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they said up to 5 business days in general but were hoping to send me the results tomorrow. I will be in meetings all day tomorrow and probably wednesday so wont be able to check the results before my return. But as I said my FSH is high so I am not looking forward to AMH result, would be interesting to know DHEa though cos if it's low I may start taking your brand (although I am angry most of the time even without it). It's such a shame we do not have blood test centers like that in the UK, it would make our life so much easier. I really need my hubby to take a number of tests but it's such a headache with getting a referal etc.
 
got my test results! so soon, everything except for AMH probably takes longer. all good but I tested positive for "anti-Toxoplasma gondii IgG" but no surprises for me I already knew I was positive, just need to keep an eye on it. I know it can be dangerous if you get it while pregnant but since I already have it it should be fine cos it means I am sort of immune to it.

My DHEA is 5.1 and the norm is between 0,9-11,7 so I guess I am right in the middle and probably there is scope for some more :)
 
Wonderful!! Thats great and very reassuring...

Im in the 2ww so got a BD session in at 2am as felt very string ovulation pains when going to bed last night but DH too tired to BD so he set his alarm!

I think they have messed up third sperm sample but they will confirm today....was in tears yesterday...just dont know what to do....will be putting in official complaint but need a SA result for my fertility specialist appt!!
 
Blythe, nice temp rise! you probably O yesterday but still good to get one last BD session you never know. It's outrages how can they keep messing up your SA's!! I am so sorry you have to go through this. At least your DH is tolerant but a lot of men simply wont do it again. Definatelly compain if they screwed it but fingers crossed it's fine.

I got 5 days free complementary VIP FF so you can see what I've been up to. I usually put all my symptoms and other things in even when I have simple FF membership but then copy my charts once every few months when I get complemenatry VIP membership when I can actually see all these features.

I delayed my return flight for tomorrow eve so will be working from the hotel tomorrow. it's quite nice :) already had some wine somehow I do not feel pregnant, 1-2 more days until I know for sure. it's annoyining how at the begining of the cycle I was sure I am disregarding it but now when AF is due any minute my hopes are getting up almost against my will. smth tells me there will be tears this week...

One positive thing to keep me going is that my DH went for SA test today! on his own mind you! now if I get AF I will call my FS and ask to repeat FSH test on CD3 and if it's gone down we can finally be refered for IVF. not that I look forward to IVF, it's more I want to be refered to a proper clinic and if we are still unlucky after 3 months of no beer I hope we can do IUI or naturtal IVF.

still waiting for my AMH results.
 
Briss - i hope your flight back to the UK was ok.

I have looked at your charts and this latest one looks like a massive improvement on the others...will be keeping everything crossed those temps stay high when you start temping again. Did you get the AMH results?

i thankfully got the SA result today but it involved a great deal of chasing and upset along the way...anyhow i have no idea what it all means...does this make any sense to you?

Liquefaction: complete
volume: 1.5ml
concentration: 29
total number: 43.5
progressive: 56%
non-progressive: 9%
non-motile: 35%
normal forms: 5%

i have no idea if it is good or bad or a bit of both...any advice gratefully received:flower:
 
Hi Blythe,

Check this website, gives some numbers and explains nicely:
https://www.fertilovit.com/en-us/kinderwunsch/spermienqualität.aspx


Standard Values for Spermiogram (WHO)
Ejaculate volume
≥ 1,5 ml
PH-value
≥ 7,2
Sperm concentration
≥ 15 million sperms per ml
Total sperm count
≥ 39 million sperms
Motility
≥ 32 % progressively moving spermatozoa, ≥ 40 % mobile sperms
Morphology
>4 % normal shape
Percentage of living sperms (Eosin-test)
≥ 58 %
Anti sperm antibodies
Mixed antiglobulin reaction (MAR)

< 50 % sperms with particles attached


Leucocytes
< 1 million per ml
 
Hi Blythe,

Check this website, gives some numbers and explains nicely:
https://www.fertilovit.com/en-us/kinderwunsch/spermienqualität.aspx


Standard Values for Spermiogram (WHO)
Ejaculate volume
&#8805; 1,5 ml
PH-value
&#8805; 7,2
Sperm concentration
&#8805; 15 million sperms per ml
Total sperm count
&#8805; 39 million sperms
Motility
&#8805; 32 % progressively moving spermatozoa, &#8805; 40 % mobile sperms
Morphology
>4 % normal shape
Percentage of living sperms (Eosin-test)
&#8805; 58 %
Anti sperm antibodies
Mixed antiglobulin reaction (MAR)

< 50 % sperms with particles attached


Leucocytes
< 1 million per ml


Oh that is reassuring....thanks malamae:flower:

I was getting hung up on the normal forms bit but that is just motility which needs to be over 4% to be normal range and DH is 5% so thats ok i guess.

How is it going?
 
Hi Blythe,

Check this website, gives some numbers and explains nicely:
https://www.fertilovit.com/en-us/kinderwunsch/spermienqualität.aspx


Standard Values for Spermiogram (WHO)
Ejaculate volume
&#8805; 1,5 ml
PH-value
&#8805; 7,2
Sperm concentration
&#8805; 15 million sperms per ml
Total sperm count
&#8805; 39 million sperms
Motility
&#8805; 32 % progressively moving spermatozoa, &#8805; 40 % mobile sperms
Morphology
>4 % normal shape
Percentage of living sperms (Eosin-test)
&#8805; 58 %
Anti sperm antibodies
Mixed antiglobulin reaction (MAR)

< 50 % sperms with particles attached


Leucocytes
< 1 million per ml


Oh that is reassuring....thanks malamae:flower:

I was getting hung up on the normal forms bit but that is just motility which needs to be over 4% to be normal range and DH is 5% so thats ok i guess.

How is it going?



I meant morphology!!
 
Blythe, great you do not have to do another SA, such a relief! I think the results are good, definitely the first three numbers:

volume: 1.5ml - this is average, it depends on how long since his previous ejaculate
concentration: 29 - this is great! just to put it into perspective for you, my DH had 12 and 2.8 million :( the minimum used to be 20 million but now they reduced it to 15 million.
total number: 43.5 - more than enough to get you pregnant naturally!

afm, happy to be back, still waiting for my AMH results. AF is definitely on her way but grateful it did not show up today. will continue temping tomorrow but expect my temp to go down which will ruin my perfect chart. am back on vitamins from tomorrow and as soon as AF shows up will start on herbs.
 
Welcome back to uk! Thank you for info.... I'm just so happy to have the results ahead of my appt next week although all the nhs can realistically do for me now is refer me for hsg which is fine. I would also like all my bloods done again as if I go for natural IVF I want to keep all costs down to a minimum! I mentioned IVF again last night but DH not keen at all!

I'm so sorry AF is on her way... Please don't get too down and focus on that next egg ... I'm thinking about black cohosh for next supplement!

I have been doing acupressure most days on certain points with end of a make up brush.... Not sure if its helping or not but I feel I'm doing something positive each day... I'm focusing on increasing kidney yang at the mo hoping to keep spotting at bay!
 
hsg is good, at least you will know your tubes are open.

I am trying not to feel down about AF, I mean there is no surprises here considering what my DH was up to. I am glad I am getting 25 day cycle and 14 day LH. not happy with acne though, looks nasty. I am anxiously waiting for DH's SA and testosterone results. I will try to do more yoga this cycle and j fonda aerobics before O.

I wont be doing acu this cycle, just herbs so I may try acupressure. do you use Lewis' book for this?
 
got my AMH, and I wish now I did not do the test, 1.38 (range 1.0-10.6, less than 1 = menopause), pretty devastating&#8230; and getting the result on CD1 is particularly painful
 
Briss - im so sorry you are upset...it is the worst time to receive any news that means things are going to be more difficult than we thought. I really do not know too much about AMH but have seen so many inspiring stories of women with much lower levels than the result you have been given.

notrusty's was under 0.16 and as she said in her original post it does not mean low quality just means lower numbers. I am interested to get mine done but im really not sure what i could do differently to what i am doing now...im just holding out for that one month were pure luck strikes [im beginning to think it is just that] and that could happen regardless of my AMH results...although i appreciate worries re menopause coming sooner than others.

Keep focused on the fact that you are releasing an egg every month and your cycles are nice and regular so keep going with your supps. I was having another look at CREATE last week and they do help us girls with challenging odds....

im sorry if i am waffling...i am thinking of you:flower:
 
Briss - been having a nose around and found some nice stories...[these ladies have much lower AMH levels than your test results]

LADY ONE:
I wanted to share my journey with you to give you some hope.
I had my AMH levels tested at FAA after our chemical pregnancies last year (both were around 5 wks). Although not as low as yours they were low at .58 (at age 34). Added to my endo issues and previous MC's it really hit me that all these "obstacles" kept on popping up and I spent a long time wondering why was it so friggin easy for everyone else around us to get pregnant (with the common comment of "OOOOHHH we werent even trying" the hardest to swallow) whilst for me my whole life revolved around ovulation, when the best time to BD was, then getting that much wanted BFP only to have heartbreak not long after. Anyways, we were offered 3 rounds of clomiphene which would be monitored, on our first round we fell pregnant and as you can see we have twins on board! My FS at FAA told me that a low AMH did not mean poor quality eggs, that with chemical pregnancies it is a matter or trying and tryin until you get that "golden egg". Low AMH I was told gives an indication of how you will respond to ovulation stimulation?

LADY TWO:
I'm 38 years old, hadn't been TTC prior to my test, but had an FSH of 17 and an AMH of .2. I was pretty much told to go the donor route as well. Leas than a month later, I was pregnant naturally. Today, I am 25w6d.

LADY THREE:
My highest FSH was 23 and my AMH is 0.12. I was able to bring my FSH down to 10.8 through acupuncture and Royal Jelly. My fertility specialist prescribed Tamoxifen (a breast cancer drug shown to help ovulation) and I started wheatgrass shots on my own. On New Year's Eve, I got my BFP and two weeks ago, we saw a healthy bean and heartbeat. Keep in mind that other than fertility meds, this was a natural conception, so it can happen!!!!
 
got my AMH, and I wish now I did not do the test, 1.38 (range 1.0-10.6, less than 1 = menopause), pretty devastating&#8230; and getting the result on CD1 is particularly painful

AMH is replacing FSH as a # that Fertility specialists look for to rule out who is/is not a good candidate for IVF. Low AMH, just means you won't make bucketloads of eggs with drug stimulation, and that is the main point of IVF. Just another # to make you depressed. I cried all afternoon when I heard my .16 (US scale) AMH level. In hindsight, guess I didn't need to know it and stress myself out more. I do believe it really is a lot of luck when a good egg happens to get ovulated amidst all our "bad" ones, but they are mixed up in there!

Bottom line, as long as you get a biphasic chart/temp shift, you ARE ovulating an egg a month, and those rare months you feel twinges on both L and R side, you probably popped out 2 even. I read somewhere by Randine Lewis that women entering perimenopause still have about 10,000 eggs in ovaries, so you can see where the luck part comes in. My grandmother who also had my mother at a 44, never had any of these tests and just got pregnant by accident, (had a 20 something year old son from 1st marriage)

As an additional tip, I find it very suspicious that the 2 times I got my BFP (1st chemical, 2nd stuck) I had been battling a cold those months. If you are sick, especially DTD! I believe the chances are higher that you will get pregnant while you are sick. A woman's body has an immune system that is designed to fight off foreign invaders....ie - Sperm. When the immune system is down because you are sick, the sperm are more likely to get past. This has happened to 2 different couples who were trying for more than 5 years. It wasn't until the wife got sick that they got pregnant. Normally couples don't have sex if the woman isn't feeling well. If you want a baby, there is no better time to have sex than when you are sick and your immune system is down. I believe our bodies are too busy fighting infection to kill off as many sperm as usual (if you watch the Great Sperm Race on you tube, it's a wonder any of the poor guys ever make it).

This is going to be a weird admission, but with this pregnancy, I happened to have a MD appt to get DHEA checked and it was one day after I got my + LH surge. I didn't wash my hands at hospital and actually licked them (eew gross, I know) when I got into car, to hopefully make sure I was sick that cycle. I felt a little cold coming on previous couple of days and figured I'd add fuel to the fire. Luckily, I didn't get a nasty flu, but DID def. have a cold, no fever. I'm normally very healthy and only get a cold once or twice a year, so I had to go with it!

Also, reading below article made me feel better when I got my low AMH results. Go to middle of page where Randine Lewis discusses AMH and women getting preg with an AMH of near zero.

https://www.thefertilesoul.com/pages/Diagnostic_pgs/AMH.php
 
Don't worry Briss. I was devastated like you when the doctor told me my results. She said I have half the reserve for my age and I'd be a poor responder for IVF. Did a lot of reading and is true what notrustyyet says- it only a reserve of eggs. But has nothing to do with ovulation and conception. Don't depress yourself now. I did that for months until I learned what is actually AMH.
Blythe is right, there are a lot of women that are pregnant with low AMH.
The test is so new that they don't have all the answers to the results and low AMH doesn't mean you are getting in early menopause.
Cheer up, girl! Since you're on CD 1- you need some iron now- have a steak and red wine ;)
 
Ladies thank you! what would I do without your support!

I was particularly sad to get this result after 4 months of acu which was supposed to make my eggs young again. such a shame Dr. Randine Lewis is not practicing in London. I read so much about acu postponing menopause and giving "older" ladies a chance, and I really want to have more than one child but clearly with my old eggs and hubby's poor sperm we cant even manage one ... :( it just does not seem possible. the only good thing out of this sad AMH business is that my DH suddenly became so attentive now that it's my fault that we are not pregnant the pressure is off him and he is prepared to do just about anything for me :)

also I was kind of hoping that my high FSH was just a result of stress etc but with low AMH it confirms my FS' view that my "time is running out". although I am not sharing my AMH with FS cos she wont refer me for IVF with such low AMH.

Got hubby's testosterone results and it's low, within the norm but the lowest possible level, not great either.
 
Hi briss - the acu and herbs and all those other supps will hopefully have had a positive effect in your fsh levels...im not sure acu/herbs can change amh or not. There is a good reason NHS dont do amh tests!!

Have you had SA results yet or just the testosterone? There has to be ways to bring those levels up....your DH sounds brill and hope this will put a stop to that fasting business!
 
Blythe, that's right my FS did not refer me for AMH because of cost but my GP said they do not trust AMH. Besides I did my test abroad and it said that I was supposed to do it on CD3-5 (which I did not believe was an issue but may be it was).

My DH did his SA and I will be calling my FS for results at some point. I do not expect them to be good but wanted a reference point to compare it with when we repeat it after 3 months off beer.

I know that i should not be expecting a BFP until we get DH's sperm sorted and yet I still hope every month and naturally get disappointed.

Low AMh just confirmed what I already knew really that I should not waste time and probably medicated IVF is not an answer for us and we are better off with natural IVF and even IUI if we get DH's sperm numbers up. but still it kind of hits you in a bad way. I am just so glad I have your support ladies, I do not think anyone else can understand this.
 
Hi Briss
Im a bit of a lurker in this thread and a big advocate of TCM. I have low AMH (tested twice, 1 and 3 - UK scale), so similar to you. I also have high FSH (20 last time) and I am almost 40. We had one private ICSI cycle last yr and I was a poor responder (1 egg, convinced them not to cancel, it fertilised but didnt lead to preg). The clinic was all for DE IVF. But then we started TCM acupuncture & herbs (both me & DH) and 3 months later a natural preg!! Sadly it was a blighted ovum and while we were devastated we were also greatly encouraged. Now we are preparing for another ICSI cycle, this time on NHS and will be continuing with TCM to support that. Getting preg with low AMH is possible, it is all about helping our bodies as much as possible and personally I do believe TCM can help and there are increasingly academic papers that support this. Good luck and try not to be discouraged :hugs:
 

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