Updated with pics!! Photos needed cloth bum leaking still!!!!!

[doggylover]

They come with a liner. Technically the whole nappy is capable of absorbing so baby could feel wet all round, but if you change often it shouldn't be much of an issue

 

[Rachel_C]

Yes the liner in LLs is cotton fleece I think, so it is a kind of stay dry but not as stay dry as normal polyester fleece and it's a bit thicker/bulkier than normal fleece too, so just switch it for a poly fleece liner if you're concerned.

Fitteds without a full lining of stay dry fabric do have the potential to feel wet all around (as liners usually just cover the 'wet zone'). However, if the nappy is getting so wet that LO is feeling properly wet all around, you've left the nappy on far too long so you just need to change more often. That's what put me off LLs when I tried them on my first born as a newborn - I didn't like that she got wet up to her waist and around the sides where there was no liner, but looking back I just should have changed her sooner! The big advantage to fitteds over pockets is that they have the absorbent fabric at the sides to mop up excess pee, but you should only be letting that get mildly damp (so that LO wouldn't feel it as it would be spread through all the nappy layers). It still means the nappy can hold more but shouldn't affect LO's comfort, in fact it should increase comfort as there will be less pee in the wet zone.

 

[Zfbaby]

Just a quick question. I used a rumparooz with a hemp insert and within 30min-1hr the nappy had leaked and lo was soaked. I notice that the legs had leaked because the outer fabric was wet and had huge dark patches. I don't remember any of my other nappies showing dark patches when they've leaked. Does this mean there is a problem with the tpu? I'm worried my nappy is damaged. They were purchased new and have recently been strip washed. I have only washed the insert 3 times so far but online it said that was ok to start with.

 

[minties]

I've never ever had a leak with prefolds and fitted covers, of pee or poo. I love them! The only time I've seen a wet bottom with them is when the prefold got so soaking wet that the pee actually soaked through the cover overnight.

 

[Rachel_C]

No that doesn't mean there's a problem with the TPU. If you get a big leak, the wee will go up the outside of the nappy too (like wicking). If the outer is polyester (which I think Rumparooz are) it is less likely to happen than with a cotton outer, but it can still happen when the fit is bad.

I really urge you to post some photos of how the nappies fit as it seems you have having some big problems that might be very easy to sort but it's very difficult to advise when we can't see and all the standard tips have already been given

IIRC, Rumparooz have an extra set of rise snaps compared to many others so you might find yourself having to use a lower rise setting on them as the spacing is different so it's worth readjusting. Although your inserts won't be fully absorbent yet, they should be absorbent enough to last a couple of hours. Their inserts are really good. So a fit issue I think.

 

[Zfbaby]

 

[Zfbaby]

just a couple of photos. these are of our fuzzibunz

 

[Zfbaby]

and just a couple of our rumparooz

 

[Zfbaby]

Looking at the pics it clearly seems that the fb are too loose but any tighter and the marks are horrendous and he cries plus I've already got them set smaller than they suggest for his size

 

[Rachel_C]

The FuzziBunz isn't a good fit in your photos, I would expect leaks with them. It looks to me like you have it far too low at the front - it should be the same height all the way around the waist so you need to lower the back. As long as it covers his bum crack at the back, it should be high enough there! That's why you're getting the poor fit at the front of the legs because the bit that's supposed to be up the front of the thighs is lower down. Being higher at the front should help it sit flat across the front (rather than dipping down and forward in the middle) which will even out the tension all around the waist, hopefully stopping it digging in at the back.

I can't quite tell with the Rumparooz but if they are fully unsnapped, they should be really high rise - way above his tummy button unless he's the size of a 2-3 year old. Are they high enough?

 

[Zfbaby]

With the rumparooz they have one set of snaps left which is what they suggested for his weight (17lb4oz) and they do cover his belly button. About 5 mins after fitting this one he dirtied his nappy and the mess was all up his front around his belly button. But I have the same issue with most of his nappies that the folded insert is so bulky it's hard to get it to fit at the waist without l it sitting proud from his tummy or digging in and stopping him being able to sit comfortably. In fact sometimes I wonder if that is what causes his reflux to be worse.

With the fb I line the back edge of the nappy up with his belly button and then I end up having to tug the front of the nappy to get it to line up with the back so maybe I just need to reevaluate where it sits at the back. I presume by the bit that's supposed to be up by his thighs is the curved edge by the top row of snaps. I'll try and use that as a guide and get that to line up with the top of his leg.
When using snaps do you consider both top rows as the waist adjustment or the top row as waist and the bottom as leg? That's how I've been using them, is that wrong?
I might try resetting the elasticated to how they suggest they should be and then use them sitting lower and see how that goes. Maybe I can add more pics for you to look at?

 

[Zfbaby]

Just seen how many typos there are! Sorry hope that makes sense. Trying to juggle baby and phone

 

[Rachel_C]

Ahh yes I can just about see the snapped rise on the Rumparooz now I look again! I don't think the folded bit of the insert should be causing a problem - just fasten it tight enough around the waist that there is a good area in contact with his skin. You should be able to get away with a bit of the inner showing at the waist if needs be, but to help I would make sure that the non-folded end of the insert is as high up in the pocket as it can go, hopefully giving you a bit more space at the folded end. Or thinking about it, you have the nappy on the next to largest setting so you might be able to have the insert totally unsnapped anyway. I've just tried it in one I have handy and it looks like it will fit okay although I haven't tested it on a baby. If you're using the microfibre inserts, you could also try using just the bigger insert, perhaps with a thinner bamboo bamboo booster too, as I find the microfibre inserts pretty bulky. Don't be afraid to squish them at the waist though!

Sounds like you definitely have the FuzziBunz too high at the back, it needs to be level all the way round. I've just put one on my 25 month old who weighs maybe 25/26lbs and it's about an inch/inch and a half below her tummy button and the same height all round (this still gives a good inch/inch and a half coverage above her bum crack!). I often find I have to tug up the front of nappies as even after 4 years of doing it I'm still rubbish at judging where to put baby on it when it's laid flat. The important thing though is to make sure that YOU pull it far up enough at the front and don't use the snaps/velcro to pull it - it needs to stay there on its own before you fasten it, or the nappy will be pulled down. When I put the FuzziBunz on my LO, the lower row of snaps was level with the lowest part of her hip bone (the bit on the front rather than at the side, if you know which bit I mean!) so I would imagine it would be a little higher up on your LO, unless he's really tall for his weight. With them I usually use the bottom row of snaps as adjustment for the legs but it's all interconnected so you may need to adjust the elastic too.

 

[Rachel_C]

ETA, if LO has a chunky tummy and you think nappies may be uncomfortable, I'd try either having the nappies quite low (think hips rather than waist) or really high so they go over the pudgiest bit of tummy. My oldest needed nappies above her chub, my youngest needs them below - all trial and error I'm afraid!

 

[Zfbaby]

I reset the legs and waist and tried refitting it but much lower down and he was very grumpy. It seemed worse to me and he started to cry and was sick twice in quick succession so I took it off. I'll post the pics.

 

[Rachel_C]

How tight are you doing them? You should still easily be able to slip 2 fingers in at the waist elastic and one finger at the legs, so when LO sits up it shouldn't restrict his tummy. You need the elastic to be snug but not stretched when you fasten it (if you pull it away, it should spring back nicely but not be difficult to pull in the first place), so when LO moves the elastic does stretch. If you stretch the elastic much putting the nappy on, it won't have enough stretch to accommodate movement.

 

[OmiOmen]

I know this is a little bit of an old thread now, are you still having issues?

It doesn't look like a good fit. I have in issue with fit because of the folded part of the insert if I put it at the front but not if I put it at the back. This problem [for me] is worse with Velcro than snaps and is also worse on nappies, like Rumparooz, that don't have some PUL at the top part of the nappy inside. Also are you doing a boy fold on your nappies? For example with my BG 4.0 I have the main insert in and the newborn one folded in half and to the front of the nappy.

I have also had the issue that the nappies will only fit too lose and leak or too tight and make reflux worse but there was no way to get a fit in-between that, it is very frustrating. The only thing that worked was to keep trying at least 1 cloth nappy ever day to test if it would fit. You simply can not use a nappy you know for sure is too loose and you can't keep them in one that is too tight. For some babies there are times when you just can not get the fit right and you need to weight for a little growth spurt. I also find that when one brand of nappies is doing this another brand with a different fit works. For me my itti bitti tuttos almost always fit but for a couple of days every now and again they won't but suddenly my BG 4.0 with snaps that normally don't fit will then.

As for a night nappy I personally would not consider using a OSFM nappy. I really think a fitted two-part nappy is the way to go. So far we have used totsbots stretch with a blueberry wrap on nights but in the next few weeks I really am going to have to shell out for a couple of better night nappies. Some of my BTP I am fine with day naps in but some I will only really use for floor time because they just would not hold well enough if his nap was long.

I have to say that I feel your frustration. With DS1 every single cloth nappy leaked very badly on him and at 4 months we eventually gave up. In retrospect he was tiny and needed really tiny nappies but at the time I felt like having a knife fight with my cloth nappies! With DS2 we had issues but I worked through them. I know how frustrating it is to feel like you are doing something wrong but honestly for some people they work great right away and for others they simply do not fit well and take a lot of effort to get to work. In my experience of 'getting it wrong' so many times my tips are troubleshoot and then troubleshoot some more. Try adjusting the snaps, try doing something different with the inserts, try all the brands of nappies you have and consider trying something new. However do not try at high stress times! Do not experiment on a night or when out because that will drive you to stop using them much quicker. Put a nappy on when trying something new knowing it might leak but forgive the situation if/when it does and put on his more basic sleep-suits not his best clothes. The key to not giving up with cloth fully when they really won't work is perseverance but not to let it get to you either. If one brand of nappies really is not working put it to the side and try it again in a week or two. Remember they are growing and changing shape so quick that one day something might work and the next it might not. For example DS2 went up a row in his BTP and then a couple of weeks on he is slimming out and has gone back down. Also with growing I have the odd day that my itti bitti tuttos (my most reliable BTP) won't fit well and on those rare days my BG 4.0 with snaps will (my worst fitting nappy). If you can work out which nappies seem to have an opposite fit it really helps with babies who get an awkward fit.

I really do recommend a couple of fitted two-part nappies if you can not get BTP to work though. My newborn nappies were quickly outgrown but it took quite awhile to get my BTP fitting well and working but fitted two-part ones have always being bomb-proof on DS2. I found that when I was sick of the sight of BTP using my reliable fitted nappies felt a lot more encouraging than putting him in a disposable.

Sorry for such a long rambling post but I can really relate.

 

[MamaPerez]

Just curious, are you changing them right as he wets them? I thought my problem with a leaky diaper initially was the diaper fit, but I noticed if I changed them every two hours, whether it was a little bit wet, or completely full, we didn't really have the leaking problem.

Cloth nappies can only hold so much. Have you tried a bamboo insert? They work wonders. Also, where does your baby leak? Top front, out the legs, or top back? If he sleeps on his tummy and it leaks out the front, you can try a diaper with elastic in the front like the ones from the Little Bee Co.

 

[Zfbaby]

Omi- we seem to be getting on much better with our bg nappies now I've done a couple of things and lo has been through a grown spurt. In my 4.0s I've been using the insert on the smallest setting with the insert pushed towards the backlog the pocket and the fold at the front. This gives me a nice flat panel on his tummy but the folded section sits right over his bits. Not sure of this is the "right" way to do it but it's been working for us. I've not really had any leaks for a while this way. I change lo pretty much every 2hrs in 4.0s anyway so they aren't allowed to get close to full.
I've had zero leaks in my elementals/organics and he's been in one for over 3hrs on a mammoth country walk. It was full and he had no leaks or tacky bum and that was without a stay dry liner. I was amazed. We've started using freetimes too and only had one leak with a snap nappy but I think I did something wrong with that one.
I have even had a partial success with using my elemental at night. We normally use disposables at night but have to change him at his night feed or it leaks. I used a new style elemental with a little weeds hemp insert under the cotton and at his 3am feed (9hrs in) the leg was only a teeny bit damp. I call that a success as I'm happy to do a night change. I will get some fitted nappies soon though. We have 1 million pampers night nappies at the minute so it's not a massive issue at night.
I has put my other brands away for now until I can sort them out. My rumparooz, totsbots and fuzzibunz still leak. I'm hoping to meet up with a private nappy advisor after my holiday next week and hopefully she can help me sort the others.
I also did a strip wash which has helped but I will do another one soon and switch to a proper cloth powder as I'm noticing a smell again using ecover.
All in all it's getting better but still a little way to go.

Mp- I change at least every 2 hrs during the day and we use bamboo and hemp inserts/boosters in most of our nappies. I use a bg newborn mf insert and a triple layer ll bamboo insert in some of my bg 4.0s and I use little weeds hemp inserts in my elementals for long trips and night.

Has anyone notice that cloth makes it harder for lo to sit? Lou is only just starting to spend more time sitting and I've noticed that cloth seems to dig in and make sitting harder?!