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Should we pay £10 to see our GP?

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What do we think?

On the one hand I totally understand that the NHS isn't surviving as it is and it was set up a time when our population was vastly different to what it is today.

However, it just goes against what I thought the NHS was about, I'm bitter enough having to pay for prescriptions (having originally come from Wales!)

Changes definitely have to be made, is this a good one?
 
No!

Where I live it costs £37 on average to see the doctor, although prescriptions are free, and all that happens is people don't go to the doctor unless absolutely necessary, cancer etc. is usually spotted at a much later stage than in the UK. Or, if people feel really awful they just go to A & E instead and that's a complete waste. I understand the NHS is overstretched and sometimes overused, maybe a small fee would stop people going with just a cold, but the consequences could be awful, there must be other ways to run the NHS much more efficiently, plenty of other countries manage it.

I took Jacob when he was a baby to the doctor once over here and received a bill for £60, I didn't hesitate to take him but knowing how much it would cost could easily have made many people think twice and then who knows what could happen.
 
No!

Where I live it costs £37 on average to see the doctor, although prescriptions are free, and all that happens is people don't go to the doctor unless absolutely necessary, cancer etc. is usually spotted at a much later stage than in the UK. Or, if people feel really awful they just go to A & E instead and that's a complete waste. I understand the NHS is overstretched and sometimes overused, maybe a small fee would stop people going with just a cold, but the consequences could be awful, there must be other ways to run the NHS much more efficiently, plenty of other countries manage it.

I took Jacob when he was a baby to the doctor once over here and received a bill for £60, I didn't hesitate to take him but knowing how much it would cost could easily have made many people think twice and then who knows what could happen.

Wow is it that different in jersey then? I would have assumed it would be the same as England gosh!
 
No, but I think GP services are so crap anyway, I can never get to see a doctor, I waited over 8 months for a smear, I took my toddler to the go after he had a cough and the night before couldn't breathe, and he said, is he better form last night then, and I said, well yes obviously and he said, why are you here wasting my time then! Argh!

I don't think the NHS is sustainable though, but I think it needs changing, if the GP services were more accessible that would help a&e massively, plus get rid of layer upon layer of management, jobs done.
 
£10 is far too much money - I would be happy to pay £5 perhaps. I would rather pay a little than have an underfunded service. I don't think you should pay to get a repeat prescription though, or if you still have the same problem as you originally came in with and it hasn't been resolved.
 
I don't think anyone should have to pay to see a GP but there is abuse and misuse of the system. I don't think that will ever be fixed though and if GP services are charged for there will be more of a strain on A&E departments. No win situation
 
I wouldn't like to see the NHS move away from its idea of no payment up front, I hate slippery slope arguments but this is one I would really worry about.

I remember there was some discussion a few years ago about charging people who make an appointment but don't turn up - has that happened? Cos I think that would be a good idea, it would bring in some money and it would also discourage people from not bothering to cancel appointments as cancelling the appointment in good time would allow the GP to use that appointment time for someone else which would help waiting times too.
 
Having worked in a very busy radiology dept, I can tell you that if you charged for missed appts you'd make a heck of a lot of money. We averaged 4 missed appts a day at 30mins each. That's 2 hours of time wasted that could have been used for people who desperately needed a scan. We have huge waiting lists that cannot be got through any quicker and because these people miss appts (and most don't even bother to cancel) they have to be added on again which in turn creates a longer list.
No I don't think you should pay to see your GP but as you can tell yes I think you should be charged if you waste hospital time.
 
Don't the NHS spend a crazy amount training nurses? I don't know much about it but my sister is doing a nursing degree and found that there are so many trainee nurses that it's hard to find a uni place, and apparently it's difficult to find a job afterwards, but then the NHS is funding the degree to encourage more people to train as nurses?! I find that kind of ironic as there are apparently not altogether many jobs and people are fighting for places :shrug: Maybe I'm missing something though!

To the original question, I agree wholly with Fergie.
 
Definitely like the idea of charging for missed appointments, people take advantage and abuse the NHS.

Emy I have heard similar thing with other courses that are taught like speech therapy and midwifery, they pay for tuition but then there's barely any jobs, you'd think there'd be better communication between recruitment of students and jobs, it's not fair to the students or the NHS.

I also think money should be reaped from some of the poor lifestyle choices that are putting pressure on the NHS, like drunkenness, I was shocked to watched 999 what's your emergency following ambulance services, the NHS isn't sustainable because we are expecting it to look after us but we're not making an effort to look after ourselves with the way we eat, drink, amongst other habits, no we don't want a nanny state and yet we're happy for nappy to look after us when we have made poor choices!!
 
No that's an awful idea! Fantastica pointed out that in Jersey people often don't get treated for illnesses until much too late - would that not then cost the NHS more? It has the feel of punishing people for getting ill :wacko:

I also don't agree with charging based on lifestyle choices. I mean where draw the line? My mother used to be a smoker, she started at a time when there was less awareness and took a long time trying to stop. Now she has COPD and requires the use of a nebuliser. If she had to pay to call out the COPD nurse to bring it, it's likely she wouldn't be able to afford to so would go without. The last time she had a severe attack without her nebuliser she ended up on life support. Would we be paying to keep her alive? If we couldn't would they let her die? :shrug:
What would we charge for, everything? I mean how do we determine what's caused by lifestyle? It's a minefield.

I do get the whole turning up drunk thing. I've heard some horrendous stories just from my friends - paramedics must have the patience of saints. Weren't we going to start charging for that anyway?

Charging for missed appointments is a great idea I think, not just to recoup money but as a PP said, to cut lists.
 
No that's an awful idea! Fantastica pointed out that in Jersey people often don't get treated for illnesses until much too late - would that not then cost the NHS more? It has the feel of punishing people for getting ill :wacko:

I also don't agree with charging based on lifestyle choices. I mean where draw the line? My mother used to be a smoker, she started at a time when there was less awareness and took a long time trying to stop. Now she has COPD and requires the use of a nebuliser. If she had to pay to call out the COPD nurse to bring it, it's likely she wouldn't be able to afford to so would go without. The last time she had a severe attack without her nebuliser she ended up on life support. Would we be paying to keep her alive? If we couldn't would they let her die? :shrug:
What would we charge for, everything? I mean how do we determine what's caused by lifestyle? It's a minefield.

I do get the whole turning up drunk thing. I've heard some horrendous stories just from my friends - paramedics must have the patience of saints. Weren't we going to start charging for that anyway?

Charging for missed appointments is a great idea I think, not just to recoup money but as a PP said, to cut lists.

I know what you mean, and it is one of those tricky slippery slope arguments, but is it really fair that the NHS is being crippled by the costs of peoples choices, I think we are beyond the point of just having rights to medical care, if we are going out and get wrecked do we have the right to expect an ambulance must come out to us? If we are smoking 30 cigarettes a day and not making any effort to stop do we have the right to expect the NHS to treat all related diseases? If we are eating ourselves to obesity can we expect care? I'm not saying the answer is no, because as you say where on earth do you draw the line and much of the time you can't even prove what has caused different diseases, but if people are going to make these choices someone is going to have to pay, so we need to decide if we start charging "unhealthy" individuals more, or if we are happy to spread the cost amongst everyone, NI contributions isn't covering this so we will need to expect to start paying for things such as GP visits. We can't have it both ways.
 
I might sound stupid here but I thought some of your national insurance contributions from wages went towards healthcare?
 
I might sound stupid here but I thought some of your national insurance contributions from wages went towards healthcare?

They do but NI pays for other things as well, and with an aging population amongst other issues with an expanding more complicated society the current system isn't being sustained well as it is. Not that I know all the ins and outs at all lol, there's a lot of argument about the structure and management of the NHS as well. I love the NHS and think we are BLESSED to have it, but I really hope the politicians can get a grip on it soon, I'd love to know how other countries manage their universal healthcare because you hear such positive things from other European countries, I'd like to know what we do differently.
 
I might sound stupid here but I thought some of your national insurance contributions from wages went towards healthcare?

They do but NI pays for other things as well, and with an aging population amongst other issues with an expanding more complicated society the current system isn't being sustained well as it is. Not that I know all the ins and outs at all lol, there's a lot of argument about the structure and management of the NHS as well. I love the NHS and think we are BLESSED to have it, but I really hope the politicians can get a grip on it soon, I'd love to know how other countries manage their universal healthcare because you hear such positive things from other European countries, I'd like to know what we do differently.

Well here you pay charges to see the doctor (about 13 euros a time, but after 3 times, or after 27 euros in some clinics, the rest of the visits are free) and 27 euros for specialists and 33 euros per day for hospital stays. A long hospital stay can get pretty expensive (though there's a yearly limit for all medical charges) but if you're on income support it gets paid for you so the poorest aren't put off going to the doctor. I think its pretty reasonable except for prescription costs can be pretty expensive.
 
I might sound stupid here but I thought some of your national insurance contributions from wages went towards healthcare?

They do but NI pays for other things as well, and with an aging population amongst other issues with an expanding more complicated society the current system isn't being sustained well as it is. Not that I know all the ins and outs at all lol, there's a lot of argument about the structure and management of the NHS as well. I love the NHS and think we are BLESSED to have it, but I really hope the politicians can get a grip on it soon, I'd love to know how other countries manage their universal healthcare because you hear such positive things from other European countries, I'd like to know what we do differently.

Well here you pay charges to see the doctor (about 13 euros a time, but after 3 times, or after 27 euros in some clinics, the rest of the visits are free) and 27 euros for specialists and 33 euros per day for hospital stays. A long hospital stay can get pretty expensive (though there's a yearly limit for all medical charges) but if you're on income support it gets paid for you so the poorest aren't put off going to the doctor. I think its pretty reasonable except for prescription costs can be pretty expensive.

Do you find it is a good service? I wouldn't be happy to pay £10 at the moment having to wait 2 weeks for a 10 min appointment to see a dr who won't remember my name, but if services improved, if they did home visits, opened on weekends, it would be worth the money!
 
I might sound stupid here but I thought some of your national insurance contributions from wages went towards healthcare?

They do but NI pays for other things as well, and with an aging population amongst other issues with an expanding more complicated society the current system isn't being sustained well as it is. Not that I know all the ins and outs at all lol, there's a lot of argument about the structure and management of the NHS as well. I love the NHS and think we are BLESSED to have it, but I really hope the politicians can get a grip on it soon, I'd love to know how other countries manage their universal healthcare because you hear such positive things from other European countries, I'd like to know what we do differently.

Well here you pay charges to see the doctor (about 13 euros a time, but after 3 times, or after 27 euros in some clinics, the rest of the visits are free) and 27 euros for specialists and 33 euros per day for hospital stays. A long hospital stay can get pretty expensive (though there's a yearly limit for all medical charges) but if you're on income support it gets paid for you so the poorest aren't put off going to the doctor. I think its pretty reasonable except for prescription costs can be pretty expensive.

Do you find it is a good service? I wouldn't be happy to pay £10 at the moment having to wait 2 weeks for a 10 min appointment to see a dr who won't remember my name, but if services improved, if they did home visits, opened on weekends, it would be worth the money!

I think its pretty good. I get same day appointments if I feel its an urgent issue, otherwise I might wait a week or so. Its open evenings and weekends as well (though its not the same everywhere, but here it is at least). Same day appointments are with the duty doctor though so you might get someone who doesn't know you. Don't have assigned GPs but I always request the same doctor if its not an urgent appointment so its basically the same as having your own GP.
 
I might sound stupid here but I thought some of your national insurance contributions from wages went towards healthcare?

They do but NI pays for other things as well, and with an aging population amongst other issues with an expanding more complicated society the current system isn't being sustained well as it is. Not that I know all the ins and outs at all lol, there's a lot of argument about the structure and management of the NHS as well. I love the NHS and think we are BLESSED to have it, but I really hope the politicians can get a grip on it soon, I'd love to know how other countries manage their universal healthcare because you hear such positive things from other European countries, I'd like to know what we do differently.

Well here you pay charges to see the doctor (about 13 euros a time, but after 3 times, or after 27 euros in some clinics, the rest of the visits are free) and 27 euros for specialists and 33 euros per day for hospital stays. A long hospital stay can get pretty expensive (though there's a yearly limit for all medical charges) but if you're on income support it gets paid for you so the poorest aren't put off going to the doctor. I think its pretty reasonable except for prescription costs can be pretty expensive.

Do you find it is a good service? I wouldn't be happy to pay £10 at the moment having to wait 2 weeks for a 10 min appointment to see a dr who won't remember my name, but if services improved, if they did home visits, opened on weekends, it would be worth the money!

I think its pretty good. I get same day appointments if I feel its an urgent issue, otherwise I might wait a week or so. Its open evenings and weekends as well (though its not the same everywhere, but here it is at least). Same day appointments are with the duty doctor though so you might get someone who doesn't know you. Don't have assigned GPs but I always request the same doctor if its not an urgent appointment so its basically the same as having your own GP.

This is pretty much what I have in my local clinic - free of charge of course. I can usually see the doctor of my choice within a 4 or 5 days and can always get an appt on the day with someone.

I actually called yesterday for a non urgent appt with a particular doctor, I asked for either Monday or Thursday between 10am and 10.45am (after DD2's nap, before I collect DD1 from nursery). I have an appt in less than three weeks, I think that's brilliant.

We have 11 permanent doctors, plus several nurses, health visitors, midwife, and many other specialists who work out of 3 of the local clinics (podiatrist, district nurses, macmillan nurse, speech therapist to name a few.). They have stop smoking clinics, baby clinics, alcohol/drug clinics, sexual health clinics, weight loss clinic, travel clinic and counselling. All this in a relatively small town. Oh and you can book appts online - great at 8pm when you have forgotten to ring!

I feel incredibly lucky to have the service we do here, however my sisters local clinic is so different. There is only two doctors, both Indian males. She has no problem with them not being British other than the fact that communication is terrible, she has had to leave appts before as they could not understand each other (and she is patient and speaks clearly- no strong accent). Also no opportunity to request a female and neither of them specialised in maternity/paediatrics so not a whole lot of use since she has two little ones.

I find it so strange that there can be such differences between clinics, there is no continuity at all. Obviously I don't want our services cut but I don't understand how we can get all that and yet other people have to wait weeks to see someone.

Back to the original point. I disagree with charging for appts but do agree with charging for missed appts. With the NHS under the pressure it is then you should be charged for wasting peoples time.
 
I might sound stupid here but I thought some of your national insurance contributions from wages went towards healthcare?

They do but NI pays for other things as well, and with an aging population amongst other issues with an expanding more complicated society the current system isn't being sustained well as it is. Not that I know all the ins and outs at all lol, there's a lot of argument about the structure and management of the NHS as well. I love the NHS and think we are BLESSED to have it, but I really hope the politicians can get a grip on it soon, I'd love to know how other countries manage their universal healthcare because you hear such positive things from other European countries, I'd like to know what we do differently.

Well here you pay charges to see the doctor (about 13 euros a time, but after 3 times, or after 27 euros in some clinics, the rest of the visits are free) and 27 euros for specialists and 33 euros per day for hospital stays. A long hospital stay can get pretty expensive (though there's a yearly limit for all medical charges) but if you're on income support it gets paid for you so the poorest aren't put off going to the doctor. I think its pretty reasonable except for prescription costs can be pretty expensive.

Do you find it is a good service? I wouldn't be happy to pay £10 at the moment having to wait 2 weeks for a 10 min appointment to see a dr who won't remember my name, but if services improved, if they did home visits, opened on weekends, it would be worth the money!

I think its pretty good. I get same day appointments if I feel its an urgent issue, otherwise I might wait a week or so. Its open evenings and weekends as well (though its not the same everywhere, but here it is at least). Same day appointments are with the duty doctor though so you might get someone who doesn't know you. Don't have assigned GPs but I always request the same doctor if its not an urgent appointment so its basically the same as having your own GP.

This is pretty much what I have in my local clinic - free of charge of course. I can usually see the doctor of my choice within a 4 or 5 days and can always get an appt on the day with someone.

I actually called yesterday for a non urgent appt with a particular doctor, I asked for either Monday or Thursday between 10am and 10.45am (after DD2's nap, before I collect DD1 from nursery). I have an appt in less than three weeks, I think that's brilliant.

We have 11 permanent doctors, plus several nurses, health visitors, midwife, and many other specialists who work out of 3 of the local clinics (podiatrist, district nurses, macmillan nurse, speech therapist to name a few.). They have stop smoking clinics, baby clinics, alcohol/drug clinics, sexual health clinics, weight loss clinic, travel clinic and counselling. All this in a relatively small town. Oh and you can book appts online - great at 8pm when you have forgotten to ring!

I feel incredibly lucky to have the service we do here, however my sisters local clinic is so different. There is only two doctors, both Indian males. She has no problem with them not being British other than the fact that communication is terrible, she has had to leave appts before as they could not understand each other (and she is patient and speaks clearly- no strong accent). Also no opportunity to request a female and neither of them specialised in maternity/paediatrics so not a whole lot of use since she has two little ones.

I find it so strange that there can be such differences between clinics, there is no continuity at all. Obviously I don't want our services cut but I don't understand how we can get all that and yet other people have to wait weeks to see someone.

Back to the original point. I disagree with charging for appts but do agree with charging for missed appts. With the NHS under the pressure it is then you should be charged for wasting peoples time.

Such a postcode lottery isn't it? But that is a great clinic you have!

Annoying for your sister about not having maternity/paedriatic doctors - here maternity and children under 7 have their own clinics so you get specialised doctors and nurses (and older children have school health services) which is another thing I like about it. And most employed people get occupational healthcare which probably has even shorter waiting times.
 

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