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LTTTC - Meds galore

pvsmith12

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Hi, so DH and I have been TTC for almost 3 years now, 2 of which have been spent in & out of Dr appointments with the ObGyn. I literally thought that we had tried everything... and it seemed like my Dr was even getting a bit discouraged, so the last appointment I went to I was nervous. Her entire demeanour had changed.

I decided to come right out and ask WHY I didn't Ov. I had numerous tests done, and everything kept coming back clean - no cysts, clear tubes, fine levels of whatever in my blood. It all came back to the fact that I just didn't Ov. When I asked, she just kind of looked at me and went "You have PCOS." Just like that. I know my face sunk... how could that be true? I don't have cysts! She explained in some medical mumbo-jumbo terms that PCOS doesn't automatically mean you have cysts, there are lots of other factors as well.

Then we proceeded to discuss meds. She wants me to try Metformin AND Clomid, which is fine - I will do what ever I have to do. I took those little slips of paper to the pharmacy and was shocked to see the amount of bottles. She put me on Met, Provera, Diclectin, PregVit, Clomid (For CD 2-6, which has gotten some good reviews, and that's why she wants to try those days as opposed to 5-9), and Folic. I had to start carrying around a bigger purse just to hold them all.

How about you ladies? Any of you LTTTCers on a list of pills long enough to make you cry?
 
Hi, so DH and I have been TTC for almost 3 years now, 2 of which have been spent in & out of Dr appointments with the ObGyn. I literally thought that we had tried everything... and it seemed like my Dr was even getting a bit discouraged, so the last appointment I went to I was nervous. Her entire demeanour had changed.

I decided to come right out and ask WHY I didn't Ov. I had numerous tests done, and everything kept coming back clean - no cysts, clear tubes, fine levels of whatever in my blood. It all came back to the fact that I just didn't Ov. When I asked, she just kind of looked at me and went "You have PCOS." Just like that. I know my face sunk... how could that be true? I don't have cysts! She explained in some medical mumbo-jumbo terms that PCOS doesn't automatically mean you have cysts, there are lots of other factors as well.

Then we proceeded to discuss meds. She wants me to try Metformin AND Clomid, which is fine - I will do what ever I have to do. I took those little slips of paper to the pharmacy and was shocked to see the amount of bottles. She put me on Met, Provera, Diclectin, PregVit, Clomid (For CD 2-6, which has gotten some good reviews, and that's why she wants to try those days as opposed to 5-9), and Folic. I had to start carrying around a bigger purse just to hold them all.

How about you ladies? Any of you LTTTCers on a list of pills long enough to make you cry?


Hey hun I know how you feel at one point I had all my bottles of pills lined up in the kitchen and there were about 5 different kinds!! But the provera will only be short term to bring on the bleed then thats one less? And the clomid will only for 5 days a month. As for the metformin that will be daily but it has some wonderful reviews and along with the clomid hopefully you will have your BFP very soon! Try to stay positive - though I know that is waaay easier said than done hun! I fell pregnant my 8th month on clomid and I am forever grateful to it! All the meds and side effects have all been worth it. Good luck xx
 
Congrats on your pregnancy!!! Thank you also, it gives me something to look forward to. I have had no results being on just Clomid alone (This will be cycle 7), so I am hoping the Met/Clomid combo seals the deal for us!
 
I know how you feel...I feel like I'm a walking pharmacy at times lol...I take a prenatal, baby aspirin, thyroid med, vitamin d here soon ill be starting femera...and when I'm not getting my period I'm taking progesterone...and ive tried geritol...I got some musinex incase I wanted to try that to loosin up my cm...I take folic acid too...its crazy! I told my gma I feel like her...she takes lots of different pills too :(

I kinda figured I had PCOS but I was hoping I didn't. My old ob kept telling me the reason why I wasn't getting my periods was due to my thyroid...but never did anymore testing...my new ob did testing the day I met him! I'm glad ive gone to a different doctor :)

Once I did lots of blood work and had to stay at the hospital 4 hrs with a gatherer in my arm so they didn't have to poke me so much...the one blood work my thyroid specialist did would have cost me $1700 without insurance! :/ it was crazy! Its amazing how much testing some ppl have to do and how many pills you have to take just to get pregnant! Ive had 3 different ultrasounds done checking follicles...hsg...cd21 blood work... soooo many pregnancy tests! Ive done opks...not here lately but those get costly as well...money money money :/

But in the end we will hopefully get our bfps so it'll be worth it! :) good luck girls!
 
I couldn't agree more Sugar! It is insane how much testing/meds/other procedures some women have to go through - but like you said hopefully in the end it will all be worth it! I say all the time that I would do anything I could to have a baby... and I most certainly mean it. Haha.

On a side note - CD 1 today!! On to Clomid tomorrow! :) Super excited!!
 
PVsmith, the pregvit is one of the best little prenancy vits on the market, seperates the calcium from iron to help you not get constipated. Still you might want to take lots of veggies/salad with the blue pill. Diclectin is for nausea in case you become preggers. You don't need to take it unless you feel your going to barf. Best of luck with the chlomid.

PCOS is hindered by insulin resistance. You are very very sensitive to sugar and sugar hinders your ovulation abilities. There's lots of studies done about pcos, thank goodness you don't have cysts! NAC and Inositol help restore ovulation in pcos women as they help your body deal with sugar spikes. Like green tea, they help you deal with insulin resistance by dampening the spikes of sugar that come with meals and I'm sure in ways in addition to what I've read. The links are on the left of this page and the site has to do with m/c but the studies are all about pregnancy rates, supplements AND m/c:
https://sites.google.com/site/miscarriageresearch/hormones-and-miscarriage/pcos
 
2have... Wow, thank you so much for those links! I will definitely have to keep that information in mind if the clomid doesn't work. I am still fairly new to the PCOS category - and since I don't have cysts I was always certain that I didn't have it, I never really bothered looking into it.

You are very very sensitive to sugar and sugar hinders your ovulation abilities.
Does that mean I should try to cut out excess sugar in my diet (like saying no to that extra cupcake ;) ) to help my body get back on track to ovulation?

Once again, thank you so much for that link!
 
My nurse girlfriend would probably answer that with a big fat yes but I'd say you need to do what's right for you. All I can say is read those links over carefully. It really does tell you what pcos is all about and how you can prevent it. Much of it can relate to lifestyle and I'm sure many are simply predisposed to it given certain dietary sensitivities.

There are ladies here on B&B who've cut the sugar out or lost weight, taken supplements and ovulated naturally. There are success stories that docs & industry choose to ignore because it doesn't benefit them financially. At least if you know what the problem is you are armed with the info to choose.

My specialist said there's nothing you can do but IUI, IVF and drugs (with diminished reserves). Low and behold, there's alot of studies about NAC, Inositol, resveratrol, CoQ10, and DHEA helping repair aging cells, helping prevent m/c, and helping antral follicle counts. Last feb I had and u/s showing 1 antral follie, then I had 4 show up on my u/s two weeks ago. Feb, mar & April we tried chlomid. Had I known about the supplements, I probably would have taken them while on chlomid to increase my chances. I started supplements during April & march and then finally added DHEA in May 2-4 months after taking supplements I started having BFP's in 15 months of ttc. First a chemical and then 2 months after that a BFP in Sept. I believe docs know 1/2 of what is necessary for us to be running on premium for fertility the other 1/2 is up to us but knowledge to know the difference is really important. The ladies here have popped up with so many fantastic links, it's really helped me and I'm so appreciative!
 
I have pcos...but I don't have sugar issues. Not everyone that has pcos has sugar issues...see if your doctor will do a glucose test...like a 2-4 hr one...I had one done..and my levels were fine...which is good.
 
2have... Are those supplements available OTC, or would I need to get a script for them? Just so I know, if I choose to go down that route.

Sugar... Thanks! I might have to check into that. Better safe than sorry.
 
Your welcome :) the more testing we do...the more we know about our bodies...its kinda neat...just not Money wise lol :) who knew there were so many tests they can do to us when ttc! :/ good luck pvsmith I hope you get positive results if you do the glucose test :)
 
OTC. Right Sugarpie, sugar may not be your problem but certainly hashimotos is partly due to high testosterone? Maybe there's some good drugs for that? Insulin resistance, high testosterone, there's a whole schwack of things involved with PCOS right? Insulin resistance seems to be a biggie from the studies done and from my understanding insulin is not necessarily how much sugar you eat, it's how your body copes with processing the sugar (for every human, it's a natural part of aging-we get worse at processing it). In my opinion you don't need to have an issue with sugar it to help your body cope but I don't have PCOS. Anyway, these were the studies relating to PCOS, I'm no expert and would only suggest the links as a good read!

"PCOS affects up to 10% of American women. In PCOS, reduced insulin sensitivity leads to an increase in circulating insulin. This excess insulin triggers an increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), which signals testosterone levels to rise. The high levels of insulin, LH and testosterone are responsible for reduced fertility and miscarriage.
Obesity causes PCOS
Overweight and obese women appear five times as likely as lean women to have PCOS.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100621143602.htm

Insulin resistance causes excess testosterone seen in PCOS
The combination of having ovaries which are responsive to insulin and high insulin levels in the blood, can result in the overproduction of testosterone.
https://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/pcos/pcos.html

Elevated insulin causes more potent testosterone to be produced in PCOS
Insulin seems to enhance 5alpha reduction of steroids (conversion of testosterone into the more potent dihydrotestosterone) in PCOS but was not associated with the elevated cortisol production rate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14671189

Insulin resistance in PCOS causes GnRH levels to go up
Hyperinsulinemia increases GNRH pulse activity leading to disorderly LH and FSH activity, as seen in Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonadotropin-releasing_hormone

Myo-inositol restores normal ovulatory activity and fertility in women with PCOS
Myo-inositol combined with folic acid (Inofolic) 4 g a day was administered continuously for 6 months. RESULTS: Twenty-two out of the 25 (88%) patients restored at least one spontaneous menstrual cycle during treatment, of whom 18 (72%) maintained normal ovulatory activity during the follow-up period. A total of 10 singleton pregnancies (40% of patients) were obtained. Nine clinical pregnancies were assessed with fetal heart beat at ultrasound scan. Two pregnancies evolved in miscarriage. CONCLUSION: Myo-inositol is a simple and safe treatment that is capable of restoring spontaneous ovarian activity and consequently fertility in most patients with PCOS.
https://pubget.com/profile/author/Guido Marelli

4 g/day myo-inositol improves egg quality and pregnancy rate in women with failed IVF
Recently, a number of studies have shown that the presence of several compounds in the follicular fluid positively correlates with oocyte quality and maturation (i.e., myo-inositol and melatonin). In the present study, we aim to evaluate the pregnancy outcomes after the administration of myo-inositol combined with melatonin in women who failed to conceive in previous in vitro fertilization (IVF) cycles due to poor oocyte quality. Materials and methods. Forty-six women were treated with 4 g/day myo-inositol and 3 mg/day melatonin (inofolic® and inofolic® Plus) for 3 months and then underwent a new IVF cycle. Results. After treatment, the number of mature oocytes, the fertilization rate, the number of both, total and top-quality embryos transferred were statistically higher compared to the previous IVF cycle, while there was no difference in the number of retrieved oocyte. After treatment, a total of 13 pregnancies occurred, 9 of them were confirmed echographically; four evolved in miscarriage. Conclusion. The treatment with myo-inositol and melatonin improves ovarian stimulation protocols and pregnancy outcomes in infertile women with poor oocyte quality.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21463230

Inositol improved pregnancy rate and lowered cancellation rate in PCOS infertility patients:In an attempt to evaluate the role of inositol supplementation in insulin-resistant patients with polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), undergoing gonadotropin ovulation induction using the low-dose step-down regimen, we conducted a prospective longitudinal study comparing the stimulation characteristics of 15 patients treated with inositol, to a cohort, matched by age and body mass index (BMI), without inositol. Inositol nutritional supplementation produced very good clinical results with a significant reduction in cancellation rate (0 vs. 40%) and the consequent improvement in clinical pregnancy rate (33.3% vs. 13.3%).
Myo-inositol begins working within one week, restores ovulation, induces weight loss
Of the 92 patients randomized, 47 received 400 mcg folic acid as placebo, and 45 received myo-inositol plus folic acid (4 g myo-inositol plus 400 mcg folic acid). The ovulation frequency assessed by the ratio of luteal phase weeks to observation weeks was significantly higher in the treated group (25%) compared with the placebo (15%), and the time to first ovulation was significantly shorter [24.5 d compared with 40.5 d]. The number of patients failing to ovulate during the placebo-treatment period was higher in the placebo group, and the majority of ovulations were characterized by normal progesterone concentrations in both groups. The effect of myo-inositol on follicular maturation was rapid, because the estrogen circulating concentration increased over the first week of treatment only in the myo-inositol group. A significant increase in circulating high-density lipoprotein was observed only in the myo-inositol-treated group. Metabolic risk factor benefits of myo-inositol treatment were not observed in the morbidly obese subgroup of patients. After 14-wk myo-inositol or placebo therapy, no change in fasting glucose concentrations, fasting insulin, or insulin responses to glucose challenge was recorded. There was an inverse relationship between body mass and treatment efficacy. In fact, a significant weight loss (and leptin reduction) was recorded in the myo-inositol group, whereas the placebo group actually increased weight. These data support a beneficial effect of myo-inositol in women with oligomenorrhea and PCOS in improving ovarian function.
https://www.europeanreview.org/pdf/458.pdf

Myo-inositol lowers testosterone, FSH, LH, cholesterol, and insulin resistance
Forty-six hirsute women were enrolled and evaluated at baseline and after receiving myo-inositol therapy for 6 months. No changes in BMI were observed. The hirsutism decreased after therapy. Total testosterone, FSH and LH concentrations decreased while estrogen concentrations increased. There was a slight non-significant decrease in total cholesterol concentrations, an increase in HDL cholesterol concentrations and a decrease in LDL cholesterol concentrations. No significant changes were observed in serum triglyceride, apolipoprotein B and lipoprotein(a) concentrations. Insulin resistance, analysed by homeostasis model assessment, was reduced significantly after therapy. Administration of oral myo-inositol significantly reduced hirsutism and hyperandrogenism and ameliorated the abnormal metabolic profile of women with hirsutism.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18854115


Inositol and Insulin Resistance
High insulin associated with low inositol, regardless of PCOS or obesity
Women with or without PCOS, display increased urinary clearance of D-chiro-inositol and decreased area under the curve of D-chiro-inositol-containing inositolphosphoglycan in association with higher insulin levels but independent of adiposity. Increased clearance of inositols might reduce tissue availability of D-chiro-inositol and decrease the release of D-chiro-inositol-containing inositolphosphoglycan mediator, which could contribute to insulin resistance and compensatory hyperinsulinemia.
https://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/23/6/1439.pdf"
 
Sugar... It is really neat, although it can sometimes be a major bummer if you keep adding to the list of "Things wrong with my baby-making parts." :/

2have... You are awesome. Thank you so much for all of that information! I really do appreciate it - and it will give me somewhere to start when looking into this more in depth. :)
 

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