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so sorry sarah (((big hugs)))

will they examen baby? or do you get to say your goodbyes at home?

Hi again girls....straight after i posted last night that i had passed the baby, the placenta was delivered which was a relief as i didnt want a D&C. Went to the hospital this morning, and took the "remains" with us. The nurse had a look to make sure everything was complete so nothing was retained, and it was all fine.
TB they said they will not examine the baby as it only measured about 11 weeks. Which means we will not find out the sex....maybe it's for the best. x
 
:hugs: Sarah

Lightweight - sounds like it could be bubs trying to reassure you as your symptoms wear off xxx
 
Only got a few minutes before bed but OMG, 98 days till my induction date! It really is a countdown!!
xxx
 
Wow Perdita! Hope you're doing well.

And since most of you won't see this 'til tomorrow - good morning. And to those of you to whom this applies, have a good Remembrance Day.
 
Things went mostly good at my scan today. I am measuring at 22 weeks (although he is not changing my due date and said we will likely induce at 39 weeks because of the blood thinners anyway) and baby is still a girl!

Everything looked great-her brain looked good, spine looked good, arms and legs measuring like they should, saw little fingers and toes, the chambers of her heart looked good, all of the valves were there and were pumping like they should be etc. When the doc came in after the sonographer, he finished up the scan (they were having trouble getting baby to uncross her legs so he was going to give it a go). He went through and showed me her brain and explained that things looked good, her spine, stomach etc.

He stopped at her heart and said "see that little white dot, that's a calcium deposit, it's nothing to worry about, it's not a hole, it's not a defect, it won't need repaired, it won't affect anything, but it can be a "soft marker" for Downs". My heart sank. He said the sonographer said she saw a little excess fluid on the kidneys and that this can be a soft marker too but that when he looked he did not see the excess fluid and said the baby probably just had to pee and did. So even though the kidney thing is supposedly no longer a concern, just the mere mention of a possible second soft marker added to my horrible anxiety. I couldn't think about anything else. It was as if all of the wonderful things I had just seen and learned about my baby girl were overshadowed by this new fear that my baby's risk of Downs could now be a concern. I felt the blood drain from my body. It was like the oxygen had been sucked out of the room. I asked some questions, the answers helped a little. My doc also went on to explain it like this: The speck on the heart is seen in about 10 out of 200 babies who are perfectly healthy and who do not have Downs and if you took 200 babies that did have Downs, 11 of them would have the spot-so the difference is very minute and this is seen in babies without Downs at almost the same rate that it is seen in babies with Downs. In some ways that explanation helped and in some ways, once that inkling of a possibility was there, it was hard to hear anything else after that.

I put in a call to my Dr. this afternoon after I came home and had time to process this and think of some questions I wanted to ask him. He had just rushed out for a delivery so the receptionist said she would leave him a message and he would call me tonight after he was done with everything. He called me a few hours ago. He was so wonderful-so kind, so patient, and very thorough in answering my questions. He said that because I had the NT and Quad screen tests done and they showed my risk to be so low that really, the spot on the heart was more of a normal variant for me than a "soft marker". He also said that since the kidneys went down so quickly that he doesn't think that is a soft marker for me either. He said sometimes when the baby's bladder is full it can back up into the kidneys and that since they went down that baby probably just peed. He said that if it was truly excess fluid in the kidneys that it probably wouldn't have gone down like that. He said he hates to even mention things like this and really only did it because he has to for liability reasons. He also said that with the advances in ultrasound technology that we see more of these things than we used to. He said he has had to ruin many women's pregnancies and he hates that. I also asked him how often he sees these two things (the calcium deposit on the heart and the excess fluid in the kidneys) and he said "almost on a daily basis". That really helped to hear. When I asked him how many of those turn out to be Downs he said that "about 7 babies are born in Akron, OH (Akron is the city he works in) every year that have Downs and that is out of about 7000 babies born in Akron each year". Considering that he sees it on almost a daily basis and only 7 babies turn out to have Downs (and that's in the whole city, not just babies he delivers), I'd say that way more often than not it does not indicate Downs. So, although this is all still in the back of my mind, I am feeling better about it tonight after talking to him more about it. If I had not had the first trimester screenings and we did not have that information about my risks, he said he would be more concerned. That info combined with the ultrasound findings now makes my risk for Downs 1/5000 instead of the 1/5661, not that huge of a difference. In that respect, I am glad that I had the screenings because in my case having that information has reduced my worry and my doctor's concern about the ultrasound findings.

I asked my doc if he thought I should have an amnio and he asked if it would change anything. I told him no, that I already love my baby and it would not change my decision about anything. He said then he would not suggest it since the risk of preterm labor is about 1/300 (much higher than my Downs risk). He did say that if my worry gets the best of me that we could do an amnio at 32 weeks because at that point if the amnio caused preterm labor that the chances of a baby surviving at 32 weeks are almost as high as those of a 40 week baby. I will give it some thought, but will likely not have the amnio. The only reason I would is to know for sure before the birth so I am not so anxious during labor and delivery worrying about whether my baby will be born with Downs. It wouldn't change anything else, it would just give me an answer sooner.

So-there is my VERY LONG story. I'm so sorry it is so long but it kind of had to be to explain everything. I feel fairly confident that my baby girl will not have Downs but if by chance she has Downs, I will love her all the same and make sure she has every opportunity in life to be happy.

Positive stories and words of encouragement welcome.
 
Morning honey, sorry that you've had a scare. It does sound very, very positive though. Crazy how it can be a soft marker when almost as many can have it and yet not have Downs. Your doctors words and figures are very reassuring. Do you know, if that had happened over here, we would have been told that it could be a soft marker, then sent home to wait for an appointment with a consultant? Usually a week later, by which time one has spent every waking minute Googling the worst case scenario.

I hope that the doc has reassured you, he really does seem wonderful. At the end of the day there may or may not be something wrong with your beautiful girl... But the same could be said of any pregnancy as not everything can be spotted or indicated on a scan.

I'm wibbling now, it's only 6am so I hope I make some kind of sense. Lots of love xxx
 
sarah, (((hugs))) i have no words, must be so hard to do all that, you're brave you know. i understand why they're not going to check, but some always do and some don't. hope you can start the mourning and recovery now... and be back soon

epd, what a scare! glad you have this wonderful doctor though who took time to talk to you and explain further.


afm... i just had a slice of pizza for breakfast (at 7am), yummm
 
Nice work Kim! I just had my 3 crumpets (with marmite) at 6:15. Perhaps time to go back to bed :)
 
:hugs: epd I am sure your little one is fine and they are just being over-cautious by telling you what they saw. Sounds like there is very little increased risk from before whichis a good sign xx
 
Sorry if this is a stupid question but when looking at my notes yeterday, the midwife wrote 'fmf' under the section about heartbeat, does anyone know what this means? :shrug:
 
Epd a woman i work with has given birth to two daughters and with both of them there were calcium deposits. This was also true for her sister and her son...The doctor never once mentioned downs as the NT scans and all other measurements were fine. He did however mention something about this being heredetery. I will ask her again and let you know.
 
Sarah :hugs: take care of yourself hunni xx

:growlmad: at grumpy sonographer Deb I hate the miserable ones they really change the whole experience you have when they are like that. Glad to hear that all is well with baby badger :happydance:

Lightweight the popping sounds like it could be baby – it’s about the right time to start feeling things now :thumbup:

EPD You must remember they always give you the worst case scenario with these things. The statistics sound very positive and like you say you wouldn’t choose to have an amino as it wouldn’t make any difference to the outcome. I’m sure they are probably just being over cautious to cover their own backs hun :hugs:

I had an appointment with the obstetrics dept yesterday as the consultant needed to ask a few questions and put an alert in my notes as there is a chance I may allergic to general anaesthetic. Did the routine checks which were all fine and I got to hear TPs heartbeat again – they even let me record it on my phone :happydance:

Am starting to get a proper little bump now – people are noticing and I think I’m starting to get to the stage where I look pregnant rather than just fat now :yipee:
 
Yay shazza that's good! I recorded the HB on my phone too which is so cool, especially when you can send it to family!

EPD - That all sounds really positive. I'm sure because your NT risk was so low this isn't anything to worry about, but it is always a shock when they say things like that at a scan.

Debs - Poor you with the horrible sonographer. When we had our scan to confirm our miscarriage last time they put a trainee in with the sonographer and it was such a horrible experience - they were whispering to each other going "look,you can see the sac is empty" and stuff. I hate sonographers that make your experiences bad!

I'm starting to feel a few more 'tickles' from inside that I can't quite work out yet if they're baby or if its my skin itching (my stomach has been so itchy recently) but hoping it continues longer and stronger so i'll know it's definitely the baby.

My husband is very poorly today, I think he has stomach flu, bless him :(
 
I forgot to say thanks the other day for the replies about me feeling worried that something had happened to the baby. Actually i can't remember if i did or not so if i did sorry for saying it again :haha:

Just wanted to say i had my 16 week appointment 2 days ago and the student midwife said we'll try and find the heartbeat but it might take a while so don't worry. As soon as she put the doppler on there is was, loud and clear! The midwife said you don't usually here is so well. It was 150 bpm and it had really made me feel so much better.
 
my goodness, i'll never forget this morning nap! i had a nightmare...a very very bad one.
we were going for our next scan and i only got to see a flash of baby, then they turned away the screen
and said it wasn't good, but they wouldn't tell me what was wrong as i had seen it move etc.
then we're treated like criminals bc we have a certain brand of cat food in the house (with lawyer and all),
doc and nurses were all very mean to us and i kept asking what was wrong with my baby,
i screamed it was fine bc i saw it move and then one of them yells in a very angry manner "your baby was exploding!"
i was crying the whole time and couldn't reach anyone, when i finally woke up it took a while to realise it was just a dream...
still...there are more fun things to dream than this!
 

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