My breathing monitor went off last night!

[WantsALittle1]

I'm so glad your LO is ok! It's stories like this that are exactly why I bought an Angelcare monitor. We bought it when she was around a month old and to be honest it's one of the best things I've bought. Before that I didn't sleep well and my dreams only returned after which shows it's helping me be less stressed. I've been worried about SIDS from the start and cried the first night home when I honestly believed that if I put her down to sleep she would die in the night - we took that first night in shifts literally just watching her sleep. I do no regret buying the monitor for a second.

We did the same thing LO was 5lb 8oz when we brought her home, teeny tiny preemie, and OH and I took shifts watching her sleep for the first two nights.

 

[WantsALittle1]

But if a parent believes that it will help and it brings them peace of mind then I see no harm and no reason to argue the point.

You know what, I wouldn't want to argue against that. Of course parents should buy them if they think they will be reassured.

Apnea is not SIDS though. Babies do die on monitors sadly because sometimes there is nothing that can be done. Sometimes SIDS happens without apnea. Often parents with monitors do not have CPR training so can't actually do anything even if the alarm does sound. People on this thread have suggested they do prevent SIDS even though leading SIDS organisations say they don't. That's the bit that keeps me arguing but I will stop now. If you don't believe FSIDS you won't believe me

In my case, I just wanted to be able to read a study. I've heard over and over, before this thread, that movement monitors don't stop SIDS. I just want someone to explain why this technology doesn't work. So far, I have not been able to get my hands on a full paper that explains cases where a baby was being monitored for movement with a home movement monitor and died of SIDS. There are plenty of references out there, but I have yet to read one of the papers, and I was hoping someone out there had done and could relay how these babies died on the monitor. 20 seconds after the baby stops moving, the alarm sounds. If the parents rush to the bedside and do CPR, they should be able to bring a potential SIDS victim back. It's not enough to me that people say it doesn't work--I want to know how it could happen unless 1) the death is caused by something that CPR cannot fix (not the case with SIDS), 2) the equipment is defective, 3) the parents didn't hear the alarm.

I really am earnestly interested, not trying to have an argument. I'm just a scientist, and so far the first 4 references in that linked document have all been busts, IMO, because none of them can be traced back to a full paper that I can read. Please accept my apologies if I sounded snarky or argumentative--totally didn't mean it that way... Just seeking a good, thorough explanation

 

[corgankidd]

^^ I would like to see the same thing!

 

[readytotry]

Because apnea is not SIDS!!!!

There are plenty of examples of why monitors can't save SIDS babies in the links I gave (can't detect obstructive apnea, SIDS not linked to apnea of 20secs or more etc).

I'm not a medical scientist and haven't reviewed the literature but the people who work for FSIDS are and they say there is no evidence they prevent SIDS. Why would they lie?

 

[Leesy]

But if a parent believes that it will help and it brings them peace of mind then I see no harm and no reason to argue the point.

You know what, I wouldn't want to argue against that. Of course parents should buy them if they think they will be reassured.

Apnea is not SIDS though. Babies do die on monitors sadly because sometimes there is nothing that can be done. Sometimes SIDS happens without apnea. Often parents with monitors do not have CPR training so can't actually do anything even if the alarm does sound. People on this thread have suggested they do prevent SIDS even though leading SIDS organisations say they don't. That's the bit that keeps me arguing but I will stop now. If you don't believe FSIDS you won't believe me

In my case, I just wanted to be able to read a study. I've heard over and over, before this thread, that movement monitors don't stop SIDS. I just want someone explain why this technology supposedly doesn't work. So far, I have not been able to get my hands on a full paper that explains cases where a baby was being monitored for movement, the alarm sounded, the parents did CPR, and the baby still died. I simply cannot understand how this monitor doesn't prevent a SIDS-related death. It's not enough to me that people say it doesn't--I want to know why.

I really am earnestly interested, not trying to have an argument. I'm just a scientist, and so far the first 4 references in that link have all been busts, IMO, because none of them has been traced back to a full paper that discusses the above scenario of an infant dying from SIDS while being monitored for movement only (not apnea or bradycardia). Please accept my apologies if I sounded snarky or argumentative--totally didn't mean it that way... Just seeking a good, thorough explanation

I think the misunderstanding is readttotry is expressing that a movement monitor will not prevent sids, which in my opinion is correct. I posted before the monitor will not prevent the baby from stopping to breath but the monitor will alert you that the baby has stopped breathing. The difference being the monitor did not prevent it happening but alerted you it did happen. I see what you are saying too that if the baby stops breathing and you are alerted then essentially the monitor prevented a sids death.

But to look at it black & white essentially the monitor its self cannot prevent the baby to stop breathing in the first place.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, I am a user of the anglecare and tbh cannot sleep without it but I understand it is not a preventer of sids, just an aid to alert me if my baby stops breathing.

 

[WantsALittle1]

But if a parent believes that it will help and it brings them peace of mind then I see no harm and no reason to argue the point.

You know what, I wouldn't want to argue against that. Of course parents should buy them if they think they will be reassured.

Apnea is not SIDS though. Babies do die on monitors sadly because sometimes there is nothing that can be done. Sometimes SIDS happens without apnea. Often parents with monitors do not have CPR training so can't actually do anything even if the alarm does sound. People on this thread have suggested they do prevent SIDS even though leading SIDS organisations say they don't. That's the bit that keeps me arguing but I will stop now. If you don't believe FSIDS you won't believe me

In my case, I just wanted to be able to read a study. I've heard over and over, before this thread, that movement monitors don't stop SIDS. I just want someone explain why this technology supposedly doesn't work. So far, I have not been able to get my hands on a full paper that explains cases where a baby was being monitored for movement, the alarm sounded, the parents did CPR, and the baby still died. I simply cannot understand how this monitor doesn't prevent a SIDS-related death. It's not enough to me that people say it doesn't--I want to know why.

I really am earnestly interested, not trying to have an argument. I'm just a scientist, and so far the first 4 references in that link have all been busts, IMO, because none of them has been traced back to a full paper that discusses the above scenario of an infant dying from SIDS while being monitored for movement only (not apnea or bradycardia). Please accept my apologies if I sounded snarky or argumentative--totally didn't mean it that way... Just seeking a good, thorough explanation

I think the misunderstanding is readttotry is expressing that a movement monitor will not prevent sids, which in my opinion is correct. I posted before the monitor will not prevent the baby from stopping to breath but the monitor will alert you that the baby has stopped breathing. The difference being the monitor did not prevent it happening but alerted you it did happen. I see what you are saying too that if the baby stops breathing and you are alerted then essentially the monitor prevented a sids death.

But to look at it black & white essentially the monitor its self cannot prevent the baby to stop breathing in the first place.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, I am a user of the anglecare and tbh cannot sleep without it but I understand it is not a preventer of sids, just an aid to alert me if my baby stops breathing.

I see what you mean, I think. The monitor itself does nothing except take over the job of the parent, watching diligently at the bedside for any cessation of breathing

 

[Daisy_Delayne]

But if a parent believes that it will help and it brings them peace of mind then I see no harm and no reason to argue the point.

You know what, I wouldn't want to argue against that. Of course parents should buy them if they think they will be reassured.

Apnea is not SIDS though. Babies do die on monitors sadly because sometimes there is nothing that can be done. Sometimes SIDS happens without apnea. Often parents with monitors do not have CPR training so can't actually do anything even if the alarm does sound. People on this thread have suggested they do prevent SIDS even though leading SIDS organisations say they don't. That's the bit that keeps me arguing but I will stop now. If you don't believe FSIDS you won't believe me

In my case, I just wanted to be able to read a study. I've heard over and over, before this thread, that movement monitors don't stop SIDS. I just want someone to explain why this technology doesn't work. So far, I have not been able to get my hands on a full paper that explains cases where a baby was being monitored for movement with a home movement monitor and died of SIDS. There are plenty of references out there, but I have yet to read one of the papers, and I was hoping someone out there had done and could relay how these babies died on the monitor. 20 seconds after the baby stops moving, the alarm sounds. If the parents rush to the bedside and do CPR, they should be able to bring a potential SIDS victim back. It's not enough to me that people say it doesn't work--I want to know how it could happen unless 1) the death is caused by something that CPR cannot fix (not the case with SIDS), 2) the equipment is defective, 3) the parents didn't hear the alarm.

I really am earnestly interested, not trying to have an argument. I'm just a scientist, and so far the first 4 references in that linked document have all been busts, IMO, because none of them can be traced back to a full paper that I can read. Please accept my apologies if I sounded snarky or argumentative--totally didn't mean it that way... Just seeking a good, thorough explanation

There no real evidence proving or disproving that movement monitors reduce SIDS. I just think some lengthy studies need to be done, still. Even though there's no evidence that they'll help prevent SIDS, it makes me feel better. I think the monitors are more for the mammas than the babies, to be honest. Also, SIDS is not a specific illness, it's just diagnosed when they fail to come up with any other cause of death. Because of that, and because of how rare SIDS is to begin with (especially since the 'back to sleep' campaign started) it will be very hard for anyone to figure out whether movement monitors really do anything to prevent SIDS. All I know is that as long as the alarm isn't going off, I know my baby's breathing.

 

[Leesy]

But if a parent believes that it will help and it brings them peace of mind then I see no harm and no reason to argue the point.

You know what, I wouldn't want to argue against that. Of course parents should buy them if they think they will be reassured.

Apnea is not SIDS though. Babies do die on monitors sadly because sometimes there is nothing that can be done. Sometimes SIDS happens without apnea. Often parents with monitors do not have CPR training so can't actually do anything even if the alarm does sound. People on this thread have suggested they do prevent SIDS even though leading SIDS organisations say they don't. That's the bit that keeps me arguing but I will stop now. If you don't believe FSIDS you won't believe me

In my case, I just wanted to be able to read a study. I've heard over and over, before this thread, that movement monitors don't stop SIDS. I just want someone explain why this technology supposedly doesn't work. So far, I have not been able to get my hands on a full paper that explains cases where a baby was being monitored for movement, the alarm sounded, the parents did CPR, and the baby still died. I simply cannot understand how this monitor doesn't prevent a SIDS-related death. It's not enough to me that people say it doesn't--I want to know why.

I really am earnestly interested, not trying to have an argument. I'm just a scientist, and so far the first 4 references in that link have all been busts, IMO, because none of them has been traced back to a full paper that discusses the above scenario of an infant dying from SIDS while being monitored for movement only (not apnea or bradycardia). Please accept my apologies if I sounded snarky or argumentative--totally didn't mean it that way... Just seeking a good, thorough explanation

I think the misunderstanding is readttotry is expressing that a movement monitor will not prevent sids, which in my opinion is correct. I posted before the monitor will not prevent the baby from stopping to breath but the monitor will alert you that the baby has stopped breathing. The difference being the monitor did not prevent it happening but alerted you it did happen. I see what you are saying too that if the baby stops breathing and you are alerted then essentially the monitor prevented a sids death.

But to look at it black & white essentially the monitor its self cannot prevent the baby to stop breathing in the first place.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, I am a user of the anglecare and tbh cannot sleep without it but I understand it is not a preventer of sids, just an aid to alert me if my baby stops breathing.

I see what you mean, I think. The monitor itself does nothing except take over the job of the parent, watching diligently at the bedside for any cessation of breathing

 

[ticking.clock]

So they say there's no evidence it helps, but it also means there's no evidence it doesn't!
I'm glad I have one, I'd rather have false alarms every night than the horror of SIDS

 

[Vidal0123]

What monitor is best?

 

[Leesy]

I can't comment on other brands as I have never used them but I have been 100% happy with my Anglecare.

 

[WantsALittle1]

I can't comment on other brands as I have never used them but I have been 100% happy with my Anglecare.

Me too!

 

[corgankidd]

Depends on your sleeping arrangement. If baby sleeps only in a crib then angelcare works great but if he is in a bassinet or if you co sleep the snuza is your best bet

 

[Leesy]

I've got a snuza too but haven't used it yet. We are going away to the river in a couple weeks so will give it a test run before then but I've only heard great things about snuza too.