Pre-seed. I've read something in the leaflet that has me concerned?

[Jan34]

I've just taken delivery of another batch of pre-seed, only this time I went for the tube and the applicators instead of the individuals. There is something interesting in the leaflet that has me concerned.

"Each lot of pre seed is tested to ensure the following;
-Bicompatability by sprem motility - Sperm motility after 30 min exposure to 10% lubricant solution equal to 80% or more than that seen for sperm with no lubricant present"

I think this means that use of pre seed kills = 20% less sperm surviving, compared with not using pre seed.

Have I read this right?

And 10% lubricant solution seems quite low - I'm sure that the reality is that the solution would be higher than 10%.

 

[TrixieLox]

Hmmm, that's concerning. Not sure. Anyone? I've stopped using it but did use it for 3 or 4 months purely cos I'd read it helps. I didn't actually need it.

 

[snugglebot]

I agree with your conclusion Jan34. Nowhere does pre-seed ever claim to be a "fertility aid"

It is simply a lube that is better than most if you need lube and are trying to conceive. Therefore isn't as good as the real thing, EWCM. They don't really hide that fact either. If you look at the leaflet they show the visual on sperm survival regular vs KY or the like - there is no sperm, and in the regular vs pre-seed, the preseed shows less sperm than regular no lube.

I bought it this last month too think it was a fertility aid but when I read the leaflet realized it was better for me to not use it if I had EWCM.

 

[kasey]

Hi ladies - I am also concerned about this now - we used preseed for the first time last month (unfort witch got me on Thurs) but I have never really thought I needed it but just kept hearing success stories relating to it! However now I am confused! and wondering if it is worth it?

Maybe we should stick to doing things that help our natural juices - like EPO, drinking lots of water and maybe even the cough medicine with the active ingredient which I have heard works if you take it a few days before ov?

 

[Lilly123]

this is very interesting as I have used this for the last 12 months!!! Thanks for this! xx

 

[hollee]

thanks for this girls, i was going to buy preseed tonight thinking that it helps the little get there. i think ill leave it now

 

[snugglebot]

I am sure it is very helpful for ladies who don't have ewcm, and the vagina can be a hostile environment and can be painful without lube, which is why many ladies swear by it. Everyone is different so you will have to judge what you need.

When I first enter my "fertile" phase, I sometimes need it because I am dry. And it is fairly sperm friendly, just not a "fertility enhancer"...just "fertility friendly"

 

[JASMAK]

Hmmm...interesting. TBH, when we used it, I never read the pamphlet. But, I did get pregnant on it - first time using it (also first round of Clomid). Who knows?!!!

 

[wishn2Bmom]

I've been using it the last 2 months, and I'm a fan. Like many of you have said it's really only beneficial to women who don't produce enough cm on their own... which I don't think I do! It doesn't claim to be a fertility aid, but the way I see it....if you aren't producing very much cm on your own then the survival rate of the sperm is better with it than without. Does that make sense? haha it does in my head anyway...

 

[CurlySue]

I think the point is, Pre Seed has eighty percent. The likes of KY has something like five percent.

Whilst it is not perfect it is necessary for some people who cannot BD without it (hands up!) and at eighty percent is a hell of a lot lesser evil than other lubricants.

 

[littlestar]

"Each lot of pre seed is tested to ensure the following;
-Bicompatability by sperm motility - Sperm motility after 30 min exposure to 10% lubricant solution equal to 80% or more than that seen for sperm with no lubricant present".

I read this as pre-seed improving the motility by 80% as opposed to those not using it; where the pre-seed(10%) to sperm mixture(90%).
or after 30 mins exposure 80% swimmers have maintained good motility as opposed to those not using it.

I been using Pre-seed since september 08, no yet though loads have sworn by it, or maybe i'm reading it wrong?

 

[rachelle1975]

Hey

spoke my FS about this last year.
We got told that if you have a low count then they wouldn't recommend in 'just in case' - they even said not to use any spermicides INCLUDING saliva as they can all have a detrimental effect on count.
GP said if you have a 'normal' count then preseed could assist if there is very little natural lubrication but there is no real medical proof to back it up.

We still have it... just in case we need some assistance

 

[snugglebot]

"Each lot of pre seed is tested to ensure the following;
-Bicompatability by sperm motility - Sperm motility after 30 min exposure to 10% lubricant solution equal to 80% or more than that seen for sperm with no lubricant present".

I read this as pre-seed improving the motility by 80% as opposed to those not using it; where the pre-seed(10%) to sperm mixture(90%).
or after 30 mins exposure 80% swimmers have maintained good motility as opposed to those not using it.

You should probably investigate what they mean by "no lubricant present". I see it as no CM or preseed. if you have fertile CM, that to me is lubrication, whereas sperm can't survive in the vagina very long if you don't have fertile CM or aren't using preseed.

 

[srm0421]

ok I don't have time to read everyone's out look on this right now but I will get back to it I just wanted to share what my leaflet says

"preseed is not a contraceptive, it does not kill sperm or interfere with sperm function"


It also says it is PH balanced to mimic fertile CM. I will continue to use it because I have faith in it but if anyone has any doubts about using it then I suggest you don't ,I do not get any EWCM so I am going to use it to help me. Good luck

 

[CurlySue]

Killing some sperm is better than having no cervical mucus and NO sperm being able to reach their destination. That's how I always saw it, anyway.

 

[Farie]

Killing some sperm is better than having no cervical mucus and NO sperm being able to reach their destination. That's how I always saw it, anyway.

Same
Better than saliva or nothing!

 

[Pippin]

Killing some sperm is better than having no cervical mucus and NO sperm being able to reach their destination. That's how I always saw it, anyway.

I was going to write something like this. I naturally have very little EWCM and I swear that I only conceived because we were using it (first time using after a long, long time npnt) I think it helped 'bridge the gap' so it was a good thing for us but I can understand the worry if you have male fertility issues. Our natural CM kills off some of the little buggers too (just not fair is it), I think I'm right thinking that anyway, ready to be corrected though!

 

[FBbaby]

But is EWCM or WCM the most fertile one? I am confused about this one having read that both are. I don't produce EWCM any longer, despite taking epo, probably due to long term anti-histamine treatment. I do however produce a lot of watery CM.

I fell pg first cycle trying, used preseed, unfortunately miscarried. I intended continuing with it, but the truth is I don't particularly like it even though I only use .5 of it (too slippery). Now I'm wondering if I need to anyway.

 

[Pippin]

It's definitely Egg White CM that is the most fertile and allows sperm to swim through it. Anything whitish has sperm killing acidy stuff in it. Natures way of protecting us or something like that in our none fertile times.

How about using the preseed just once near O time and then not using it the other times then it's only one time you need to endure it?

 

[Lyns]

I've started to have concerns about pre-seed as I have conceived twice using it, but miscarried both times, whereas when i don't use I concieved and didn't miscarry?? Go figure. I've also noticed a lot of women who do use it go on to miscarry. Maybe its coincidence, but it bothers me.

My real concern is that my natural CM is a 'filte'r for those that shouldn't get through, and maybe Pre-seed is letting some not so great ones through (we have morphology issues) hence the reason I'm miscarrying....

If we use it all, its just the tiniest touch to ease entry.

For those of you who say you haven't got much EWCM, have a little look on FF at the subject of no EWCM.....it tells you to try some Kegels or check internally after a bowel movement as thats when it gets pushed towards the entrance. I didn't think I had any, but kegels really helped me! Don't forget.....its by the cervix you need it....not outside....