Chinese Accupuncture

[melly2]

Bbliss: thinking of you today!

Ugh...I think I'm miscarrying. I'm having some bleeding and cramping today. Not heavy bleeding, but some bleeding. I'm waiting to hear back from my nurse or doctor. Though some bleeding is normal, I'm not sure where this falls into.

 

[Briss]

melly, I am keeping my fingers crossed for you. unfortunately IVF pregnancies tend to have bleeding very often. there are various theories (e.g. too much progesterone etc), most of which are not helpful but the bottom line it's probably going to be fine. still, better to get checked just to be on the safe side

 

[melly2]

Briss: Thanks for the info. It's not bleeding anymore, but I do have one helluva headache. I do think there is something going on with hormone fluctuating. I'm hoping to hear from the doctor soon.

 

[kits]

Melly, get as much bed rest as possible. I'm not sure what your lifestyle is like but be bed bound if possible. Give your body some rest, please!

Keep us updated. As Briss said it may be nothing, but praying for you the bleeding doesn't come back

Loads of

 

[kits]

Best of luck tomorrow Bliss, I like your style of getting the massage before your transfer fingers crossed for you!

Thanks for the hcg reassurance, I just really don't want to loose another one. The doctor was useless, but said I have a uti which was a bit of a relief so I'm on celafaxin. She did 2 urine tests, both came out with definite negative.. But it was an afternoon urine. I showed her the photos of all my tests & she said the faint lines look negative to her with no comment on the digital that clearly states pregnant. She wasn't even sure how to work the hpt

Luckily she gave me 3 more hpt to test at home. So I used one with pee I had from this morning that I saved for this particular reason & yep another faint positive.

Still too early for them to confirm the pregnancy & hopefully the pain will go away when the uti does. That's where I'm at & I think I'm ok with that

 

[BBbliss]

Melly hang in there, remember you had a healthy embryo!

My next door neighbor had bleeding every month for first trimester and didn't find out she was pregnant until she was 5months. So this could be nothing serious. FX!

 

[Briss]

Bbbliss, I am praying your FET goes well!!! Cant believe it's tomorrow. so quick. I like your plan with acu and massage and taking it easy for the rest of the week. sounds perfect!

kits, I hope everything will be fine and you can relax and enjoy your pregnancy. I would not temp after BFP because it's just too stressful. it's unfortunate that you had to work so hard. relax as much as you can. I was hoping doc will reassure you but it's so useless. he should have checked your blood, not urine!! it takes ages for the pregnancy hormone to get into your urine, blood is the fastest way to know. My Dh was the same, when he saw a faint line he said it was not a proper line but I saw ladies with such faint lines that I honestly could not see anything at all and yet they had healthy pregnancies. praying things will develop into a healthy pregnancy!

Blythe, it was my 3rd cycle spotting. it all started in NZ, not sure what prompted it. I did not take any supps while in NZ but have been on my usual list on my 2nd and 3rd months of spotting and none of it made any difference. I am thinking either egg quality/menopause or thyroid are responsible. although I do not have it very clear in my mind how these two are connected to spotting. I remember that you had spotting in the past but it resolved on its own I think. I do hope my cycle will get back to normal. I would not pay attention to your first post IVF meds cycle, your body is trying to recover after all the meds it had to go through. I think your cycle will improve this month. I am worried about my spotting cos I think it's a sign of something negative going on but cant figure out what. I am going to ask an endocrinologist if this might be to do with thyroid. tbh, I cant see acu/herbs are doing anything. spotting started before that and carries on regardless. let's see if the second month of herbs will do the trick.

I cant wait to see what good things will come out of your intense acu/herbs programme. It must be doing something amazing. My previous Chinese doc told me that things would improve much faster if I could do acu daily! I would not mind seeing Dr E more often but for some reason he thinks once a week is only for the first month and then once every fortnight is sufficient.

a colleague who gave birth a few months ago is scheduling a visit to the office to show her new-born. Joy! I know what you mean about being stuck, it's like Groundhog Day sort of thing, it's the same thing over and over months after months. 4 years of my life have been eaten and I cant remember anything but stay strong/add new supps/ovulation/BD/test/AF/cry repeat. I hate it when people ask what's new. I do not know what to say and I often feel like I might start crying unless I come with some joke really fast and change the subject.

You WILL have a baby (BFP at least) by next month! that's final.

afm, AF is truly here but I really cant say which day is CD1 today or yesterday. hate the spotting! was trying to book my scan but until I know my FSH levels I really do not feel like committing myself to anything this cycle. My intuition is usually spot on, for some reason I ignore it a lot of the time but deep down I seem to always know the answer.

 

[gingmg]

Melly- Hang in there!

BBbliss- Great plan for transfer day! Praying for a healthy sticky bean for you! I am so excited for you!!

 

[Blythe]

Bbbliss - I hope it all goes smoothly today. Thinking of you

 

[kits]

Best of luck Bliss!!!

 

[kits]

I have spotting today but no pain. My faint frer has now become a negative but the extra test the doctor gave me yesterday is a faint positive. I give up! Whatever happens, happens!

I should've listened to you Briss & stopped testing!

Where on earth can I get progesterone on the NHS? I'm no expert but I keep thinking I need some.

 

[Briss]

kits, I am very sorry about spotting It's so upsetting. there can still be a happy ending it's possible that you ovulated later than you thought and it's just too early (NHS test sticks are the least sensitive, they only pick up beta of over 100 while FRER picks up even below 9 which is super early). also it's possible that your urine sample just does not quite work because of UTI. I really hope things will work out for you, hang in there. The NHS is not much help at all. you can ask for progesterone testing and prescription if yours is low but they can be difficult. I cant help you here cos I use my firm's GP, they usually give you whatever you ask and refer to whoever you want if you can justify it for the insurance. as I mentioned before I do my bloods privately cos it's impossible to get them done on the NHS, I mean it's possible but it will take weeks/months.

 

[kits]

That's so true Briss! If we had more money I'd be able to do much more privately but at this stage I don't think I can. It's so heartbreaking with the NHS.

I've tried to search for clinics like yours up here, I'm in Preston which is north of Manchester but the progesterone tests seem to cost at least £100 for one. How much do the bloods at your clinic cost? Wonder if its worth a trip down there but i always thought London area was much more expensive. So it's going to add up quite fast for me. It's great you get to have that easily available. May look more into finding other clinics.

I read a lady who bought progesterone cream online so I may look into that. I'll do plenty of research before jumping any guns though. Still considering asking for an emergency ACU session.

Luckily I'm still feeling nausea so I'm clinging on to that as hope. Last time I checked there were just traces of spotting, I really hope that stays away, none of it has been bright red. Just dull red/brown so just praying it's implantation as I don't have any pains. I felt a little bit of tightening type cramps a little while ago so just trying to stay positive & that it's my uterus making room.

Lots of ladies. Can't wait to hear how it went with melly!

 

[kits]

What?!! No way, just found the prices for your tests at path lab! If I can't find one like that up here I am sooo driving to London like tonight!

 

[melly2]

Kits: I do know you can buy progesterone cream online, because I have some. Spotting is "normal" as my doctor told me yesterday.

Bbliss: Good luck today, I'll be thinking of you.

AFM: Talked to my doctor, and they're not too concerned. I have very slight spotting when I wipe...like it's way up in my cervix. I have an ultrasound tomorrow, so I'm anxious to see how that turns out.

 

[Briss]

kits, 100 pounds for just progesterone is really expensive! it should be around 30. I've just spent 60 on FSH/Oestradiol, not cheap when you add it all up but there is no alternative. NHS will not do my bloods just because I feel I need to know the results on this particular day. It might be worth while calling my London lab and ask if they can recommend anyone in your area? I'd never known we have this lab if it was not for a fellow IVF sufferer on one of UCH boards. TTC community is so wonderful, informative and supportive! Sometime I feel very proud to be part of it (but mostly feel sad of course). progesterone cream might be the best way to start actually. it's not as hard core as suppositories but I am not sure if you need a prescription, probably not. definitely go for acu, my previous doc was very proud of saving babies as she called it. she treated pregnant women who had bleeding in their first trimester cos the NHS will not do anything to save the pregnancy before 12 weeks is out.

melly, thinking of you and your little one. hopefully everything is going well, some minor spotting is common in pregnancies. best of luck with your scan tomorrow

Bbliss, cant wait to hear your news!! best of luck!

afm, I feel defeated, got my FSH results back and it's 16 – too high, there is no point doing the test at UCH today. My Oestradiol levels are strangely loo at 70. I've never had such low Oestradiol (it's usually around 200) so I am thinking that maybe if I repeat the test in a day Oestradiol will get higher and suppress FSH a little bit to get it to at least 12? I know it all looks like a lot of trouble and money waste but the alternative is just to forget about this cycle and try again next month but it might be the same story. Dr E was hoping my FSH would be around 12, no such luck. I suppose I should be happy it's not much higher than before considering two failed IVfs and stims.

Had my acupuncture session today. I asked about spotting again and showed him my chart and progesterone results. He agreed that progesterone is fine and the chart looks what it should be. the difference between pre and post O temp is about 0.3 and it should be between 0.2-0.5 so all look normal. He completely disregarded my temp rise on 11 DPO and said it has nothing to do with my hormones or my cycle it must be caused by external factors like lack of sleep or minor infection. He thinks egg/follicle quality is not responsible for my spotting cos it would have affected my progesterone levels. It's possible that I have a polyp which aggravates in the second half of my cycle as progesterone increases and that's causing spotting. Generally he said it looks like the spotting might be caused by the excess rather than lack of something in my case.

My tongue is still red so heat is still there. He needled the usual points. no heat lamp. I asked about electro-acu but he said he uses it for pain relief and ovulation induction only. I asked if I should have acu more often but he said it will not make a difference and wont speed up the result.

I am so tired, It's so hard to manage my deals at work and fit into all this FSH/TTC mania, I've been running around town half day trying to get everything done and be ready to repeat the bloods at UCH if necessary and now I just feel exhausted, obviously disappointed cos it all came to nothing and yet there is so much to do at work. Should I just give up maybe? go for the bloods at UCH, face the music and move on privately? or should I carry on trying hoping for some miracle?

 

[alison29]

Melly: I had spotting around 5 .5 wks pregs and everything was fine. They said just some old blood coming out.

Briss: I am useless when it comes to all those levels, but i am thinking of you

AFM got AF to day. So had perfect timing so i know it' s not that this month. I know you all are probably eye rolling at this next thing BUT now i have given up gluten and I swear it my skin is no longer oily and no break outs (fingers crosse) I had no idea gluten allergy could cause acne. apparently especially if breakouts are around mouth and chin. Gluten is in everthing processed. Gluten can cause systemic inflammation just like sugar and everything else tasty. So been off of it for 9 days.

Kits: I never get ANY lines not even a hint so this sounds like a good sign to me.

 

[alison29]

Has anyone else given up gluten? I know it's sort of trendy but it is really the only thing i have ever seen beside accutane and mega dose B5 that has gotten rid of my oily skin problem.

 

[kits]

I'm sorry Briss, I know how much you've been struggling with your FSH levels I take it AF wouldn't affect your numbers at all? So you can't blame her for that?

I don't think I have any words of comfort for you as I have no actual knowledge of your situation or IVF, etc. but will listen to you anytime.

I'm not sure if your acu has mentioned this, but mine kept drilling into me the importance about not getting worked & tensed up about this. She said that alone causes too much tension to the female reproductive area. So as worked up as I'm getting over my situation I am constantly finding myself taking deep breathes and counting to ten (or a 100) to calm myself down. I told myself after my mc that if I were to have the chance to be pregnant again I wold do all I could to stay positive no matter what the outcome may be, at least I know I'm giving it a chance.

I know you're reaching the end of your tether hun and by no means do I think you should stop TTC but maybe take a more relaxed approach (fully expect to have my head bitten off at this point!). I know it's difficult because time isn't on our side (damn bio clock ) but maybe we should all just go on holiday or get massages or whatever we need to find inner peace.

Have a cocktail or glass of wine!

Take care ok.

 

[kits]

Sorry AF got you Time to start a fresh new cycle, good luck with the sympotoms!

^5 on the gluen free Alison. I was about 95% gluten free but recently it's been more like 90%. I bought my OH a 2 packets of croissants (2 in each) that hasn't really eaten so i've sneaked a bite a day.

I love learning & talking about food nutrition. Although I have to also admit since finding out that I could be pregnant I have gone off my NutriBullet which was helping me get my fruit & veggies. I just can't seem to want them at all. I have been nauseaus for a few days so the idea of a veg & fruit smoothie really puts me off. In fact I've not been eating too well come to think of it. Have cereal & some form of meat for tea but not much. I feel a bit hungry but I've lost my apetitie big time.

Aside from that, I don't care what they say about calories in fruits, I'm having them! There's too much goodness in them.

I stay away from cakes, muffins, everything chocolate, hell no to donuts & anything like that so I think I'm entitled to fruits!

I also only eat organic or from a very reputable butcher.

One thing I've even substitued is rice. I blend cauliflower tell it becomes tiny littles bits, cook it for less than a minute with a bit of water & just use that as rice. I love it

Ok I'll shut up about this now.

Pretty obvious I didn't go to work today, huh?