SIDS Prevention

[gingerwhinger]

Thanks for the post - interesting reading for each of us to either run with or ignore entirely based on ones own feelings and opinions. I don't think the OP was opening up a debate, merely highlighting the situation as she, her mother and plenty of other people see it. If you want to talk about the benefits of co-sleeping, behaps make another thread for that purpose x

 

[Speccy]

Instead of using a cot bumper, there is a product called an Airwrap - https://www.kiddicare.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdisplay0_10751_-1_92169_10001 It's safe and lets the air circulate through the cot.

 

[MissIntrigue]

We used a breathable bumper with DD (you could see through it etc) and she was fine... it was more of a worry when she got older and used it to try to climb out of her crib! Debating on using one again, only because the one we have is pinkish and if we have a boy, well, don't really want to go out and buy another one As for co-sleeping, if it is done safely it is fine. Also make sure that if you are on any drowsy medication that you do not sleep with bubs... however if you just don't feel comfortable with sleeping in the same bed, don't feel bad! Just like whether you breastfeed or not, no one has the right to judge anyone on co-sleeping or not co-sleeping.

 

[MissIntrigue]

Oh and I did co-sleep with DD once in a while (like a particularly tough night when she would go on a nursing frenzy and nurse for 2 hours straight... I would lay her down in my bed with me and I would fall asleep while she nursed - always put a pillow behind my back however and made sure she was in the middle of the bed and could not fall off. The pillow on my back let me lay back a little because I was so paranoid about flopping over on her). It worked fine for us, but once I had her in a crib (4 months) the co sleeping stopped because she slept longer in the crib than the bassinet.

 

[amandad192]

I'm a bit shocked how a couple of people here seem to be slagging off Olivia for this post. She stated the facts about medical research which are all correct. I'm a maternity nurse and must follow these guidelines at work and advise mums but it's entirely up to mum what she wants to do. Olivia also mentioned that everyone has diff opinions and didn't tell people to avoid co sleeping, the guideline does. If you want to do it then do it. She was only trying to help for crying out loud. If you don't like the guidelines Olivia listed here, go and do your own research. Dont argue with her, write to BMJ! This clearly shows that helping people is not always appreciated. Thank you olivia, I'll be a first time mum and although I know the guidelines most of us dont and it's certainly good to know what we SHOULD be avoiding. Maybe that 'should' clears the air here. Wow, I got peed off, must be the hormones!

I'm sorry but I [ME-MY OPINION] don't beleive that ALL the "facts" pointed out are correct.

1. No bumper in the crib! They might look cute but they are a SIDS hazard.
2. Avoid co sleeping. No sleeping on beds, couches, pillows etc. Babies should sleep on their back on a firm surface with no blankets, pillows, stuffed animals etc. Just a well fitted sheet!

A baby won't die a sudden unexplained death from getting tangled in a cot bumper or suffocating with their head in a pillow.
That is death by suffocation. There is a reason for it. Not a sudden unexplained death.

They ARE valid points to prevent the death of an infant, but not to prevent SIDs.
If done safely I beleive co-sleeping is great for both mum and baby, but if you can't do it safely you shouldn't do it.

 

[NicolaWynne]

Thanks for posting this page. I will save it on my laptop so i can read back when baby is here

Not sure what the whole co-sleeping debate is about, i dont think i would want my baby sleeping in my bed with me i would be so frightened id suffocate him

 

[NicolaWynne]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

 

[amandad192]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

I don't think anbody is getting angry. People are just sharing their opinions.

 

[NicolaWynne]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

I don't think anbody is getting angry. People are just sharing their opinions.

I dunno, i can definately sense alot of angry hormonal mums-to-be...

 

[MaybBaby]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

I agree, I don't think it was meant as a personal attack, I personally am grateful for this information, although I won't abolish the thought of small amounts of 'co-sleeping' althogether i will now know to ask my midwife for information on the subject. I do however would like to know like another poster - do moses baskets impose an increased risk being a smaller confined space? or is it that the woven structure of the basket is breathable and therefore safe?

Thanks again for the information, it has made for great reading

 

[NicolaWynne]

I wanna know about moses baskets too, i would have thought they were safer because they dont allow much space for baby to roll over onto unsafe sleeping positions?

Would be good to find out

 

[Samemka]

Srrme - I know the co sleeping this is a debated topic. I am truly not telling you you are wrong

I will say that in the past 2.5 years in the county my mother works in, every single SIDS death happened in a co sleeping situation. I know that there are plenty of other factors that can contribute as well, but I think it is worth mentioning and considering.

Studies definitely conflict:

Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) is the sudden and unexpected death of a seemingly healthy infant during sleep. Although the exact causes of SIDS are largely unknown, a recent study released by the British Medical Journal (BMJ) found over half of SIDS cases occurred while the baby was co-sleeping with an adult or another child. Of those deaths, many occurred in a potentially hazardous environment, such as in a bed or on a sofa with an individual who had recently used drugs or alcohol. This is the latest argument in a long-running debate on the connection between co-sleeping and the mysterious and devastating occurrence of SIDS.
Does Co-Sleeping Cause SIDS?
In addition to the new study by the BMJ, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) cites another study conducted by the European Concerted Action on SIDS that found co-sleeping was a significant risk factor among infants up to 8 weeks of age. Other studies have also suggested the risk of SIDS increases the longer bed sharing lasts during the night, when there are multiple bed-sharers, if the mother or bed-sharer is a smoker. The AAP also strongly discourages sleeping with an infant on a couch, as this has been shown to be extremely hazardous.

I think it is good either way people choose, that it be something they research so I think it is good to talk about even if opinions differ!

I'm aware of that, but I don't think it's fair for you to tell them to "avoid" co-sleeping altogether.

That study is not comparable to what I posted, because it's basing it off of people who co-sleep while under the influence, etc. Obviously it's not safe to ever sleep with your baby while under the influence of drugs, or do anything with your baby for that matter, and it's also obviously not safe to put a baby in the same bed as a child.

Anyway, I was not trying to debate you, but you might scare people off from co-sleeping if they had planned to do so.

Isn't this the issue though? People who have researched co-sleeping know how to do it correctly, and would know therefore that it doesn't increase the risk of SIDS......whereas those who think it's 'safe' whilst not really understanding it, and taking it as literally 'sleeping with your baby' are the ones who potentially put their LOs at risk of suffocation. I personally think that the whole 'co-sleeping is perfectly safe' message can be dangerous because the concept of co-sleeping seems pretty simple & really, parents could easily have their newborn in bed with them, duvets and pillows included, thinking it is 'safe' when they are dangerously misinformed!

Very helpful post IMO.

 

[amandad192]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

I agree, I don't think it was meant as a personal attack, I personally am grateful for this information, although I won't abolish the thought of small amounts of 'co-sleeping' althogether i will now know to ask my midwife for information on the subject. I do however would like to know like another poster - do moses baskets impose an increased risk being a smaller confined space? or is it that the woven structure of the basket is breathable and therefore safe?

Thanks again for the information, it has made for great reading

I hated Liam's moses basket because occasionally he would wriggle and the material would come off the moses basket and where it was elasticated it would cover his head. Soo scary waking up to a baby who has their head covered!! (Like I other post I wouldn't consider this a SIDs risk because if something were to happen to Liam there would be an explanation why)
I'd recommend a crib over a moses basket.

 

[Samemka]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

I agree, I don't think it was meant as a personal attack, I personally am grateful for this information, although I won't abolish the thought of small amounts of 'co-sleeping' althogether i will now know to ask my midwife for information on the subject. I do however would like to know like another poster - do moses baskets impose an increased risk being a smaller confined space? or is it that the woven structure of the basket is breathable and therefore safe?

Thanks again for the information, it has made for great reading

I hated Liam's moses basket because occasionally he would wriggle and the material would come off the moses basket and where it was elasticated it would cover his head. Soo scary waking up to a baby who has their head covered!! (Like I other post I wouldn't consider this a SIDs risk because if something were to happen to Liam there would be an explanation why)
I'd recommend a crib over a moses basket.

This sounds very scary, do you think your sheets had come a bit loose/were a bit baggy? I've used moses baskets with both my girls & never once used this. My sheets were v tight fitting, it was a right mission to get them on!

 

[MaybBaby]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

I agree, I don't think it was meant as a personal attack, I personally am grateful for this information, although I won't abolish the thought of small amounts of 'co-sleeping' althogether i will now know to ask my midwife for information on the subject. I do however would like to know like another poster - do moses baskets impose an increased risk being a smaller confined space? or is it that the woven structure of the basket is breathable and therefore safe?

Thanks again for the information, it has made for great reading

I hated Liam's moses basket because occasionally he would wriggle and the material would come off the moses basket and where it was elasticated it would cover his head. Soo scary waking up to a baby who has their head covered!! (Like I other post I wouldn't consider this a SIDs risk because if something were to happen to Liam there would be an explanation why)
I'd recommend a crib over a moses basket.

wow thank you! looks like ill have abit of heavy lifting to do x

 

[amandad192]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

I agree, I don't think it was meant as a personal attack, I personally am grateful for this information, although I won't abolish the thought of small amounts of 'co-sleeping' althogether i will now know to ask my midwife for information on the subject. I do however would like to know like another poster - do moses baskets impose an increased risk being a smaller confined space? or is it that the woven structure of the basket is breathable and therefore safe?

Thanks again for the information, it has made for great reading

I hated Liam's moses basket because occasionally he would wriggle and the material would come off the moses basket and where it was elasticated it would cover his head. Soo scary waking up to a baby who has their head covered!! (Like I other post I wouldn't consider this a SIDs risk because if something were to happen to Liam there would be an explanation why)
I'd recommend a crib over a moses basket.

This sounds very scary, do you think your sheets had come a bit loose/were a bit baggy? I've used moses baskets with both my girls & never once used this. My sheets were v tight fitting, it was a right mission to get them on!

It wasn't the sheet on the mattress..it was the bit on the actualy moses basket..you know the bit that goes under the mattress, up the sides and elasticates over the sides..ties on around the handles but the end kept coming off. (does that make sense?)

 

[roomaloo]

To be honest i haven't done any research into SIDS. Is there an age when the danger passes?

 

[amandad192]

To be honest i haven't done any research into SIDS. Is there an age when the danger passes?

SIDs is the term used for an infant under 12 months.

However...the risk decreases it doesn't vanish. People of any age can die of sudden death.

 

[Abzandbump]

Thank you for sharing

 

[MaybBaby]

Wow why is everyone getting so angry at each other? Olivia was just trying to help, she didnt say it was the law to follow these rules. Your probably upsetting her when she was only trying to be nice.

I agree, I don't think it was meant as a personal attack, I personally am grateful for this information, although I won't abolish the thought of small amounts of 'co-sleeping' althogether i will now know to ask my midwife for information on the subject. I do however would like to know like another poster - do moses baskets impose an increased risk being a smaller confined space? or is it that the woven structure of the basket is breathable and therefore safe?

Thanks again for the information, it has made for great reading

I hated Liam's moses basket because occasionally he would wriggle and the material would come off the moses basket and where it was elasticated it would cover his head. Soo scary waking up to a baby who has their head covered!! (Like I other post I wouldn't consider this a SIDs risk because if something were to happen to Liam there would be an explanation why)
I'd recommend a crib over a moses basket.

This sounds very scary, do you think your sheets had come a bit loose/were a bit baggy? I've used moses baskets with both my girls & never once used this. My sheets were v tight fitting, it was a right mission to get them on!

It wasn't the sheet on the mattress..it was the bit on the actualy moses basket..you know the bit that goes under the mattress, up the sides and elasticates over the sides..ties on around the handles but the end kept coming off. (does that make sense?)

i know what you mean its the fine fabric they have on the inside of the basket on the woven sides, must be to avoid the face getting scratched by the weave - it obviously made the situ worse xx