PGCE hours

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I'm seriously thinking about a PGCE after graduation next year, but nervous about the idea of never seeing Rory. He'll be starting school by then but it'll be a harsh transition from a mummy who works at home to childminder-school-childminder if that's what's necessary. I'm worried about things like how will I help him with his homework etc. So what I'm asking really is has anyone done one and if so can you give me a rough guide of what times both uni parts were and the times of placements too?
 
I did scitt which is school centred initial teacher training, I did usually 1 day a week training, and usually 4 days in school. My dh did PGCE and did 2 weeks uni and 3 days in school though those days do differ throughout year and you will do a bit more training at start. I did when didn't have lo, it is hard but you just have to be mega organised. You can also do GTP which is where you work for school so more money and then study through a course at same time. It is a lot of work but there were a few people on my course with children, just make sure you use planning time effectively. To start with you wont be doing so much planning as you observe. I used to do my marking at lunchtime in the class room which preety much led to me only having to mark the lessons for afternoon when got home and then planning. I used to try and get all marking done before went home. I was doing pretty full time table as mentour was off sick last term so I was teaching all the time. You do just have to sit down to make sure its done. When I was teaching I was working till about 10/11 in the evenings and then one day of the weekend, I would time table around family time, that's what dh does, in evenings dh gets back between 6-7 and I will have food on table, we sit and eat together then I have quick bath while dh is with lo,then I bath lo and he dresses her and I get her to sleep. I did work with people who left earlier to be with there kids. I am sahm at moment but when I was pregnant I stayed till kick out time at school which was 6. Lots of people left around 4.30. While training you will do full time 5 days a week. A lot of the mums I know when teaching go back 2-3 days a week so that they have planning time on days off etc and can be with lo in evenings more (you can do this in NQT year but just means you do it longer) teaching is full on , there are people who skate through not doing much work but not the norm. The training you will be expected to do assignments, on my course we also did a reflective diary which was given in weekly, you will have reading, you have to pass 3 QTS skills tests in maths, IT and English, this you organise in your own time at testing centre, you will be expected to plan (you will have increasing time table though to start with a certain percentage will be observation) you will need to create resources or find them, mark, I was involved with report writing, learn policies, you will be giving homework, you have to make sure you collect evidence to prove you have met standards which you compile through year, you will observe classes other than mentor, you will need to attend meetings and you will be observed by school and the trainers where you study to check your teaching is up to standard. This is what we did on my course, mine was slightly more intensive than the pgce my dh did. If you have any questions feel free to ask. I know lots of people who were able to manage work load with children, they just made sure to do work when children in bed, and do as much work as they could at school. You will have half a day planning and half a day with mentor as well if I remember correctly.
 
I did 2 placements on my course, the second we were in full time with no time at training, dh had 3 placements as his first placement failed offstead and they wernt allowed to train
 
do you want to do primary or secondary as they are slightly different, I did primary
 
It is very intense and full on. I am training to be a teacher at uni, my course is a 4 year course and i am in year 3. I find it full on and i'm only in uni 3 days a week at the moment. I work in a nursery as well one day a week. I find it difficult juggling all the readings and assignments. My neighbour is doing a pgce at the same uni and is in every day. A lot of work sorting out your portfolio as well as lots of short inputs into subjects. For example the whole information for subjects such as music, pe and re and taught in 2 hours and that is it!

It is more than do-able, many people with children do it. Change though is inevitable. I am wary of next year as i know i will be on placement for 12 weeks so depending on location of school will be in 8-5 most days plus hours of planning in evening. I'm worried about my son increasing his hours at nursery and not spending much time with him. But I am doing this for our future.

From speaking to lecturers from uni most pgce students often have short burst of placements. So they may do a short module on phonics and then go into school for 3 days. I imagine there would be a placement at the end but am unsure of how long. Best to give the university a call and ask them about it :flower:

Hope I haven't come across as too negative. Teaching is really so rewarding and I am so glad that I am going into a job that I know I will enjoy :flower:
 
Thank you! I am wanting to do secondary without a doubt. Ideally I'd love to do the Teach First programme but I know it's tough to get on to. There are part time courses (standard PGCE rather than Teach First) which I am considering purely for Rory's sake, but I don't want to compromise my ability to get a job by going to a so-so university rather than a great uni, or on the job training, the latter being my preference.

Going to apply for secondary school experience soon so hopefully I'll get some idea of what it'll truly be like. So far I only have limited primary experience.
 
as above poster says depends on course but with mine we were in school every week from the start, just remember you do get good holidays to be with lo so there is upsides as well
 
One more question; I know I need a professional skills test thingy, but can I do that now and get it over with, or does it need to be done nearer to the start of my course/application?

ETA: And how on earth do I go about taking one?! All the links seem to be broken.
 
I think you have to be studying teaching already to take them, you then book through there website for the centre you choose. For experience in secondary at my husbands school they employ cover supervisors which cover sick teachers. You dont have to be a qualified teacher or could do i week volunteering. In sime areas there is a way you can apply after finish degree to go work fir a school two weeks with pay where you do some teaching for experience. We had someone at uni come talk to us about applying for that.
 
Have you considered school direct? We have loads in our secondary school and they do 1 day at uni, 4 days in school and it is a gradual introduction to taking over lessons ( a lot slower pace than teach first). Also they didn't fill all the places for this year so will be easier to get on to than teach first.

Any teacher training is really intense but my pgce year was definately more intense than the school direct as by Xmas I was already teaching 18 lessons a week compared to about 9 which our school direct trainees are doing but it will depend on the university as our pgce student at moment is only doing 10 for her first placement. For the skills tests I think you have to pass them before you start the course now and only get one try but once you are offered a place they will send a TRN number and you book the test online. You do them at the same centre they have driving theory tests.
 
I would try and do the skills test asap. The government was supposed to be making the tests harder last month but they have delayed that. So they are still at the same level and you can take each test up to a maximum of three times. If you fail your third attempt you are not allowed to get the QTS for 24 months!

You can take them at the place where you get your theory test taken. I would call the centre and enquire :flower:
 
The government are so stupid with skills test. The ict test was to easy so when i did it they had lengthened it. The it test does not test skills as it does not work like a normal computer system as thry cant use windows set up meaning if you use a normal short cut despite fact is correct you can fail as they say mistake
 
Skills tests now have to be passed before you can take up a place on course... You only have to do maths and English and plenty of practise materials available online... Dh is a secondary teacher and while i was doing primary pgce he said his was less intense but more time on placement. But i think the changed hours for placements this year. I have just completed mine so now thinking about a job...!
Regards lo they will get used to longer nursery hours. My lo was 14 months and not happy when i started but now he loves nursery...! :)
 
Thats interesting that you have to pass first. When i trained and dh trained you did it while on course as some material for it was discussed on course
 
I get what the skills thingy is, it's just all the sites about it online have been removed. I just want to be able to book it and I can't! Plus I have no idea of the name of the place that does theory tests around here and I can't find it. Did a practice test this morning and I must say I thought it was tough! Got an A in maths GCSE but the mental arithmetic really caught me off guard!
 
I did a primary(Early Years specialism) PGCE and it was quite full on. Uni hours were 9-5 Monday-Thursday and 9-12 Fridays. And then obviously there's planning, reading and essay writing to do at home.

On my first placement I had to be in for 8am and when I left depended on what day it was. Tuesdays and Thursdays there were meetings and I went to those, they finished between 6-8pm depending on what we covered. On the other days I'd leave at about 5-5.30pm. I had PPA time at that school so I was able to cut down on the amount of planning I did at home a bit.

On my 2nd placement I had to be in for 8am again but never left before 6.30pm. Again I had meetings twice a week, they finished at 7pm. I didn't get any PPA time and by the 2nd week of my placement I was teaching all the lessons, which was great for experience but meant I had more to plan lol. I never went to bed before 1am and would be up at 6am to travel in, I was so tired! It was a lot more work than I do now!
 
Google pearsons skills tests... They are the people who run them. It maybe though that you need to have a confirmed place on course and then need to pass the skills tests in order to register ..?! Its only changed since this years intake as i did mine between placements. There was nothing in the course for the tests but extra workshops were held for those who struggled. Best advice is just practise and the real thing is easier than online practise ones...! :)
eta have to agree with above for hours though we were only ever at 80% teaching load though i was doing more like 90% most weeks...
 
the hours are gruelling, at the end I was doing 95% - 100 % teaching but first term and second probably 80%, I was always exhausted and stressed lol, the thing with teaching is there is always something you could be doing so even when you tell yourself to sleep there is always stuff you could be doing. To be honest I loved the kids, hated the paper work. When I was teaching after qualified the amount of time I sat there doing pure paper work which would then sit in the cubourd the next year never to be glanced at again is stupid
 

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