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Horrible tummy aches and reflux, colic calm?

Marumi

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My one month old developed tummy aches when he was about two weeks old. These then caused a reflux problem because of the pressure. Basically every time his tummy hurts or he strains ot causes acid to come up making his pain even worse. He goes from pulling his legs up to arching his back and throwing his head back :cry:

We have tried a natural remedy for reflux that did not work (Nat Phos) and he has been getting probiotics (BioGaia), plus we tried all the tricks when it comes to feeding, sleeping, massages etc.
I sleep about 2-4 hrs only (interrupted) bc he gets worse at night. And he wakes every 10-20 mins.
The only thing we haven't tried is Colic Calm gripe water. Does anyone have experience with it?
Or are there products I am not aware of maybe? I am in Germany and the selection here is somewhat limited. We have been trying to find probiotics that contain more strains of bacteria but it seems hopeless.

Then there is this product: https://www.woodwards.in/
It contains baking soda. I have taken baking soda myself for gastritis and it actually helped heal it and stopped the reflux. But I can't find anything about it for babies.

Edited to add: He is fully breastfed at the boob, no bottles.
 
My wee one was exactly like this and it turned out she didn't actually have colic or reflux (she was initially treated for both) at 4 months old we discovered it was actually food intolerances and she is now on prescription milk.

Prior to changing her formula, we used infavol which really helped. We tried gripe water which caused horrific vomiting. I would try and see if both work. Dentinox is apparently good too. We also used infant Gaviscon but it didn't agree with her at all and we stopped. There is also colief which can be good too apparently, although we didn't persevere enough with that to see any benefit.

Are you breastfeeding or formula feeding?
 
My wee one was exactly like this and it turned out she didn't actually have colic or reflux (she was initially treated for both) at 4 months old we discovered it was actually food intolerances and she is now on prescription milk.

Prior to changing her formula, we used infavol which really helped. We tried gripe water which caused horrific vomiting. I would try and see if both work. Dentinox is apparently good too. We also used infant Gaviscon but it didn't agree with her at all and we stopped. There is also colief which can be good too apparently, although we didn't persevere enough with that to see any benefit.

Are you breastfeeding or formula feeding?

I am breastfeeding exclusively, no bottles. We considered food intolerances and I hardly eat anything now :( So far it does not seem to help.
I will look into the other products thanks! Some of these I don't know yet.

He does improve some with very diluted baking soda, which is in many gripe waters. Too much will make him vomit too but a tiny amount completely takes away his reflux for about 8 hours.

It is not a long term solution however, and baking soda is not approved.
 
You can definitely buy infacol online:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Infacol-50-Colic-Relief-Drops/dp/B004G92APY

I guess it is fortunate that you have pretty much ruled out food allergies. Maybe try reintroducing things to your diet now, since cutting them out hasn't helped.

Colief would probably be no good then, it is all natural but it has to be added to a bottle for an hour so it can break down lactose. It works on expressed milk too but only in a bottle. My friend uses it with expressed milk and it helped her LO loads.

I think infant Gaviscon is prescription only. I think it can be used when breastfeeding too, in bottle fed babies you mix it with the formula/breastmilk but I'm sure it said on the packaging that you can mix it with water and use it before a breastfeed.

Do you have a health visitor or midwife? Might be worth giving them a call?
 
Do you have a health visitor or midwife? Might be worth giving them a call?

We were at the hospital 2 weeks ago, seen a pediatrician after and today the midwife and they all think it is a non issue since he is gaining weight....:nope:
I told them how little he sleeps and was told I need to get help with the baby...:shrug:
 
Sorry but no. Colic Calm is a heap of crap. No offense to anyone!

If your baby has acid reflux it is a painful condition that needs medicating if you want relief. The sleep issue can't be resolved until the pain is dealt with
 
Ds1 had reflux and gripe water made his vomiting worse. Only thing that worked for us was medication. Paediatricians didn't pay much attention till I fed him in front of them and they saw his screaming for themselves. He has always gained normally.
 
Just wanted to update that he has been doing a bit better. We have been able to keep bad reflux episodes and the breathing and snorting issues away at night. He has more content and happy moments during the day. We have not tried colic calm yet. For painful episodes we have been giving baking soda, very diluted with water. It calms him almost instantly and keeps him improved for a long time. He did not need it the past 2 nights.

Other than that we are giving Lefax to reduce bloating and different probiotics called Lacto Baby.

Sorry but no. Colic Calm is a heap of crap. No offense to anyone!

If your baby has acid reflux it is a painful condition that needs medicating if you want relief. The sleep issue can't be resolved until the pain is dealt with

Ds1 had reflux and gripe water made his vomiting worse. Only thing that worked for us was medication. Paediatricians didn't pay much attention till I fed him in front of them and they saw his screaming for themselves. He has always gained normally.

I have seen 3 doctors and all were against medicating him this young. They want to see if he grows out of it. One thing that was suggested was thickening the feed. But I assume that will be hard breastfeeding.

The side effects of PPIs are extremely scary too. I have dealt with low stomach acid and the resulting health problems. I am lucky to still be around.

This sums up the risks:

But nutrient absorption actually begins in the stomach. And there are numerous studies that show that acid-blocking drugs impair the absorption of all kinds of different vitamins and minerals. That’s not surprising when you know that stomach acid is required to absorb those nutrients in the first place. These include things like vitamin C, iron, magnesium, B12, folate, and other B vitamins. These nutrients are important for adults, but they’re even more important for developing babies. So folate and B12 in particular are needed to form new red blood cells, and they play an important role in methylation, which silences and activates gene expression, which, in turn, regulates just about anything in the body. Vitamin C is important for collagen development and the structural development of the body, in addition to immune function. Iron is also involved in red blood cell function. Without enough iron, babies will become anemic and not develop properly. Magnesium plays a role in over 300 different enzymatic reactions in the body, it’s one of the most important nutrients that we need. And all of the other B vitamins—B6; B5, which is pantothenic acid; B1, which is thamine; B2, which is riboflavin; B3, which is niacin—are all essential. Again, they’re all there for a reason. We need them. They’re all essential nutrients. And PPIs inhibit their absorption. We could potentially see an increase in things like neurological issues from B12 deficiency; problems with development, like I said, of the structural tissue in the body from vitamin C deficiency; behavioral disorders like ADHD, autism, et cetera because of folate and B12 deficiency. These things are on the rise in kids. There may not be enough kids now taking PPIs that this is making a significant contribution, but this could certainly happen if we continue with our current course.

Another important role of stomach acid is to prevent infection. We’re exposed to bacteria, viruses, and fungi all the time. They’re all around us in the environment. But a lot of times, if we get exposed to them through food or water that we swallow, the stomach acid just takes care of that. Many of these organisms cannot survive in a really low pH, acidic environment like the stomach. The stomach acid is our first line of defense against these organisms entering through our mouth and when we swallow. As you might suspect, PPI use has been associated with an increased risk of infections of all types, but particularly gut infections and something like Clostridium difficile, which is a potentially fatal gut infection. Very serious. It’s a cause of concern. It’s been shown that there’s an increased risk of community-acquired pneumonia in people using PPIs. Back to the nutrient absorption issue, PPIs have been associated with decreased bone mineral density, because calcium absorption is impaired, and also maybe the fat-soluble vitamins—like vitamin D, which plays a role in calcium metabolism, and K2.

PPIs have been shown to increase the risk of SIBO. So that’s pretty ironic, right? SIBO is one of the underlying causes of reflux in the first place, and PPIs have been shown to increase the risk of SIBO. Then SIBO is also associated with everything from skin issues like eczema, to cognitive and behavioral issues, to malabsorption. A lot of things that show up in kids, right? A lot of kids have eczema. It’s one of the most common problems. In my work with young children, I found that eczema is almost always related to gut issues. And when we address the gut stuff, the eczema goes away. Perhaps most ironically, as I said, SIBO is associated with GERD and reflux. There’s even a paper in the scientific literature—I nearly spit on my coffee when I came across it—that was called*Evidence That Proton Pump Inhibitor Therapy Induces the Symptoms It Is Used to Treat. I mean, that’s a paper you don’t even need to read, really, right? That’s such a great title. It pretty much says it all. But of course, I did read it. They talk about some other interesting mechanisms by which PPIs can actually induce acid reflux.

PPIs increase gastric pH, which means they make it less acidic and more alkaline. This, in turn, substantially increases the concentration of something called gastrin. Then gastrin promotes the release of histamine, which, in turn, provokes increased acid secretion. This will lead to a rebound effect after stopping PPIs, where more acid is produced. The gastrin actually causes a growth in the tissue that produces stomach acid. So when you stop the PPIs, you’re producing more acid than you were before you started taking them. This rebound effect has been documented, and it’s been shown to last for at least four weeks, possibly longer, because they ended the follow-up period after four weeks, and many of the patients were still experiencing symptoms at that point.

PPIs are also associated with weight gain over the long term, in adults at least. One study in adults showed an average increase of about 10 lbs in weight in about 70% of patients that were taking PPIs over a two-year period, whereas only 9% of patients in the control group gained weight over that period. That’s pretty significant and alarming, especially given childhood obesity rates on the rise. I mean, even the FDA cautions against the long-term use of PPIs. It’s a real problem. They were never approved for long-term use. That’s an interesting little historical note about PPIs, is they were initially only approved for short-term use. They were never intended to be taken for years and years. I just got an e-mail this morning from someone who has been on Nexium for 30 years, 35 years I think he said. He’s wondering how to get off of it. That’s just a complete, huge mistake, an oversight by the FDA and other regulatory agencies, and just another problem with the way that our system is constructed. You know, doctors made those prescriptions, and people just kept taking them for years and years, with no approval for that kind of activity.

https://chriskresser.com/rhr-how-to-treat-acid-reflux-in-babies-without-drugs/

Though of course, what is one to do when it does not go away and no alternative treatments help.
This article says to fix it by repopulating the gut flora, which is what we are doing now.

JumpingIn
His reflux is a result of his tummy aches. If he does not strain from tummy aches or cry he does not have reflux. So the thought was to keep his tummy happy to avoid this plus give the other remedies some time to work.

Smanderson
My lo also gains weight which is why many think it is a non issue. He does not scream when nursing but sometimes fusses during. Mostly at night.
 
I'm dealing with the same issues. How much baking soda do you give him? I'd like to try this...

I've tried everything--getting his tongue/lip tie revised, trying to tweak my bf'ing in case of oversupply/fast letdown, Natphos, probiotics, gripe water, Colief (too difficult to implement if you have to add it to pumped milk first!), gas drops... It is so frustrating!

He's currently on Nexium which seems to work but then wear off before the next dose is due, and I'm worried about the side effects too.
 
1/4 tsp. baking soda in 3 tsp. of water or even only 1/8 tsp. seemed to do the trick for us. He got 1/4 tsp. of this mixture in a syringe. I read some babys will throw up from it so start with a small amount.
What seems to help him to is Lefax which is anti gas medicine with simethicone. He farts lots from it and when he is not bloated he has no reflux issues. Also make sure your probiotics contain lots of different strains.

Is Nexium an Antacid?

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I'm dealing with the same issues. How much baking soda do you give him? I'd like to try this...

I've tried everything--getting his tongue/lip tie revised, trying to tweak my bf'ing in case of oversupply/fast letdown, Natphos, probiotics, gripe water, Colief (too difficult to implement if you have to add it to pumped milk first!), gas drops... It is so frustrating!

He's currently on Nexium which seems to work but then wear off before the next dose is due, and I'm worried about the side effects too.
 
Nexium is a proton pump inhibitor, like Prilosec or Prevacid.

I will try the baking soda trick if he seems to be refluxing before his next dose is due.

In our case I don't think the gas is causing it--it seems more anatomical. It seems to happen especially when he lays down after eating. I know they say to hold them upright for 20-30 minutes after a feed, but if I did that I'd get nothing done, not even a bathroom break, because by 20-30 minutes after a feed he is usually ready for his next nap. He often takes 30-40 minutes to feed, and right now I get 5, maybe 10 minutes where I can put him down and he is happy before he gets crabby again and needs to sleep.
 

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