Incompetent Cervix - stitch/cerclage - threatened labour

Hey bf - I never said I managed them 'well' hun lol. It's just that the grownups are now outnumbered, and I'm more resigned to my fate - there's a strange comfort and serenity in that :rofl: x
 
Hey bf - I never said I managed them 'well' hun lol. It's just that the grownups are now outnumbered, and I'm more resigned to my fate - there's a strange comfort and serenity in that :rofl: x

I understand what you mean. I love their picture. I love how the twins look. Especially the one on the left extreme-I think he's looking out of the picture. So adorable.
 
I have a q about canesten tablets. I insert them into the vagina before going to bed, but notice next day that they dont melt completely. When I inspect down there using a mirror, I see the residue tablet popping out.

Has anyone experienced this?
 
Hi Ladies.

Sos been off a while have had a horrible 24 hours. Didn't feel great yesterday then last night I woke up at 2.30am with the most excruciating lower back pain. Had me in tears. Then I got myself worked up it could be labour, thought I was going to be sick & retched, & then felt the strain of retching make my uterine muscles go into a searing spasm. I was all ready to head to the hospital when I remembered how rubbish they'd been the day after my cerclage when I got an ambulance in because of what I thought were contractions - & I thought there's no point in going in on general admission unless I'm certain that there's something wrong. If you're going to go in, unless it's a full on bleeding/gushing water/absolutely contractions there's no point unless you can get to the specialist clinic. I didn't fancy another night on the antenatal ward when last time some bloke kicked off because he thought someone had stolen his camera & rampaged around the ward screaming 'who would fucking do that, the c***s, I hope all their fucking babies die!' nice.

Matt made me chamomile tea & rubbed my back & feet & I dropped off. But I'm not in a good way. All morning I had those tightening spasms I had the day after cerclage so I've just laid on my left hand side & drunk gallons of water. It's terrifying. I'm just trying to hang on in there for my double high-risk appt tmrw.

Christiana hon, thanks for yr msge - I'm not on any meds other than the progesterone pessaries & occasional paracetamol & the pains I've been feeling aren't round ligament, more gripey. I had some diarrhoea this morning, don't know if it's anxiety or if I've got a bug. Like Kate says, when you're high risk you go through a gamut of symptoms & it's hard to tell.

Kate, thanks for yr lovely msge too, you're a sweetheart. I'm so glad you're getting to spend some quality time with Poppy. I don't consider you a stranger at all after all the sharing & support you've given me. I'd love you to pop in. Thursday though some family are descending on me & it'll probably be a bit busy, so maybe Friday or next time you're in Chiswallah? Thank you.

Bookfish - canesten discharge is normal, it's mucky stuff - bit like my question about the progesterone pessaries earlier, I guess they're designed in a way that it's not fully absorbed. I'm sure it's fine to insert them vaginally if that's what the doctors have told you & I really hope it clears up for you soon & that you get the all-clear on the UTI too. Lots of the girls on here have had infections too & it seems ok if they're treated swiftly. Just eat lots of probiotic yoghurt to help replace the good bacteria the antibiotics wipe out. I'm so sorry sweetheart, I know myself how every additional unusual sumptom is cause for anxiety & fear. Hang in there. We'll get there.

My colourist is still coming despite the drama, so I least I won't look like a dead grandma tomorrow - let's see what fabulous news those appointments bring.

My 40th birthday is a week Thursday & I can't help feeling I'll spend it on hospital bed rest ...

I seem to be dreadful at writing essays on here so will sign iff now & give someone else a chance. Sorry!

Happy Valentines lovely ladies, I hope we all get the spoiling & love we deserve.

JimmyJam xx
 
JJ, am so sorry your day, not to mention your night, has been so rough!

I hope you feel better today, and get some good sleep. Don't worry about your appointment tomorrow-all will be well.

Am taking yogurt twice a day. But my vaginal lips are swollen still and look like two individual bulbs in there. Sorry for being graphic. And the pain while trying to walk..I don't even want to talk about it. What I've noticed is that 'bulbs' are extremely sensitive to water.

What you said about canesten I s reassuring, I hope they are doing their job.

Nice you are having the coloring appointment tomorrow! I think it will be reviving your spirits. Take care
 
book.fish - i used canestan pessaries pretty much every week for two years and thats completley normal. try pushing it a little higher but not too high...
i have pretty small hands and pushed it in as far as poss.
I am not a believer in the yoghurt theory - due to my medical training probably which makes me more of a believer in pharmacology - however some ladies swear by it.
canestan can cause irritation however but its worth it. Put some pseudocreme on the sore bits. great stuff.
good luck
 
Hey ladies and hAPPY Valentine's to all! I am spending my valentine day in bed but i ve already swallowed 2 bars of chocolate so yayaya!!!

JJ- so sorry you ve had such a rough night hun, I hope it has subsided now and you re feeling better. It definitely sounds like a stomach bug so just stay in bed and drink up.The progesterone makes me kind of nauseous btw.Dont worry about your 40th birthday just think your 41st will be the best ever!!!! I spend my 31st birthday miscarrying in August (day bleeding began just after i blew out my candle..there goes my b day wish down the toilet) but i m hopeful my 32nd i ll have two lo's blowing out the candles for me! 40 is a boring number (no reason at all!) but 41 ROCKS! hope you feel better soon!

Had my growth scan today, all went great and now i m waiting for the swab results. I told the doc i ve been on bed rest for 10 weeks already and he answered "ok so yayayay only another 16 to go" eeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkk!
 
Hey ladies, sorry I haven't been too active lately. We just moved into DH's granny's flat and there was an impressive amount of carrying (which my poor DH did all by himself) and cleaning and tidying up and stuff. We've more or less settled in now and my folks will arrive on Sunday, two days before I turn 37 weeks.

Today I was told I need to start anti-clotting injections on my bump. I was nervous at first but was reassured they wouldn't hurt baby in any way- indeed the needle is actually one third of my little finger, so it can barely pass through my tummy tissue. DH will have to assume the nurse's role- yet again.
Apparently many pregnant ladies have them. I now realise what they say about Greek doctors overtreating, I did a lot of things in the 'just in case' scenario, including the steroid injections and now these, but to be fair, he is a private doctor, a fertility expert and I'd rather be safe than sorry. So I trust him.

Bookfish- I'm sorry to hear about the clot and the infections, hon. I will tell you what I did and what my doctor told me it's safe, but by no means am I advising you or dissenting the other ladies. I repeat: by no means. This is really important so do nothing unless you get permission from your own doctor.

First off, while I thought I had thrush many a time, it turned out I had none. But what I did was, once a week I would insert the rephresh vaginal gel (with the applicator) as it refreshes the vaginal cells. My MW actually told me it's safe to apply yogurt in there, but I only did it externally. My own, Greek doctor (who is a cervical anomalies specialist and placed my stitch) told me that a solution of two cups of chamomile with a spoonful of baking soda is fine for douching without medicinal intervention, which I didn't do because I was just too scared to insert anything- although I would trust him because he inserted my stitch, so he knew how and what it was like. I am not advising you to do this though. Just check with your doctor. I did make the solution and applied it externally though, and it did relieve any sense of irritation I had (I have vulvodynia, unrelated to thrush). What you could do is eat a small pot of yogurt a day. It's got probiiotics in it, and probiotics help bring balance down there. As for UTI, water, water, and more water, and maybe some concentrated, super-bitter cranberry juice from your health store. The water will keep flushing the infection out.

By the way, did you get your results? Because I was prescribed antiobiotics twice as they found leucocytes in my urine, and both times nothing was found growing. I came here, leucocytes were found again, but was told that it can be perfectly normal. So of course do what your doctor tells you, but don't panic. Water is truly a great idea.

Overall avoid scented pantyliners or loo paper, and clean yourself externally once a day with neutral baby soap or just water (no feminine products, as they contain perfumes and I don't know what) and if you can.


JJ- How are you feeling, hon? There have been difficult days in my pregnancy too, although I'm pretty sure you're already better? You'll make it hon, it's all going to be fine.

Kate- helloooo! So glad to see you finally breathing, hon, I'm really, really happy!
 
Hi ladies, am so sorry for not participating enough as i should do......Unfortunately was still waiting on 'Talk Talk' to come on the 28th and connect my internet.
Hoping everybody is doing well and enjoying valentines day! and am sorry about the me post as am currently in hospital at the moment

Today am 23+3days,( 6 weeks post cerclage) went in for my routine tvs to check my cervix and it had funneled quite wide and the length had gone down from 30mm to 23mm....baby was looking good (measuring a few days a head and very active). My consultant has decided to admit me in hospital so am now on complete bed rest for the remainder of the pregnancy:growlmad:.

overall i was really starting to breath a sigh of relief thinking things were starting to look good as am 4 days away from viability but looks like i've gone back into 'panic mode' again.
Emotional wreck is an understatement! doctor says i can have the steroid injections next week on wed, am holding on to the fact that am not experiencing any bh/cramping (touch wood!), bleeding or extra discharge.

Lizzie, any advice hun?:cry::cry:
 
Hey olga. So sorry you have to go through this just as you were beginning to feel better. The up side is it is ONLY 4 days till v day plus as we re read so many times in this thread so many women go through their pg with much less than 23. So pls let me believe your doc is just being cautious hun...he should be cautious but it doesnt neccessarily mean there is something wrong. Anyway hope they re taking good care of you and you home soon.xx
 
Hey olga. So sorry you have to go through this just as you were beginning to feel better. The up side is it is ONLY 4 days till v day plus as we re read so many times in this thread so many women go through their pg with much less than 23. So pls let me believe your doc is just being cautious hun...he should be cautious but it doesnt neccessarily mean there is something wrong. Anyway hope they re taking good care of you and you home soon.xx

Christiana
hun, thank you so much for the words of encouragement.....am going to try and stay positive as much as i can.....Jeez! how i wish i can just wake-up one morning and i'd be 28w.How are you feeling now? are you still experiencing anymore cramps?
 
I m doing ok hun, thanks for asking! Since we re using our wishes i wish i could just wake up and be something closer to 35 weeks!!!i have odd cramps here and there but i think this is normal. Other than that i be been getting a bruised kind of feeling the last couple of days (as if someone's beaten my belly up) but i had my growth scan today and all looked ok so i try not to worry too much!!i bet we ll both be here at week 35 or something like that and remember back on our wishes (i wish!!). Xx
 
I m doing ok hun, thanks for asking! Since we re using our wishes i wish i could just wake up and be something closer to 35 weeks!!!i have odd cramps here and there but i think this is normal. Other than that i be been getting a bruised kind of feeling the last couple of days (as if someone's beaten my belly up) but i had my growth scan today and all looked ok so i try not to worry too much!!i bet we ll both be here at week 35 or something like that and remember back on our wishes (i wish!!). Xx

Definitely! I can only dream of that day....feels like a life time away! how i envy Lerokera and Kateqpr as they are so nearly there.
With your bed rest, are you lying horizontal? Am finding it very hard to stay in that position, feels like all my organs are being crushed.
 
Hi ladies :)

JJ - I'm so sorry to hear you had a rough night/day :( This is an awful time that I remember so well. There is nothing like the fear you feel when desperately trying to remain pregnant, whilst being utterly convinced that you won't. It leaves you feeling so helpless and crippled with fear, my heart really goes out to you :hugs:

There is very little I can say to ease your mind, without sounding like an annoying broken record, except that the stitch is known to increase uterine irritability and incidentally increases hospital admissions (statistical fact) only because ladies are convinced they are in labour, when usually they aren't.

I had tightenings constantly from 20wks which left me paralysed on the settee, Dh looking anxiously on pleading with me to tell him this wasn't 'it'. Awful times :( My whole stomach would ball up around the babies, go totally hard, then relax again leaving my lower back aching for 5/10 mins. This happened almost every day, lasted a few hours and the tightening came every 10/15mins. It was never enought to affect my cervix, much to my amazement.

Pregnancy isn't predictable hun, especially when there are complications, but these symptoms you are experiencing we have all encountered after stitch, and the majority of us have gone on to ride the storm and make it safely to term despite them. You are doing absolutely the right thing by waiting for your appt, BUT if you experience the intense pain again, and/or it gets worse or more frequent and persistent, then don't hesitate to go in before then if necessary.

Unfortunately I have suffered tightenings and pain both with the twins, and with my preemie but with very different outcomes for each. That's why I understand how difficult it is to distinguish between normal stitch side effects, or ptl and how frightening this all is.

You have shown that your uterus can behave this way before and then settle down(if indeed this is uterine and not a bug), so there is a chance it can do so again. How are the cramps tonight? Do you have long periods between symptoms? Are you still nauseas and gripey? Sorry for all the questions, that too can be so so annoying when you feel anxious - would just help me to pinpoint what might be going on if possible.

My thoughts are with you JJ, and I am keeping everything crossed that this is just the usual stitch-related grief that many if us have suffered from time to time. Take care and keep talking to us if you can :hugs:
 
Hi Olga :hugs:

When you say you were funneled by a lot, what makes you say this? Did they give you any figures? Usually funneling is described in terms of remaining length of closed cervix because it's almost irrelevant by how much width it is funneled. With 23mms of remaining cervix, then I'd say things are still looking good for you. I had less remaining closed cervix with the twins, and I had funneled right to the stitch at 25wks.

Unless there is more to this, then I agree that your Doc is merely playing it safe by admitting you. It's actually not a bad thing to have total bed rest and monitoring - even though I understand that being in hospital is far from fun :( If I hadn't had the kids to worry about, I would have preferred to be in hospital - that way I could have driven the medics nuts with my constant questions, and demands for 'on the spot' tvus - I would have been a 'cervix diva' in the truest sense of the word lol ;)

Hard as it is not to worry, and scary to be told there are ANY cervical changes, this is actually a very normal finding for a woman with IC hun. Unfortunately going the whole 9mths with long, closed cervixes just isn't an option for us sweet - and is why the stitch is there, to prevent further catastrophic changes.

The stitch does not stop preterm labour, but it is brilliant in 'suring up' weak cervixes. As far as we know, you don't have ptl issues, your cervix is still closed below the stitch at a very good length, and just 2 days from viability I'd say that's excellent news Olga :). Given you have IC, your cervix is actually behaving relatively well. Hope that helps xxx
 
Hi Olga :hugs:

When you say you were funneled by a lot, what makes you say this? Did they give you any figures? Usually funneling is described in terms of remaining length of closed cervix because it's almost irrelevant by how much width it is funneled. With 23mms of remaining cervix, then I'd say things are still looking good for you. I had less remaining closed cervix with the twins, and I had funneled right to the stitch at 25wks.

Unless there is more to this, then I agree that your Doc is merely playing it safe by admitting you. It's actually not a bad thing to have total bed rest and monitoring - even though I understand that being in hospital is far from fun :( If I hadn't had the kids to worry about, I would have preferred to be in hospital - that way I could have driven the medics nuts with my constant questions, and demands for 'on the spot' tvus - I would have been a 'cervix diva' in the truest sense of the word lol ;)

Hard as it is not to worry, and scary to be told there are ANY cervical changes, this is actually a very normal finding for a woman with IC hun. Unfortunately going the whole 9mths with long, closed cervixes just isn't an option for us sweet - and is why the stitch is there, to prevent further catastrophic changes.

The stitch does not stop preterm labour, but it is brilliant in 'suring up' weak cervixes. As far as we know, you don't have ptl issues, your cervix is still closed below the stitch at a very good length, and just 2 days from viability I'd say that's excellent news Olga :). Given you have IC, your cervix is actually behaving relatively well. Hope that helps xxx

Lizzie our god send angel! thank you so much for the kind words and reassurance hun....It really means a lot. I think the key for me would be resting horizontally from now on! :growlmad::growlmad:
 
Hey Lizzie,

Thanks for your reassurance. Making this a quick one as I'm knackered.

Have still felt a bit nauseous & gripey today, just not 100%. My abdomen area (I know it's not my stomach because that's moved!) just feels tender & hurts when I lie on my side - though the tightenings have subsided. Hopefully I'll get some reassurance tmrw - & I think they'll start FFN testing from this week too ...

You are a darling for your dedication to reassuring all of us, thank you. It means a lot.

Olga love I am sorry. I am a week behind you & am having a really rough time too. I had started funnelling last week & my doctor muttered that closer to 24 weeks I too might have to be put on hospital bed rest. I'm 40 next week & have a sneaking suspicion I could end up spending my bday in bed. I too find it really tough being horizontal the whole time, I'm suffering from v bad back & hip ache. I hope you're ok, it's crappy but probably the best place ...

Christiana - poor you on your 30th - you are so right anout making the next bday the important one. I am loving your optimism & positive vibes.

Thanks for your thoughts LaRock, hope you're doing ok.

V nervous about more bad news tomorrow. Will come back then.

Night all & Happy St Valentine.

JimmyJam xxx
 
@ LR: thanks for all the tips. Am planning to go with applying the cream on abyss on vaginal walls -until I see the doc again next Monday. If there's no improvement, doc may have to suggest something. The cream doesn't seem to be helping. The number of abyss down there has increased. And they are filled with piss....yuk.And even a small walk to the room hurts like hell. I wash there with plain water each time I pee, that's impossibly painful too. With my mom leaving to India today, it's just me in the home, poor dh is burdened with making meals etc. for me too :(

I just hope babies will be unharmed by all this drama. It's quite scary to imagine all this infections doing something adverse to them, or to the cerclage.

@Olga: am so sorry you have to be in the hospital. Pls know however that it's the best place to be for your and baby's safety. It's good to know you dont have additional worries like bleeding, cramping. Pls hang n there. Will be thinking of you.

@JJ: I hope your appointment today goes very well and all your fears, worries just turn out to be nothing. Are you seeing the colorist before the doctor :) am just trying to cheer you up. We will all wait for a positive update from you. Take care.
 
Jj-your next b day will be your most precious one, just wait and see, you ll wanting the song and cake and all and instead you ll get sticky fingers in the cake!!!charming but wonderful too!! Cant really offer much words of advice but i will try to keep us positive ok??hope your appointmet goes really well today!

Olga- well i m not completely horizontal 24/7 because i do get up tp eat with the lo, sit of the sofa and such things but i might say i spend about 18 hours a day in bed. It s hard but i think i m getting used to it now and as my doc said "hey it s only another 16 weeks" (dont know why he assumes i ll give birth at 38 weeks but i m ok with that!!) so less for you since you re 2 weeks ahead!!also if i didnt have the lo, i would prefer to stay in hospital too, at least you can rest more assured there!hope you re feeling better!!

Lizzie-hey doc ( i know you re not one but you surely are to us here!!) can i ask you something?well two things... One is, at 12 werks i was told i had an anterior placenta then yesterday i was told it is high posterior.wth, does it move around????? Also i dont exactly have contraction tightenings but i get this weird feeling as if my belly gets really hard and sore for like half an hour or more (as if baby cant fit and is desperately pushing from the inside out) and this happens quite a few times in the day.if you ever experience this??
 

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