3d/4d scans?

[KandyKinz]

This link... https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-an-Ultrasound.aspx sums things up nicely.

 

[KandyKinz]

I also wanted to quickly comment on the use of dopplers. While they do use substantially less strength then sonograms their mechanisms of action are the same. I can't help but wonder whether exposing a fetus to a doppler a couple time a day every day has any effects on the baby.... especially if the prolonged exposure is occuring during critical periods of brain development and differentiation. Is spending an hour searching for baby in the early days actually detrimental to fetal development? I don't have the answers and I have failed to find any studies involving this issue, but I do think that they should address it as home doppler use is growing exceedingly rapid in popularity at a phenomenal rate. And while it is lovely to hear the heart rate, based on the info I know about ultrasounds I also feel compelled to keep doppler use to a minimum as well. It'll be lovely once I'm 20 weeks and can use a fetoscope!

 

[lisaf]

https://ult.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/full/18/2/52

Just found that from the Royal Medical Ultrasound Society... Thought it was a really neat read, learned quite abit... though I'm a geek

This site was great, I especially liked to see the lengths of time for each recommended scan levels... makes me think of how bad the non-medical ones may be as far as being outside the guidelines... one of my friends had 2 of these with her pregnancy because they couldn't get a good view of the baby's face on the first one... I won't be sharing this data with her of course, lol.. she just had the baby a few days ago and has more things on her mind and don't want her to worry/feel guilty now that its done

I'm not CONVINCED they're bad, but I do place a lot of value on the source of the worry (the medical community). It also convinced me not to give in to the Dopplars either which I know would just stress me out...
now whats a fetalscope and how do I get one

I'm not saying there is anything 'wrong' with getting one of these fancy scans, but I am already taking certain risks that I can't avoid, so I'll avoid this one and maybe it will all even out

 

[libbymarks198]

wow that was a lot of reading on just 5 pages!

in NZ we do not do private scans you have to be referred by a mw or doctor some will be easier to give out refferals than others i would imagine.
I am hoping for an early scan going to ask my mw tomorrow, i think the risk of me being totally stressed is not doing the baby any good and seeing the heart beat will help with that stress.. u/s go for about 15 minutes so its not a long time..

i will get a 3d/4d scan if i ever need to have a scan at a place that does them you just have to ask and they use that machine instead of the normal one, but i will not be asking my mw for a scan refferal just to get one for the fun of it. they look ugly if you ask me

 

[KandyKinz]

This site was great, I especially liked to see the lengths of time for each recommended scan levels... makes me think of how bad the non-medical ones may be as far as being outside the guidelines... one of my friends had 2 of these with her pregnancy because they couldn't get a good view of the baby's face on the first one... I won't be sharing this data with her of course, lol.. she just had the baby a few days ago and has more things on her mind and don't want her to worry/feel guilty now that its done

I'm not CONVINCED they're bad, but I do place a lot of value on the source of the worry (the medical community). It also convinced me not to give in to the Dopplars either which I know would just stress me out...
now whats a fetalscope and how do I get one

I'm not saying there is anything 'wrong' with getting one of these fancy scans, but I am already taking certain risks that I can't avoid, so I'll avoid this one and maybe it will all even out

Little convinced?? by not given into the dopplers does that mean you won't stop using them or that you won't use them regularly?? Not that it matters

Anyways, a fetoscope is essentially stetoscope used to listen to fetal heartbeats.

Here's a pic: https://www.midwifesupplies.com/graphics/00000001/fetoscope.jpg

Technically you are suppose to put your forehead on the thingy on the otherside the thingy that goes against the belly (you can see now why I left midwifery school lol ) because it improves the sound quality but doing so would be impossible if you're the one pregnant! and I never did because the midwives I worked with never did and I just felt uncomfortable having my face so close to people's bellies... None the less I could hear just fine by placing my hand on the other end.

See link for pic of what I'm talking about: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0EsDVOhl...AAvo/XSsvdpuqb1Y/s320/fetoscope+listening.jpg

vs

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PttOM1y1.../dKTphmv01-M/s400/fetoscope+mom+listening.jpg

Anyways, sometimes you can hear the heartbeat this way as early as 18 weeks, generally 20 weeks and in larger women up to 25 weeks. Fetoscopes are generally pretty cheap. You can pick them up on ebay for as little as $15 and they are available at many medical supply stores. A normal stethoscope can also work but generally you won't hear the heart beat until a little further along in gestation. If you're buying one to listen to your own baby you want one with a longer cord so it'll still reach your belly when it's in your ears... Although sound quality does decrease with increase in length I don't find the difference to be substantial.

 

[lisaf]

I don't have a doppler and wasn't sure it would be worth the stress if you can't find the hb etc, but this data has convinced me enough to not even get one, lol.

I was tempted by the 3D/4D ultrasound but also kind of want to keep some stuff a surprise (who the baby resembles more etc) and the pictures are kind of creepy to me. But its a huge temptation... the data you linked is enough for me to ignore the temptation and just not risk it... the benefit is superficial and like I've said,... I'm taking other risks, don't need to take this one, lol!

 

[KandyKinz]

LOL I actually think they're cute... What creeps me out is that some of the companies are also selling dolls which mirror what your fetus looks like..... Now that's creepy IMO!

Hmmmm just tried to find a link to it but can't..... seems that they may have discontinued making them... Guess they finally realized it was creepy too!

 

[lisaf]

What about those 'real baby' dolls... those are pieces of art, but creepy to think of having one in your house (IMO)

I don't know if some of them are just done so early, but I've seen cute ones and even those have chunks of 'gunk' on the baby's face... then there are ones that look like pieces of the face are being eaten away by disease

So glad my friend had her baby because now she has a real picture of the baby up on facebook instead of the ultrasound, lol. I found it uncomfortable to keep 'poking' a fetus and having conversations, getting messages from one

 

[aob1013]

Just wanted to comment that "medical professionals" do not recommend non-medical ultrasounds.

Below are links to the SOGC and ACOG guidelines regarding this issue.
https://www.sogc.org/guidelines/documents/191E-PS-April2007.pdf
https://www.acog.org/from_home/publications/ethics/co297.pdf

Do you ever stop? Stop trying to scaremonger people all the time with copy and paste links from the internet.

Anyway OP, yes i had two 4D scans. One to find out the gender at 16 weeks and another one at 29 weeks - they were amazing, totally recommend them!

If you are in any way unsure or need some reasurrance that you will not be doing your baby any harm, please speak to a health professional. Your MW etc .. My MW and GP were perfectly happy when i asked them . Health professionals are here to help us, not hurt us.

 

[Tigerlass]

I am getting really irritated now, We have enough worries about risks and now we are having links thrown in our faces? If we were concerned we would ask....If you were to read the first post, NO question was even asked whether or not there were any dangers regarding 3d/4d scans..!!

I dont know if anyone else has the same, but where I WILL be having any private scans they are done by medically trained sonographers.....I would have thought if there were HIGH risks then these scans surely would not be allowed and so wide spread AND so popular!?

As to the whole left handedness.....What is with that? There actually isn't anything wrong with being left handed! My brother is left handed, aswell as a lot of other people I know!?

I'm sure if people wanted to know about any risks, and were interested in any of these links/articles/websites etc they would make a thread and ask.....!!

 

[aob1013]

Yes, what exactly IS wrong with being left handed? I am, so i am quite interested... i'd rather not see copy and paste links either

 

[tink28]

eeek this has worried me, ive posted here before about how safe scans are as i worry about EVERYTHING, but the extra scans ive had have provided me with reassurance and i think its far worse for the baby for me to be stressed out.

I had an early one at 7 weeks to confirm the pregnancy and check it was viable and in right place etc, another one just over a week later at 8 weeks as id lost my symptoms and was a wreck as id convinced myself something had gone wrong, one at 11 weeks as id had a kick in the stomach and was worried again, then my 12 week dating scan. Id only planned to have one more which would be my 20 wk anomaly scan but ended up being scanned in EPU as i was spotting, so thats been 5 in total so far by the time i was 13 weeks.

ive now decided to have a private gender scan as my hospital wont tell u the sex, so it will be a total of 7 throughout the pregnancy unless of course anymore are needed for any other reasons.

I have to say the longest ive been scanned for at any of these was about 15 mins at my dating scan so i should be ok as far as exposure goes, but some of these links do scare me i must say

 

[MilosMommy7]

i always said i never wanted one (still dont). i want to be surprised as to what they'll look like and find out when they're born. i wanna save SOMETHING for a surprise since i'll find out the gender. kinda seems more fun that way lol. i loved the pregnancy dreams i had about seeing him in person. needless to say, he didnt look anything like in my dreams hahah.

 

[KandyKinz]

Just wanted to comment that "medical professionals" do not recommend non-medical ultrasounds.

Below are links to the SOGC and ACOG guidelines regarding this issue.
https://www.sogc.org/guidelines/documents/191E-PS-April2007.pdf
https://www.acog.org/from_home/publications/ethics/co297.pdf

Do you ever stop? Stop trying to scaremonger people all the time with copy and paste links from the internet.

Anyway OP, yes i had two 4D scans. One to find out the gender at 16 weeks and another one at 29 weeks - they were amazing, totally recommend them!

If you are in any way unsure or need some reasurrance that you will not be doing your baby any harm, please speak to a health professional. Your MW etc .. My MW and GP were perfectly happy when i asked them . Health professionals are here to help us, not hurt us.

What's with the personal attack? There's absolutely nothing wrong about sharing information, that's how people learn... It's completely up to you what you do with the information, don't be upset with me if what it states does not comply with what you believe in.



And at no point did I say being left handed was a bad thing... I merely stated that the association existed which highlights the fact that brain changes may actually occur.

 

[aob1013]

It's not a personal attack, you constantly scare monger people with links from the internet. As you can see, people seem to agree on this thread.

OP wanted to know who was getting a 4D scan, she and many others didn't ask for this stuff shoved down their throats.

 

[lisaf]

Ok, wow, you guys are jumping all over Kandy... sharing scientific data and recommended medical guidelines is not scaremongering. I for one found her information very helpful.
I have to agree that you just dont' seem to want to hear it. She did nothing wrong by sharing information and is by no means claiming that scans are universally bad.

A pregnancy without being exposed to some risk is impossible, every pregnant woman makes choices about which risks are acceptable to her peace of mind. You don't have to read her information, I just thought it was interesting and her data was from reliable sources, not some conspiracy website. None of it conclusively says the scans are bad. It raises concerns that I was happy to hear about and understand.

Just because you didn't like her information does not make her a scaremonger.
I truly hope she keeps sharing information like this on threads.... as a woman who works in the field she has valuable information to share and great resources.
She has never criticized anyone for the choices they make, merely offered information to those who may not have known what the medical data out there says.

And for those having medical scans...what she said does not apply to you at all... your doctors are aware of the guidelines for use and safe/recommended levels for scans and risks and make their choices based on the benefit to you.

 

[UkCath]

I agree with Lisa, Kandy's links in this thread were to a reputable source, not a quack website, and raised an interesting point.

 

[meow951]

Has anyone noticed how in both the journals first posted it says:

"Although there have been no fetal abnormalities linked to
diagnostic ultrasound, it involves targeted energy exposure
to the fetus, and there remains a theoretical risk for subtle
effects on fetal development."

How many women have extra scans on this forum and how many have ended up with babies that aren't properly formed etc due to ultrasounds?

You have to take all the information and form your own opinion. Professionals aren't always right and it's up to you whether you decide to have an ultrasound!

 

[AP]

It's not a personal attack, you constantly scare monger people with links from the internet. As you can see, people seem to agree on this thread.

OP wanted to know who was getting a 4D scan, she and many others didn't ask for this stuff shoved down their throats.

Sorry but I agree, glad someone said it.

 

[Mummy2Angel.]

Have to agree with aob103 and sb22 if we wanted a thread about any risks to do with scans we would have asked, and if you wanted to share you should have started a new thread, this is getting a bit silly really and some people may be getting upset, your comment about how having a scan with a live baby doesnt mean there is a live baby 5 minutes later....has really upset me after everything some of us ladies have been through !