Anyone have baby that fights naps then becomes craZy?

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My 9 week old fights her naps often. Sometimes I'm too busy with my other 2 to stay on a couch and rocks her until she sleeps and wakes again etc. However on the days when she naps 30 mins here and there she's pleasant until 7pm! Then she looses her mind! So so overtired that I cannot get her to calm down she cries non stop and doesn't even want a feed from how exhausted she is. This goes on for 2 hours then she finally eats and passes out for her night. Nighttime she's pretty good and sleeps in 5 hour increments. Any suggestions on what to do about the nap fighting? My other 2 were very simple text book babies who napped no problem. I don't get why a baby would fight their sleep when they are clearly exhausted!
 
Hey Laila! I have read that sometimes when babies are too tired they can't get off to sleep And they cry because they are so tired. Strange I know.

That being said, my little guy had a few days of being really irritable around 6pm, even though he was fed changed And had napped during the day. He wouldn't cry but would fuss. I also ready that it's quite common for some babies To get fussy around the evenings And they grow out of it.

Also sometimes they just want To be Held And have some mum And me time. I used to get so carried away with setting a routine I forgot that he sometimes just needs To be Held And cuddled just for the sake of it!

Hope your lo grows out of the evening fusses quick! X
 
This is Isla completely!! She just won't nap and then hysterically screams for ages!! I try and get her to have naps in the day but she doesn't even drop off in the car!!
Like you I have another child so rocking her to sleep is sometimes impossible, I'm sorry I have no solution but just to let you know your not alone!!
 
Sounds like mine. Wouldn't even have those 30minute naps after a while and was awake all day!! I imagine that the early evening is a time when its hard to read her sleep cues as you have dinner to prep and other children to get in to bed so maybe using a sling from about 5:30 - 6pm would help as sen will be "rocked" by your activity and may be happy to sleep as she is on you.
 
It helped me a ton with my LO to get him to sleep before he became over tired. Healthy Sleep Habits happy baby is a great book. That being said my son wasn't on any sort of regular pattern of day sleep until he was about 5 months.
 
Thanks girls. It's. Just frustrating. On top of the sleep fighting she doesn't want to be put down so the minute I put her down she goes from a sound sleep to completely awake again and fussing... And we repeat. I keep trying to put her down but this is getting on my last nerve! My first 2 babies were so easy and such good babies I wish I had appreciated them more because now I'm getting a taste of what a difficult baby is and it sucks!
 
Our oldest always fought naptime! Threw full out tantrums around the 1 year mark. Have you tried anything different in her naptime routine? Maybe some white noise or music? Room darkening shades? Maybe try putting her down a tad early? Or later? When rocking to sleep no longer worked for us we played some lullaby music in his room which helped him calm down enough to sleep. Now he's 17 months and asks to go down for his nap...music no longer needed :)
 
Thanks girls. It's. Just frustrating. On top of the sleep fighting she doesn't want to be put down so the minute I put her down she goes from a sound sleep to completely awake again and fussing... And we repeat. I keep trying to put her down but this is getting on my last nerve! My first 2 babies were so easy and such good babies I wish I had appreciated them more because now I'm getting a taste of what a difficult baby is and it sucks!

If putting her down wakes her up then it may well be she's overtired when it comes to fighting her next nap. A sling could definitely help as you won't need to put her down but can still pay attention to your other kids.
 
My lo now is an easy baby for the most part. But he wasn't when he had silent reflux. He even woke every 10-30 mins at night.

IF he misses his naps the whole evening will be hell and he will require loud music and rocking all night to be okay :wacko:
I can avoid him crying that way but it is very exhausting.

He also easily wakes when being put down for a nap so if he won't stay down I hold him for his naps. I have arms like Popeye now but it is no fun! My first would at least nap next to me laying down.
 
This happened to us yesterday. Then last night she was screaming and was so hard to console! She would go from crying, to quieting down, then ramping back up with the crying again. The usual rocking and/or nursing routine to get her to go to sleep wasn't working. She ended up screaming herself to sleep in my arms :( She did go to sleep after that though.. thankfully she didn't wake up when I put her in her crib and we all got to sleep by 8pm and she slept until 345am (we wake up at 4am so it was almost the entire night!). It's so hard to see her cry like that though.
 
The thing with me is that I firmly believe in routine and bad habits which is why I outright refuse to carry her in a sling all day long. She's perfectly capable of napping in her swing and therefore I keep trying to put her down when she's asleep. I also can't hold her for naps, that makes no sense to me esp with other children. However, by the grace of God she knows when it's night and will do a full nights sleep 930pm until 630am in her crib in her room Noooooo problem. It's the daytime naps that are really a hit and miss. I also sleep trained my other 2 at about 5 months old so I'll be doing the same if this one hasn't adjusted into a routine by then.... I think though you are right, I will try to put her down before she gets over tired I need to learn how to read her sleep cues better....
 
This sounds like my second baby exactly. He just couldn't settle down on his own and then got overtired and was just impossible after that. It was so bad I actually sleep trained him at 4 months, and he was a dream after that. Much more content and happy. I understand with other kids you can't hold them all day long, just a phase they'll get through until they're old enough to be sleep trained.
 
This sounds like my second baby exactly. He just couldn't settle down on his own and then got overtired and was just impossible after that. It was so bad I actually sleep trained him at 4 months, and he was a dream after that. Much more content and happy. I understand with other kids you can't hold them all day long, just a phase they'll get through until they're old enough to be sleep trained.

Oh yes mamma! I'm counting down the days until I can sleep train! Can't wait!!!
 
My 6 weeker does this too. She naps during the day but come evening, she cries for no reason. I read it's a common thing called "witching hour" or overtired. Hopefully it's a phase and they grow out of it!
 
What is sleep training? How/when is it done?

Google it :)...I use whats called the 'Ferber' sleep training method. It's the best way to get your baby sleeping through the night. I've done it with all 3 of my kiddos and plan on doing it with my almost 6 week old when she is old enough.
 
This sounds like my second baby exactly. He just couldn't settle down on his own and then got overtired and was just impossible after that. It was so bad I actually sleep trained him at 4 months, and he was a dream after that. Much more content and happy. I understand with other kids you can't hold them all day long, just a phase they'll get through until they're old enough to be sleep trained.

Oh yes mamma! I'm counting down the days until I can sleep train! Can't wait!!!

Right?! I can't wait either!
 
My older toddler was a baby that fought sleep then looses her mind...but now she is a toddler that fights sleep and looses her mind... I never knew what to do about it. Nowadays I try to encourage naps at around 1 or 2 by keeping the room dark and relaxed. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. She actually outright tells me mommy I don't want to sleep even though I can see sleep in her eyes!!

She gets really cranky when she hasn't napped and throws tantrums over literally nothing. I try to just weather the storm till it passes. But then by 7 or 8pm (I try to watch for her own queues) I put her in her pjs and she crawls into bed and fells asleep till early morning. My younger one, however, falls asleep on his own most of the time.
 
This sounds like my second baby exactly. He just couldn't settle down on his own and then got overtired and was just impossible after that. It was so bad I actually sleep trained him at 4 months, and he was a dream after that. Much more content and happy. I understand with other kids you can't hold them all day long, just a phase they'll get through until they're old enough to be sleep trained.

Oh yes mamma! I'm counting down the days until I can sleep train! Can't wait!!!

Right?! I can't wait either!



Gurlllll I did the same with my older 2! Straight ferber! No none sense around 5-6 months and let me tell you that shit works wonders! Both slept 14 hour nights without a peep since. I can't wait till this one is old enough so I can sleep train her too and we can all get a full nights sleep and live happily every after :kiss:
 
I don't know if there are any new methods of "sleep training" these days....but I thought it isn't really practiced anymore? At least I don't know of any mother here that does it.

Usually when questions regarding sleep come up during la leche league meet ups we tell mothers this:
- Night wakings are important for development (especially brain)
- Night wakings can prevent SIDS due to the baby not spending much time in very deep sleep (SIDS is most common until 1 year of age)

I researched sleep training and can hardly find any good source that recommends it: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ents-misled-cry-it-out-sleep-training-reports

5. Parenting media fail to understand traumafrom an infant’s perspective:*

In light of developmental neuroscience, the advice parents get from the baby-sleep-training instruction books is:

Risky for babies under six months, whose nervous systems are calibrating set points for life (Caldji, 2000).

Damaging for babies at risk for an*attachmentdisorder, conservatively estimated at 40% of babies, which puts them at risk for mental illness.

Ill-advised for*all*babies who experience intense levels of panic from natural and healthy instincts that*compel them to stay close to parents when sleeping.

Dangerous for*all*the babies who don’t just fuss for a couple of minutes but go into full hyper-arousal and then dissociative withdrawal. This is a common response for a distressed infant (Perry, 1998).*

The cry-it-out advice is risky because in these cases, being left to cry is a trauma.

Being left alone at all is stressful for baby mammals (Levine, 2005). Their biological systems become disorganized when separated from caregivers because they have no sense of safety apart from adults. When their*distress calls (cries) are then ignored*they instinctually panic—their lifeline is gone. (More on the brain’s*Separation distress neuro-circuitry.) Once we understand that babies are operating from a survival instinct-dominant, immature brain with limited ability to rationalize, the*plentiful trauma research clearly applies.*Infants can experience PTSD, toxic distress, depression and dissociation in response to crying-it-out.

This is how distress (signaled by crying) becomes trauma.

I let my children dictate their sleep all the way. My first began to develop a sleeping pattern at 1 month, sleeping 4 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 2 hours until 6 months. Then he began sleeping a longer stretch of 6 hrs. Past a year he began sleeping through the night. I had 4 hours of free time every night after he went to sleep. We never had any trouble getting him to sleep, he still sleeps great at 5 years old.
My 3 month old is currently sleeping at night: 5-6 hrs and then wakes again after 2, stays up for 2, naps for 3 hours, stays up for another hour, naps another three.
With his gum aches I had to hold him while napping because he would frequently wake. Now I can put him down after he falls into a deep sleep. If I can I lay with him and he sleeps better but I have been able to get up the past week. I am positive he will sleep well during the day on his own when he is ready just like my first.

I understand with multiple children nap time is not an easy task, especially in modern life. I just don't see a better solution than suffering through the first few months :lol:
When I think back of how hard the beginning was for us...We dealt with multiple infections after birth, then his reflux and gas, my broken ribs felt a lot worse then too, he hardly slept because Reflux Episodes would wake him...and now everything is better and we sleep so well at night.

I would not worry about "bad habits". A babys mind does not have the ability to "manipulate" you (scientifically proven)...so everything they want, they really need. Even if it is being held all day (emotionally) They act on instincts. Studies have also shown that babys that stop sending cues often simply give up because they don't expect to get help. Not because they learned to "self soothe" or be content. Even if no crying was involved...it teaches that mom ignores cues to say it simply (not judgemental here but this is how science sees it.

What is good listening to every tiny cue is that babys stop crying. Both of mine did. The most he will do is fuss a bit but only when he is very tired. Other than that he has little signs or even tries to babble to explain what he wants :D.
 

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