Breastfeeding as a natural way of immunisation

[mickey]

still being very upset 'bout the sudden flare up of eczema after the second lot of jabs given to Juleika I was thinking a lot into it!

as it still rings in my ears "breast is beast" for the benefitial of passing on antibodies to the baby, and me being still immune against all illnesses they immunise here for, due to a travel to India in Nov 2005, I am wondering if I do not pass those antibodies to her anyway

maybe this is even the reason in particular why her body overreacts to the jabs???

would appreciate your opinions about

 

[Wobbles]

I have no idea or opinion ...

Hope you find your answer though!

 

[Vickie]

I don't know quite what to tell you. I can tell you that in my family I have one niece with eczema (she was bottle fed) and my sister in law (she's 5) has eczema, and she was breastfeed.

 

[Christi81]

Any immunities to diseases that you have cannot be passed though placenta or breast milk. Eczema is generally an allergic reaction that shows up on the skin and in it's worst cases is is caused by agents that cannot be eliminated from the environment.

 

[mickey]

Any immunities to diseases that you have cannot be passed though placenta or breast milk. Eczema is generally an allergic reaction that shows up on the skin and in it's worst cases is is caused by agents that cannot be eliminated from the environment.

why it is then said that antibodies are passed on through breastmilk?

regarding the eczma flare up, I found this:

https://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Library/News/Mercury_thiomersal_and_Vaccines_Statement_16_01_03

which seems to explain everything! now they should offer me either the vaccine without the substance or another alternative! otherwise I will sue them, as I was at the GP twice and three times in hospital because of her eczma flare up and nobody told me this!!!

 

[Christi81]

What I meant is that the immunizations you received as a child and any foreign diseases that you have been immunized for as an adult will not be passed on to your child. Immunities to things like pneumonia, bronchitis, and other simple diseases. You should really read for yourself before I confuse you more.

This is a great place to start
lalecheleague.org

As far as immunizations go, that is a whole other debate. My opinion on immunizations is not very high. I do not vaccinate my children and they are just as healthy if not more healthy than other children their age, in my opinion. Immunizations are really something that you have to research and make a decision based on your findings and understandings of the information.

I found a lot of information and links to other websites on vaccineinfo.net

 

[mickey]

the immunity will not be passed on, but I thought the antibodies I have?

 

[mickey]

I do not vaccinate my children and they are just as healthy if not more healthy than other children their age, in my opinion.

do you mind me asking, why do you not vaccinate your children?

Immunizations are really something that you have to research and make a decision based on your findings and understandings of the information.

that's what I did!

 

[Christi81]

I have found in my studies and understandings to show that more harm than good has come from vaccinations. The different processes that they go through to manufacture the immunizations (rat brains, monkey kidneys, etc.) were rather disturbing as well. They put so many vaccinations into one shot now that you are vaccinating your child for up to 20 diseases, nearly erradicated diseases, at one time. These vaccinations weaken your childs immune system while it is developing antibodies to these diseases. Granted now your child is immune to polio and diptheria, but these are also diseases that we are not exposed to any more. Also, the extra ingredients that they put in these vaccinations are not healthy for our children. They changed the mercury in the vaccinations to thermosal, which is a derivitive of mercury, so really they changed the name not the ingredient. Heavy metals are a huge factor in non-development of the brain in a child. I don't find it coincidence that since we started increasing the amount of immunizations that we give to our children we have also seen a rise in autism and childhood cancer. I really could go on and on and on. You can find so much information on diseases that have been linked to vaccinations. But, you will also find a lot of doctors who say that these findings are false. These doctors usually have a lot at stake though. Whether it be shareholdings in the vaccine manufacturers or just the fact that pediatricians collect most of their business from vaccinations that correspond with check ups.

Okay, I really should stop now. I have so many things rambling through my head when it comes to vaccines I get a little over excited about it. One more reason we chose not to vaccinate was because our second child was diagnosed with a genetic disease that made it danerous to catch even a cold. The specialists decided that the vaccinations were to risky for him, because they would deffinitely weaken his immune system and allow him to get sick.

 

[marley2580]

I haven't vaccinated Kaya either, for many of the same reasons. I'm considering giving her the 5 in 1 once she starts taking solids, but I've not totally decided yet.

 

[Christi81]

I haven't vaccinated Kaya either, for many of the same reasons. I'm considering giving her the 5 in 1 once she starts taking solids, but I've not totally decided yet.

The best way I have found to vaccinate if you chose to do so is to do it one at a time. Your doctor can take those 5 things in the one vaccination and vaccinate at 5 seperate times each time vaccinating one disease. Yes, you have to give your child 5 shots, but it's not as threatening to their immune system. We have also decided to wait until our youngest is at least 5 before we make any immunization decisions. We feel at that age that his body and brain will be developed enough to handle the possible side effects. That is IF we vaccinate. At this point, I don't see any reason to.

 

[marley2580]

The vaccines in the 5 in 1 are not available seperatly any more.

 

[Christi81]

The vaccines in the 5 in 1 are not available seperatly any more.

I guess it depends on where you are. Here in the states they are. It is more expensive at the doctors office, but the health department will do them separately as well.

 

[mickey]

I have found in my studies and understandings to show that more harm than good has come from vaccinations. The different processes that they go through to manufacture the immunizations (rat brains, monkey kidneys, etc.) were rather disturbing as well. They put so many vaccinations into one shot now that you are vaccinating your child for up to 20 diseases, nearly erradicated diseases, at one time. These vaccinations weaken your childs immune system while it is developing antibodies to these diseases. Granted now your child is immune to polio and diptheria, but these are also diseases that we are not exposed to any more. Also, the extra ingredients that they put in these vaccinations are not healthy for our children. They changed the mercury in the vaccinations to thermosal, which is a derivitive of mercury, so really they changed the name not the ingredient. Heavy metals are a huge factor in non-development of the brain in a child. I don't find it coincidence that since we started increasing the amount of immunizations that we give to our children we have also seen a rise in autism and childhood cancer. I really could go on and on and on. You can find so much information on diseases that have been linked to vaccinations. But, you will also find a lot of doctors who say that these findings are false. These doctors usually have a lot at stake though. Whether it be shareholdings in the vaccine manufacturers or just the fact that pediatricians collect most of their business from vaccinations that correspond with check ups.

exactly this is what I found by using my A-level biology knowledge as a background in addition with common sense and research.
as well I am now convinced that vaccinations are causing allergies!!!
I said to OH, nowadays the pharmaceutic industry is a political instrument in itsself!!!
I put a halt on Juleika's infant-vaccination programm until further notice!
in my opinion, from what has happened, the risk, she develops a lifetime allergic skin condition if we continue, is much more high than dying from, or suffering from a lifetime condition caused by, any of those diseases!!!
we would have the appoinment for the third lot tomorrow, go there as well as I want to speak to the nurse. I am very curious what she has to say about the sudden eczma flare up on Juleika's skin and want to see her face, when I tell her, so far no vaccine for my baby anymore!

I appreciate your responses

 

[Christi81]

Just make sure you are ready for a debate. My doctor gives me the riot act everytime we see him. The health care field is very much for the vaccinations, but you just have to let them know that you have made a choice and until you feel different about it this is how it's going to be. It's difficult at first, you feel like you have to explain yourself and people will ask you questions that you may not be able to answer. People will try to convince you otherwise, but as long as you stand by your research you will be fine.

 

[mickey]

Just make sure you are ready for a debate. My doctor gives me the riot act everytime we see him. The health care field is very much for the vaccinations, but you just have to let them know that you have made a choice and until you feel different about it this is how it's going to be. It's difficult at first, you feel like you have to explain yourself and people will ask you questions that you may not be able to answer. People will try to convince you otherwise, but as long as you stand by your research you will be fine.

thx

I was expecting this and I am very well prepared!!!
(print out of NHS statement, print out of information about vaccinations for sufferers from sickle cell anaemia (Juleika is carrier of haemoglobin C) and print out of a chart of all vaccines showing their ingridients + pictures of the rush Juleika had!!!

besides when I have an opinion it is not that easy to persuade me from different as I am taurus

I just ignored the nurse already before, when she was always going on about the tuberculosis vaccine. she kept on asking us if we made an appoinment for it already, she didn't even ask, if we want her to be immunised

 

[Christi81]

I wish you nothing but luck. Keep me updated on how it goes.

 

[mickey]

we went to the appoinment yesterday and the nurse showed herself understandingly as to our concerns! she acted like at the end it is our decision whether to immunise or not and supported our decision to wait until the 2nd of April, when we have an appoinment at the dermatology in hospital and to see if it can be indicated what caused the skin rush!

so far, good news from this side

 

[fiona-thom]

Ah yes this is the question, not to immunise? -- I've spent the last 6 months reading everything I can and I still haven't reached a conclusion I'm one hundred percent happy with...

Next time, I've decied I'm going to wait till my child is about 2-years old, or at the very least older than he was, due to the amount of alluminium, perhaps....

I've read 'The Truth About Vaccines: How We Are Used as Guinea Pigs Without Knowing It' by Richard Halvorsen. Anyone else? It's interesting reading.

Personally I think it's about weighed risks. Do you think your child is more at risk from menigitis than the vaccine against menigitis etc etc...Vaccines not only work, but they work phenomenally well, for example Hib was the most common cause of bacterial meningitis, accounting for approximately 15,000 cases and 400 to 500 deaths every year. The incidence of cases and deaths per year had been steady for decades. After the current Hib vaccine was introduced, the incidence of Hib meningitis declined to fewer than fifty cases per year! And several studies show no links to autism. Personally I think is more that they are being diagnosed. Also there is much more out there apart from these jabs, including the diet we have Today.

Because most children are vaccinated these days, these diseases are not very common. This means that even if your child is not vaccinated, his or her chances of getting the diseases are still pretty low. The trouble is, if a lot of parents stop vaccinating their children, these terrible diseases could become common again. But what I do find annoying is they vaccinate because it's cheaper... instead of other ways to deal with infectious diseases.

Cumulative levels of mercury contained in multiple vaccines were not greater that those considered to be safe by the FDA, WHO, or ATSDR. However, the levels of mercury contained in multiple vaccines did slightly exceed those considered to be safe by the EPA. Considering that high diets of fish etc... can also cause similar amounts. (EPA looked closely at a study performed in Iraq where pregnant women were exposed to large quantities of methylmercury that had been used to fumigate grain. The EPA then estimated the lowest dose of mercury that was found to cause neurodevelopmental delay in the fetus whose mother ingested this seed grain. From this they calculated the lowest dose of methymercury that could possibly harm an unborn child. They then divided this dose by a safety factor of ten to determine the lowest acceptable dose of mercury). Thimerosal doesn't contain the form of mercury that contaminates the environment. Environmental mercury is usually methylmercury, whereas the mercury contained in vaccines is in the form of ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is excreted in the urine more quickly than methylmercury and is less likely to accumulate in the body.

Please note I am not pro/anti... I just like to put two-sides of the coins down, before we all rush off to cancel our vaccination appointments....

Btw -- Eczema - It just means that vaccinations - just like pollen and many other things it's capable of producing a reaction in people who are sensitive to the elements included in vaccinations probably.... sounds like it gets pretty bad though.

 

[marley2580]

That's the book that I've read. It's very balanced and very good.