[muncho]

i didnt have any symptoms for endo which is wierd

Af has been light for as long as i can remember. years..NEVER had any issues with af and cycle...nothing is too personal
i donated eggs for my sis a few times, maybe since then - that was 5 years ago..??

The hormone stuf shoudl be good are u going to try naturally anyway? we are hopefully dec will b the month

why not ask for the scan, you may have to really push for it though as the doc may not see it as an issue...if you have private insurance you could try thru them..
fingers crossed x

 

[FBbaby]

It is a relief to read about others who are concerned about their light AF, I think it is the first time I read a similar thread.

Obviously, I fall in that category, AF last two days at most and that, strangely, ever since my m/c last June. There is another thread in ttc about a lady who also started having light AF after her m/c, so wondering if there could be a link. Before this AF, they were also very watery. I was quite excited on tuesday evening when AF came nice and strong, I thought maybe it was back to normal, but by Wednesday evening, it was almost over, only light bleeding yesterday morning,

There is mixed messages around, many saying it is of no concern, other saying it can be oestrogen deficiency. When they scan me after my m/c, they said my lining was looking good, but still wonder whether it could be a problem. I got my cd3 tests done this morning, including oestrogen levels, so will see. Appointment with consultant in Feb, will definitely ask for a scan to check lining.

Muncho, it will be interesting to see if acupuncture helps with this too. I look forward to your feedback. Unfortunately, don't have private insurance -I work for the NHS ha ha-, but will be prepared to pay if results show problems.

 

[FBbaby]

I meant to ask you girls, do you have normal fertile mucus? It is oestrogen that controls it, so a lack of it with light AF could, I suppose, be an indication of an imbalance. I don't get ewcm any longer, but good wet mucus. I put it down to my taking antihistamine every day for the past 10 years, but who knows.

 

[BigFoot1980]

Hi

I am also concerned about my light AF and lack of EWCM. I just get watery CM and thats it. My AF used to be 3-4 days and now its just 2 days. I talked to my GP and she said it doesn't matter


I had an ultra sound 2 years ago on day 14 and my endometrial thickness was written as 5 in the report. I have been concerned about that but none of the doctors who have seen the report ever mentioned it.

 

[Chase]

5mm is a bit thin midcycle (which is what I had at cd 12) I am currently taking oestrogen to see if that will help.

For those of you that have had light afs after d&c following mc, I would look into Asherman's syndrome but make sure that it is a specialist that investigates it as most consultants don't know how to deal with it properly and can do more harm than good. There are only 2 in Britain (Mr Adrian Lower and Geoff Trew), both in London and only 1 is NHS.

I have recently undergone tests for this as I had to have my girls placentas manually removed after giving birth and was worried about scarring, but it has come back clear for me.

xxx

 

[Chase]

It is a relief to read about others who are concerned about their light AF, I think it is the first time I read a similar thread.

Obviously, I fall in that category, AF last two days at most and that, strangely, ever since my m/c last June. There is another thread in ttc about a lady who also started having light AF after her m/c, so wondering if there could be a link. Before this AF, they were also very watery. I was quite excited on tuesday evening when AF came nice and strong, I thought maybe it was back to normal, but by Wednesday evening, it was almost over, only light bleeding yesterday morning,

There is mixed messages around, many saying it is of no concern, other saying it can be oestrogen deficiency. When they scan me after my m/c, they said my lining was looking good, but still wonder whether it could be a problem. I got my cd3 tests done this morning, including oestrogen levels, so will see. Appointment with consultant in Feb, will definitely ask for a scan to check lining.

Muncho, it will be interesting to see if acupuncture helps with this too. I look forward to your feedback. Unfortunately, don't have private insurance -I work for the NHS ha ha-, but will be prepared to pay if results show problems.

I also work for the NHS, but would advise you to get private insurance before you do investigations if you go for Asherman's testing as it has cost me a fortune!!!!!!

 

[Chase]

I meant to ask you girls, do you have normal fertile mucus? It is oestrogen that controls it, so a lack of it with light AF could, I suppose, be an indication of an imbalance. I don't get ewcm any longer, but good wet mucus. I put it down to my taking antihistamine every day for the past 10 years, but who knows.

I do get EWCM, but it is only for around 1 day each month. What is interesting about it though is that on my CBFM I often go from low to peak without hitting high (which is when you get increase in oestrogen), this month since I have been on the oestrogen patches I am on high today cd 9 and have had ewcm since yest, so maybe this is helping?

 

[muncho]

i get a little, but last month i had lots of EWCM , i drank grapefruit juice, took 1000mg EPO from AF to OV and had an orange everyday. they all help with CM and it def worked for me

we also used concieve plus which helps the sperm live longer inside. you need cm to make the environment sperm friendly

sorry dont know about the patches
xx

 

[FBbaby]

Thanks for all this info. So sorry for the loss of your girls. I did read about Asherman's syndrome a while ago, but I m/c naturally, so wouldn't apply to me, I think!

I too did wonder whether low oestrogen levels would reflect on minimal numbers of high on cbfm. I have checked the last 6 cycles, and despite ovulating early (from cd10 to cd13), I have always had at least two highs before the peak, but your situation confirms that there might indeed be a link. Glad that you got a first high this cycle. Cross fingers that the patch will help.

I probably will sign up for private insurance with my OH, but because you have to be with them for a couple of years before you are eligible for fertility treatment and by then I will be really old and I expect have had them within the nhs anyway, I'm not in a rush. There is no preferential treatment working for the NHS, but knowing the loops, it does help. I find that being well informed makes a big difference too. Clinicians take you more seriously, and you are more likely to get the right treatment right away.

Which part of the NHS do yo work for? I'm at the PCT.

 

[muncho]

FB: i work for a pharma company..how funny is that..we deal with PCT and hospitals all the time..
you are right, being informed makes the clinican take u a bit more serious..alot of pts may not be able to understand the medical implications x

 

[FBbaby]

I take epo two, 1000mg mornings and evenings, have done for years as supposed to help with pms too. I tried grapefruit juice last month, but made no difference, haven't seen ewcm for years I think. Not overly worried as I did fell pg in May and had none then. I use preseed to help, even though it is not supposed to be a fertility aid. I might use conceive plus this cycle.

It is so confusing trying to find cause and effect as to why we are struggling to fall pregnant.

 

[FBbaby]

FB: i work for a pharma company..how funny is that..we deal with PCT and hospitals all the time..
you are right, being informed makes the clinican take u a bit more serious..alot of pts may not be able to understand the medical implications x

That's a funny coincidence, three of us (or are there more!) working in the health industry.

 

[muncho]

FB: i work for a pharma company..how funny is that..we deal with PCT and hospitals all the time..
you are right, being informed makes the clinican take u a bit more serious..alot of pts may not be able to understand the medical implications x

That's a funny coincidence, three of us (or are there more!) working in the health industry.

i know, goes ot show it can affect anyone... funny thing is i work for a company that makes one of the egg stimulation injections!! if i told them i would prob get them free but i dont want them to know

FB i cant remember if you said you were having IVF or not, but i have found a few places where you can get your drugs alot cheaper. I will def be getting them through one of these places..if u want details let me know