Chinese Accupuncture

[Briss]

MalaMae and Shiseru, I have similar points but I seem to have mormore or less the same every time regardless of CD. I never have any needles on my back but I get cupping. Also, I have Electro-acupuncture on all 4 tummy points. I have to say I do not like Electro-acupuncture particularly painful on my ovary points so I cant relax at all. I cant attach my chart from work but will post it later today from home. (it's not as beautiful as MalaMae's but hopefully you will be able to see the points). BTW very good idea we should have done it earlier

attaching my acu points

 

[shiseru]

Blythe, sorry you are feeling so down. TTC is hard and stressful. I agreed with other ladies that you should perhaps take a step back but still bd during your fertile period, at least take folic acid. Put your thermometer, BBT chart, OPK and HPT aside.

I had a hard time getting a successful pregnancy after 2 losses, especially the mid term loss at 20 weeks.

Before my first pregnancy, I used to spot 2-3 days before AF that's when I was diagnosed with low progesterone. So I took progesterone insert 2 days after O. The spotting stopped after I started TCM though. Tonight is my 2nd session, i am looking forward to it. I can rest during the 40 mins acupuncture session.

Briss, that's a lot of acu points! I am surprised there is one on the chest area?

MalaMae, my first pregnany, i had a drop 10 dpo (attached)

 

[MalaMae]

Briss, that is a lot of points, but I guess they are working for you. Saw your last chart, such nice temps after O I have electro-acu on the tummy and it's weird. But learned that I need to relax and the weird sensation is gone. Also, you should tell them to lower the current, you 'll feel better. One time I saw my tummy was moving so much, he lowered it, but I could still feel the current a bit. I had loose stool that day LOL He said that was normal.

Shiseru, thanks for the encouragement but my temp is falling, there is no rise. I thought of the implantation dip, but I don't think is that. Also I did have some cramps, but I always do around that time and on contrary I think that is- the egg detaching from the wall.
Who knows what's going on with our bodies!

 

[Blythe]

Im back...i miss you....thank you for your kind words...i really do appreciate it...there is a silver lining to LTTTC and that you girls on here.

I lost the plot and needed not to think about TTC for a while...you can imagine how that went

I wont be temping next cycle. I have been researching use of FA and decided to ditch my usual pregnacare and take a pure folate:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Solgar-Fol...NF4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362921089&sr=8-1

I remember Malamae saying about toxity and too much FA and i read the following which made me think about switching:
https://healthybabycode.com/5-myths-about-pregnancy-nutrition-5-folic-acid-supplements-are-safe

i went to a chiropractor for my back and he said i had a bulging disc which is pressing against nerves hence the horrid pain....my chinese guy was recommending me to apply heat but the chiropractor said i should be using icepacks...so its ice and buckets of nurofen...just a couple of things ive missed when TTC!

I have just returned from acu and in on CD26...he needled some points along spleen meridian above and below the knee [above the knee he said they were used to support pregnancy and prevent it failing]. He also needled a point along the TW meridian on my ring finger on the side upper part on left hand only and two points along the side of my thumb on my right hand - he said they also support pregnancy. I did tell him I'm due for AF in a couple of days and ive had negatives so i know im not pregnant but im glad he is mixing up the points he uses.

 

[Blythe]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabrielle-bernstein/manifest-desires_b_1404543.html

I sent this earlier to a friend who has just started adoption proceedings....she is certain she will be a mum to a daughter by the end of the year and her PMA has rubbed off on me.

 

[Briss]

Ladies, I agree I had lots of points + around 6-8 points on my face... I did ask to lower the current and had it at its minimum level, still hurt though.

Blythe, welcome back!! you've been missed how's your spotting?

TMI! I had the strangest thing the other day, i usually have EWCM around O it does not usually have any color but yesterday on my peak it was the weirdest color - yellowish -beige sort of thing, not quite brown to qualify for spotting but nearly there. Got very concerned, infection? although today it was back to normal. Also I did 2 hour mountain biking yesterday, may be something to do with that?

Blythe, thanks for the info on folic acid vs folate, I had no idea there was a difference. been on it for 2 years now on and off. I was trying to make an appointment with dr Zhai but the clinic phone was on voice mail, left a massage but no one called me back. I guess she is in demand

 

[Blythe]

Surprised dr Z's office didn't call back....I thought the customer service would be second to none....would you still consider ZW?

Spotting has stopped so in fact I only had in one day.... I'm getting period pains tonight so hope she turns up earlier rather than later. I am going to try the black cohosh CDs 1-12 and I have ordered some micronised DHEA and the folate so that's what I have planned for next round.

The acu doc said my kidney pulse was weak but maybe that's coz I have been laid up with bad back. Honestly I'm struggling to really articulate what acu/herbs have done for me over the last 3 cycles.....I have 3 more sessions left but I've found a man on tooting indoor market who charges 15 per acu session and does raw herbs too for 3.50 per day so really cheap....I might go in there and check his credentials. Having said that I am fond of my current doc as he seems to really want to help but I'm a bit gullible so could be reading wrong signals (DH thinks I'm a bit of a mug for sticking with it!)

I wouldn't be too concerned re strange discharge unless accompanied by discomfort.... I've had all sorts. I have to say your temps look great since you finished the acu although you are back on the herbs aren't you?

 

[MalaMae]

Hey you are back! You even sound good
I'm applying heat on the back. I don't know why chiropractors suggest icepacks, but the heat helps me more always. Good luck with that, i know that horrible pain. I'm going to chiropractor for over a year. Did amazing things for my back and helped with the period as well.

 

[Briss]

I will call dr Z's again to check their waiting list and then if it's too long will probably opt for ZW.

It's great that spotting stopped! real progress, maybe acu's working?

I am still taking the herbs but last cycle I was also taking gu han yang sheng jing pian

 

[Blythe]

Hey you are back! You even sound good
I'm applying heat on the back. I don't know why chiropractors suggest icepacks, but the heat helps me more always. Good luck with that, i know that horrible pain. I'm going to chiropractor for over a year. Did amazing things for my back and helped with the period as well.

i really hope this chiropractor can help...because i have lots of swelling in lower back he could really do lots of manipulations but did manage one. The heat provides more immediate relief from the pain but i suppose the ice will reduce swelling...i hate applying ice to my skin. I have two more appts with him then I may continue having an appt every few months as its quite pricey....what with all the supplements and acu/herbs im struggling to keep on top of things financially...im meant to be saving!!

its interesting though that chiropractors can help with almost anything...I've even read it can help with TTC.

sorry for AF....onwards and upwards

 

[Blythe]

I will call dr Z's again to check their waiting list and then if it's too long will probably opt for ZW.

It's great that spotting stopped! real progress, maybe acu's working?

I am still taking the herbs but last cycle I was also taking gu han yang sheng jing pian

yeah this cycle has been good [other than spotting CD9]...my PMT symptoms have only just become really apparent and i haven't been really cross [I'm usually very angry for at least one day about 4/5 days before AF]...I've been sad but I'm working on that. My temps are still up but expecting AF tommorrow or weds.

did you notice any positive benefits from taking the gu han yang sheng jing pian? I hope you manage to get through to Dr Z this week.

Have you had SA results yet?

 

[Briss]

"Gu Jiang Yang Sheng Jing Pill notifies kidneys, nourishes spleen, fortifies brain and calms spirit. It can be used for deficiencies of the spleen and kidneys manifested as dizziness, palpitations, dizziness, tinnitus, forgetfulness, anorexia, weariness of the waist and knees, men's reduced ability, frequent night urination, dribbling urine, etc." it's actually possible that my nice temps last cycle were partly due to me taking Gu Jiang Yang Sheng Jing Pill although I stopped after O.

Got Dr Z's book! cant wait to read it but just so busy at work it will have to wait a bit.

I still need to call my FS for SA results but cant quite get myself to do it. I do not expect them to be good it's just a question of how bad can they get and as with my AMH I do not feel like I want to know. but of course i must

 

[Blythe]

After you posted the name of that herb you had been taking i also looked at the same entry you have posted.....in particular dribbling urine caught my eye!!

I totally understand putting off calling the FS....im going for bloods this week that the FS ordered. Do you contact the FS directly rather than get through your doc as i have no idea when my next appt will be?

im excited about you reading Dr Z's book and reporting back...I would be really interested to see what variations you find from Lewis's book.

 

[MalaMae]

Hey you are back! You even sound good
I'm applying heat on the back. I don't know why chiropractors suggest icepacks, but the heat helps me more always. Good luck with that, i know that horrible pain. I'm going to chiropractor for over a year. Did amazing things for my back and helped with the period as well.

i really hope this chiropractor can help...because i have lots of swelling in lower back he could really do lots of manipulations but did manage one. The heat provides more immediate relief from the pain but i suppose the ice will reduce swelling...i hate applying ice to my skin. I have two more appts with him then I may continue having an appt every few months as its quite pricey....what with all the supplements and acu/herbs im struggling to keep on top of things financially...im meant to be saving!!

its interesting though that chiropractors can help with almost anything...I've even read it can help with TTC.

sorry for AF....onwards and upwards

I know what you mean about the expenses. It's too much. I'm going to chiropractor for 1.5 year, but when I started I didn't have the acu. It did help with my period. I use to have VERY heavy periods with nasty lower backache, bloated tummy- I looked like pregnant. At the begining I was going 3 times/week. Then 2 times, once week and now i'm once in 2 weeks. After 9 months of chiro I actually noticed the change (my whole back was messed up). No more blotiness, soemtimes I do get lower back pain but just for a the 1st day, not for 3-4 days as it used to be. And is true that it does helps with ttc, because those nerves around the lower back are connected to the uterus.
AF came (on Saturday in a night club!!). I was slightly inibriated (I knew it was coming so I knew it was ok to drink), so you can imagine the breakdown I had in the club.

 

[Briss]

Blythe, that's the main reason I got this book – to compare with Lewis's book and MalaMae's book. I call my FS directly but she is never around so I leave her a massage and she calls me back usually the same day. I am also getting Lewis' DVD I've seen some parts and it's quite good as she shows various techniques that she explains in her book. it's sometimes easier to understand what's she on about when you actually see how it's done. the quality I take it is not great but enough to give you an idea.

MalaMae, I am very sorry about AF, hits me every time as well.

 

[Blythe]

Hey you are back! You even sound good
I'm applying heat on the back. I don't know why chiropractors suggest icepacks, but the heat helps me more always. Good luck with that, i know that horrible pain. I'm going to chiropractor for over a year. Did amazing things for my back and helped with the period as well.

i really hope this chiropractor can help...because i have lots of swelling in lower back he could really do lots of manipulations but did manage one. The heat provides more immediate relief from the pain but i suppose the ice will reduce swelling...i hate applying ice to my skin. I have two more appts with him then I may continue having an appt every few months as its quite pricey....what with all the supplements and acu/herbs im struggling to keep on top of things financially...im meant to be saving!!

its interesting though that chiropractors can help with almost anything...I've even read it can help with TTC.

sorry for AF....onwards and upwards

I know what you mean about the expenses. It's too much. I'm going to chiropractor for 1.5 year, but when I started I didn't have the acu. It did help with my period. I use to have VERY heavy periods with nasty lower backache, bloated tummy- I looked like pregnant. At the begining I was going 3 times/week. Then 2 times, once week and now i'm once in 2 weeks. After 9 months of chiro I actually noticed the change (my whole back was messed up). No more blotiness, soemtimes I do get lower back pain but just for a the 1st day, not for 3-4 days as it used to be. And is true that it does helps with ttc, because those nerves around the lower back are connected to the uterus.
AF came (on Saturday in a night club!!). I was slightly inibriated (I knew it was coming so I knew it was ok to drink), so you can imagine the breakdown I had in the club.

thats hard going...AF arriving in a nightclub I hope you are recovered and looking towards the next egg....Are you going to continue with your herbs and acu? i like the acu but the herbs are a bit of a drag....mine always taste ok [which makes me question their effectiveness] but my doc says to have them on an empty stomach [and not to eat anything either side for at least an hour] so i have one lot first thing and the next when i return from work but im a snacker so i find it difficult to keep clear of food...

Im still dangling waiting for AF...im hoping now having rechecked calendar that she will hold off until weds as that would mean i could BD on ovulation day rather than day after as DH is away that weekend.

The benefits you have got from your chiropractor are really impressive...i have two more appts but thinking of keeping a monthly appt so he can keep an eye on my back. I dread it going again this year as my boss can get funny if people start taking too much time out of the office. A healthy spine is so crucial to our overall wellbeing...I have to say in the past i have sought treatment from chinese clinics only and so far i am way more impressed with the chiropractor.

 

[Blythe]

Blythe, that's the main reason I got this book – to compare with Lewis's book and MalaMae's book. I call my FS directly but she is never around so I leave her a massage and she calls me back usually the same day. I am also getting Lewis' DVD I've seen some parts and it's quite good as she shows various techniques that she explains in her book. it's sometimes easier to understand what's she on about when you actually see how it's done. the quality I take it is not great but enough to give you an idea.

MalaMae, I am very sorry about AF, hits me every time as well.

ive seen the clip re femoral massage and thats what i was doing and will start doing again once back restored....please report back on dvd once you have tried it out

Briss - i have eaten at least 7 full sized chocolate eggs in almost as many days....am feeling particularly fat and out of control at the moment but its just to darn cold to start with the juices just yet. Im hoping my return to the office tomorrow will = less chocolate!

 

[MalaMae]

I'm continuing with acu and herbs, but don't know for how long. April will be 6 months, so I may stop. I'm just tired of the whole ttc thing. I'm even tired of thinking about it. I need my life back.

 

[Blythe]

I understand it takes over everything.....its been quite gradual for me and the first few months i was relatively normal and relaxed about it taking the standard conception vits but now i have a pharmacy in my kitchen and notes everywhere and a frickin spreadsheet too!

As we are both over DH's mums the next fertile period (i am coming back early) and sex in her house is an absolute no-no i was thinking perhaps i would get him to 'come' into a pot in the shower and then pass it to me then i would go into the bathroom after i would use a turkey baster to pore it into myself...her bathroom is tiny so i would have to lay down with legs up against the bath....then i remembered she does not have a lock on the door....obviously that has put an end to my new plot to get pregnant as i could not face the humiliation of her walking in on such a horrific scene. Anyhow, point of this is that when i start thinking of inserting a turkey baster in me round my MIL its surely time to take a step back.

Im hoping my break from temping and opks will help me find a bit more balance in my life.....i hope this month will be your month

 

[Briss]

Blythe, actually if you can lie on the bathroom floor with your legs up the door, that would prevent anyone from walking in, wouldn't it? well unless the door open outside that it LOL in which case your DH can stand outside the bathroom to stop people coming in until you are done. it's obviously extreme but better than wasting a cycle and a perfectly good egg. I would just do it in your bedroom actually. he can bring you the sample and you can get it in on your bed and stay there for 30 min with your legs up

My DH announced he wants to go traveling with his friends but the timing is all wrong cos it's my ovulation, I cant let him go so might have go with him basically just to get shagged ... cant believe the romance has come to that LOL