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[LONG!] Don't really know what to do anymore =(

Noix

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Hi =)
I hope I've posted this in the right place..
I've been lurking around on the forums for awhile but I decided to make my first post today and tell my story.
I've reached the end of my tether and I feel that I really need some advice from an outside perspective.

Okay, I found out I was pregnant on the 28th of October 2009 and at the time I was sure it was my exs child considering we had this strange thing going on where we still slept together now and then.
I should probably say a little about him because it is kind of important. We were in a relationship for about six months from January last year until he broke up with me. I should probably mention that I was on the pill the whole time I was with him but stopped taking it after we split up because my mum advised me to give my body a rest from it. So basically, I didn't use any protection after that. Please don't judge me for that, I'm well aware that it was stupid.
Anyway my ex has some sort of personality disorder, quite possibly Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) and well, it can make things a little difficult so far as communication and arranging things go. It also causes extreme fluctuations in moods and emotions.

Back to the story; we continued sleeping with each other off and on. I also had a one night stand after getting very drunk at a club one night (this was Saturday 10th October), during 'the act' I kind of realized how much of a mistake I was making and convinced the guy to stop without 'finishing'. After lying awake all night feeling ashamed of myself I rang my friend and asked him to pick me up, I then made my excuses to the guy and left. That night I was talking to my ex online and an ex girlfriend of his told him that he'd seen me at the club with a the guy I'd had a one night stand with. It seemed to really upset him and he started saying things that made me worry about him so I text anyone I knew with a car so I could get a lift to where he lives and try and calm him down. Eventually I got there and at first he told me he honestly hated me and he asked me if anything else had happened between me and this guy, at this point no one knew that we'd slept together and that was the way I wanted to keep it so I lied and said that nothing had happened. As the night went on my ex told me that he wanted to be with me again. And at this point I should mention that that was what I wanted more than anything in the world, up until recently I still had very strong feelings for him and I would have done anything to be with him again. Before this there had been various occasions where he said I had 'chances' to win him back and there was even a time when he was choosing between me and another girl, now that I look back on it it wa skind of like an audition. So when he said that he wanted to be with me again that night it made me feel really happy and made me feel so much better about what had happened the previous night. It had gotten late by then so we snuck into his house and, pretty inevitably, ended up sleeping together.
I left in the morning, already knowing that he hadn't meant what he'd said from the way he was acting.
After that we met up for 3 weeks running and stayed the night at hotels, I don't think I need to describe what happened as I'm pretty sure it's easy to work out. During that time there was also a few mentions of getting back together.

So then I found out on the 28th of October that I was pregnant. My ex was with me when I did the tests as I'd told him that I suspected that I was. I did two tests that were both positive.
At that point I didn't have a clue about my dates and so, because we'd slept together so much recently, I had little to no doubt that the baby was his. The following day we spent the night in a hotel too and at one point he said that if I had an abortion then we could maybe be together again, I remember him saying "this isn't a trick". That was obviously quite shocking to hear but it kind of just went over my head to be honest.
I think we spent two more night in a hotel after that, various weeks apart. The only thing that happened worth mentioning is that he mentioned the same thing again but at this point I was almost 15 weeks along. I won't lie, I was tempted. I was confused and not sure whether I was ready to have a baby and, ofcoarse I STILL loved him.
By that time I had been to a couple of midwife appointments and found out that my dates matched up with the two nights that I'd had the one night stand and slept with my ex at his house. So all in all I had no way of knowing who the father was. I hated myself and I can't describe how bad it made me feel. I didn't want to tell anyone because I was ashamed of it. Eventually I told my ex though who was understandable angry that I'd hidden it from him.

I last saw my ex on the 10th January. And I've never seen the other guy again, through my own choice though. The other guy is heavily involved in drugs and such and I really don't want to get involved in that or be anywhere near it. I've never done drugs in my life, apart from smoking weed once but even that made me feel ill.
And so I've gone through pregnancy completely on my own. I do have a supportive family though so I'm very grateful for that. Ofcoarse I eventually had to go through the awkward experience of telling them that I can't be sure who the baby's father is, something that I don't wish on anyone.
At this stage I should probably say that my ex came out with quite the revelation around about this point. Remember how I said I'd stopped the guy I had a one night stand with from 'finishing'? Well I told my ex this too when I told him about it and he then told me that he hadn't 'finished' either when we'd slept together at his house. I don't know if it's true or not, by the time he said that it was quite a long time ago but my instinct and little fragments of memory seem to think otherwise.

There were times when me and my ex didn't talk for months on end but eventually, around a couple of months ago, he asked me about paternity tests. Although it was only through the advice of his girlfriend apparently. I looked up the needed info and said I'd do it if we split the cost 50/50 which we agreed.
We had various conversations/arguments about what would happen if the baby is his. Before this time there'd been stages when he wanted nothing to do with me or 'it' and at other times the opposite. But it was a nice sense of relief to agree on the test because atleast then I'd know who the father is and be able to pick things up from there.

Now we come to the present day. Me and my ex started talking again after all communication being halted after he was caught out speaking about things with me that were a little above the borderline of friendship whilst being with his girlfriend.
Yet again we had various conversations/arguments and then came the big one. He said he had an idea that I needed to run through my head but that no one else needed to know about it. Basically he said he wanted to be the baby's dad even if the result proved otherwise.
His justification was that he didn't want to see me struggle if I was on my own, that he wants to be a dad, that he doesn't want me out of his life and that he wouldn't want the baby to find his real dad because of how much of a bad influence he'd be.
I kinda didn't know what to say to that and couldn't understand alot of the reasons because they seemed very odd coming from him, considering all he'd said in the past and especially when you remember that he suggested abortion twice or maybe more times.
I'll admit it's a very tempting proposition. I still had feelings for him and I knew that he'd be an amazing father. But I also kept thinking about what might happen if it went wrong.
A couple of days later we were talking again.. this time it was definately more like arguing though. He'd taken back his 'offer' and that had really pissed me off. By this point I was SO fed up with being messed around that I asked him, point blank, "Is it worth carrying on having these conversations and trying to sort something out or should we just both move on and forget about it?"
I later realized that I'd pretty much left the decision in his hands without actually meaning to, what I actually intended was to just find out how he really felt about things instead of getting mixed answers all the time. Anyway, he had his few days of thinking time, as did I.
We spoke again and argued some more predictably. I should probably explain why we argued alot.. we always had a difference of opinion on the fact that I hated the thought of having a split family. I wasn't sure if I could deal with it to be perfectly honest. Although I also knew that me and him would never be together again, all that was just a hurtful farce. I probably shouldn't have been so stubborn about the point but it really hurt me to think of the effect that it might have on my baby.
After storming off he came back and said that he'd made up his mind, that he wanted nothing to do with me or the baby.. again. And then after a little while things seemed to get a little more honest.
He said that he knew he couldn't cope with the possibility of being a father until he'd become the person he needed to be. In other words until he'd rid himself of his illness and was sure that he wouldn't cause harm (physchological and maybe physical.. I'm not entirely sure.) to his potential baby.
All in all he doesn't want to have the DNA test anymore because he says knowing the result will jeopordize his goal. If the child wants to know him when he's older he says he has no problem with finding out paternity THEN and if he is proved to be the father then he'll make up for every wasted second.
This sent me into a rage. How can agree to that? How can I agree to putting my baby through a life of not knowing who his father is? I sympathise with my exs illness 100% but I'm not likely to put it before my own child's wellbeing who might or might not be his.
It's a ridiculous proposition. I mean what would happen if the DNA test WAS done at a later date and he didn't turn out to be the father? Where would that leave my child then? He'd have been put through ALL that for nothing.
I could never agree to anything like that and I told him so.

And that's where things have been left.
I'm 24 days away from my due date and everything seems to have crumbled away around me. I can't stand my ex after everything he's done and said.. I think it's dispicable to toy around with something so important.

I know it might be a difficult situation to advise on but I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts.

Oh and I'm sorry for the huge long essay >_< I hope it makes sense and that I remembered to include everything.
 
Oh gosh, I don't know what to say - its a mess and it seems the ex is the cause of it.

I can see that its his illness making things hard, but surely he knows its wrong to mix things about like that even if he can't help it at the time?!

Really is a hard one to say what I would do for the best, but my first instinct would be to protect my child - and for me that would be to loose all ties with your ex. I know the decision to tell your child that you do not know who their father is not something to be taken lightly at all - but the other choice of having this guy refuse to do the test but still be lurking in the background - that would screw up your head and in turn mess about with your child.

Then when/if your ex decides he can face the test it will be cleaner, as in this man appears in a childs life and is now the father...not some guy who was always lurking but no one ever really knew for sure who he was.

Sorry if that is no help what so ever, but that's the way I view it, I hope you can sort something out though that settles your life somewhat

x
 
Blimey! Took me 15 mins to read that! Lol.
Anyway here is what I think! For a start silly you! Just because a man 'pulled' out before he finishes dont mean you cant get pregnant! In actual fact men come more than once even without them knowing.
When he said he would like to bring up this child, just with his personality problems you should of known what you was getting into with that!
You have 24 days til your due date and you need to think about you and baby and nothing else. Forget your ex! He is not worth the hassle, Personality disorder or not, he needs to realise a child is involved in this!
Ignore him until baby is here, get a DNA test and as soon as the result comes through you have your answer with what to do, If baby is his arrange some sort of visitation! If its not tell him where to go!
 
First of all .... :hugs::hugs:

And now my take LOL...

We've been through all the 2 possible FOBs scenario with my Grandson and I'll tell you this - to us it makes not one JOT of a difference who his father is - we KNOW he's ours and we adore him :D :D

If YOU want to take a DNA test when LO is born then go for it - but be sure that you are ready for all possible scenarios that might happen before you do :hugs:

Now - BPD is nasty (my Mother had it) and PDs in general are a nightmare (my DH 'suffers' - although, frankly, it is everyone else around him who does the actual suffering!). They aren't 'cureable' and there is no treatment that is going to make them go away, except possibly cognitive behavoural therapy and that requires the person to actually recognise that they have a problem - something that is totally at odds with the personality disorder itself, so it won't happen :nope:

Your ex isn't capable of thinking of anyone but himself and reacting to how he feels at any given moment ... he won't ever put you or your child before that - not by concious decision but just because he CAN'T.

It doesn't matter that it has a 'label' - BPD IS that person's personality, they aren't going to change, they see everything in black and white, they switch moods like the wind, manipulate and make you feel like sh*t :hugs: I can recommend a couple of books that are helpful when dealing with these people (and a good support website) but my advice would be to run like the wind and avoid like the plague.

Yes I know they can be charming - it's how they 'hoover' you back into their lives, but the charm is a facade and you (and your child) will be the ones to suffer Hon :( If you want to chat with someone who has, one way or another, lived with PD people all of her life then feel free to PM me :hugs::hugs:

Fantastic website that saved my sanity!
https://thenook.freepowerboards.com/index.php?sid=4bca5df69e0a7e02653b9eadc4d19c06

These are all good too :)
https://www.bpdworld.org/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stop-Walking-Eggshells-Borderline-Personality/dp/157224108X

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells
 
Thankyou for your replies, it means alot. =)

-Lisa1302: That's my instinct too, the only thing I want to do is protect my baby from this situation by choosing the best option. To be honest, I don't know if I'm right here, but I don't think my ex expected me to put anything before him and that I'd always be firmly 'under his spell'.
But there's just some things in life that are way more important. And baba is definately one of them. =D

-Laura2919: I know about the whole pulling out thing and that it doesn't really make any difference I just mentioned it for the sake of including everything from my point of view, especially considering the part where my ex suddenly seemed to claim this too.

-TattiesMum: Thankyou for the links. =) He's trying his best and has improved alot lately, plus he's going to be starting 5 day therapy soon that'll last about a year so hopefully that'll help him even more. =)

As far as anything else goes I think it's the end of the line. I can pretty much be sure that he hates me and that no DNA test will be done in the near future. And I know it's not healthy to hold grudges but personally I despise him for all that he's done during this emotional time, I've been no angel but he's defininatly been the one to keep turning things on it's head and I don't think he realizes the full effect that it's had.

So yeah, I guess I'm just scared about what the future will hold and how I'll cope to be honest.
 
Agree with the other posts, forget him and move on. Focus on yourself and LO.
 
ok well...i dunno what the others have said because my eyes cant take anymore reading just now. dont usually have the attention span to read long posts but i did it...anyway...
your ex shouldnt be playing with your feelings like this, he's made his feelings clear- if i was you i would cut him out of your life. you dont need people like that. i know how scary it is, we all do in here but we're better off without them.
you need to concentrate on yourself and your lo.
i would also advise getting a paternity test. for your sanity and for the interest of your lo.
its a crazy situation but we're not going to judge you. we all make mistakes and end up in horrendous situations. we all make choices that we regret at some point. tbh you just loved someone and they didnt treat you the way they should. thats what it comes down to. yes having unprotected sex which isnt the best idea but it could be either of thems baby. doesnt matter if they pulled out before.
your ex doesnt think rationally, dont know much about his condition so just going on what you've said. i wouldnt have let him mess me around as much as he had you. if your lo isnt his then he shouldnt have anything to do with it. if you were together and working threw things and your situation was different then yeah fine...but you arent
 
That's the only thing I want out of all this to be honest - a paternity test. Because I believe that no matter what my child deserves to know the truth.
The problem is my ex, as far as I can gather, is refusing to do one until he's ready and until he's sorted himself out. Which, like I said, I can understand but I think is totally unfair on the baby.
And considering the bitterness that went on the last time we spoke I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to do it regardless and that he's basically ignoring the possibility that he might be a father altogether now.

Personally I'm not bothered about him, this has destroyed any left over feelings I had for him, I'm just trying to work out what's best for my baby.
 
i think you should get advice on that because if you want a dna test then your entitled to one. not sure how it works though
 
Yeah, I'll speak to someone about it.
If there is a way for me to get a DNA test done then I'll gladly do what it takes to get one. =)
 
I deffinatley agree that at the moment with it being so close to your due date you should just concentrate on you and LO, once LO is born you can then address the issues with your ex and see what steps to take from there!

:hugs:
 
i dont belong in here but could you not use his condition as a reason for needing the test? I mean i have no about about his condition but i guess there is a chance baby could have it if he is the dad? Or take him to CSA and they will run a test?



:hugs:
 
Oh hun, massive hugs.

All I can say is that, that baby is YOURS and noone will love it more than you. No matter who the father.

Feel free to PM me for msn or whatnot if you need a chat. I've got a screwed up FOB background so might be able to shed some light? Or just be someone to vent to! :)
 
-lesleyann: I don't know all too much about the genetic side of it to be honest and it's not something I've thought about too much because obviously I don't want to cause myself any unneeded worry and such. It could be something that could come into it though. Thankyou =)

-imace: I know, that's what I keep thinking to myself and it's what's keeping me sane mostly! LO will always be mine and nothing can change that. =)

UPDATE: I managed to get a referral to see a maternity psychiatrist (not sure if that's her official title lol) on the 23rd of this month. So hopefully talking to her about how things are effecting me and my worries and such will help and maybe she'll be able to offer some help too. Fingers crossed.
 

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