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Another CSA question

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Instead of hijacking the other thread.. lol

FOB started a job at Barclays in Sept 2008. He said to me that he was training for manager or assistant manager or something. The training would be a year and he would be on £24,000 PA before tax. He said after the years training he went up to £30,000 PA before tax. Now I'm not great at maths but that means his training would have finished in Sept 2009 and it is almost Sept 2010. I am grateful that he gives me some money. I know a lot of women don't even see that. But I do struggle most months and I would rather I was getting the money I need from HIS pocket rather than the taxpayers. About Oct 09 I questioned him about his wages and he told me they didn't go up and they weren't going to and he didn't know where I'd got the idea from. So I asked him how much he did get and he refused to tell me. There's no way he has been training for almost 2 years. He told me the job outlines himself. He wouldn't go through CSA in the first place. He said he would work out how much he should give me on the CSA calculator and then he would pay it direct to me. He also refused to sign a private payment form that the CSA sent me so that if he ever didn't pay me, I had proof that he should be.

I worked out how much he should be giving me if he was on £30,000 a year, after taking away tax, NI payments etc and it is a hell of a lot more than I get now. The only thing is, at the minute, I am at loggerheads with him over contact as he wants to have her overnight every weekend. I have said no. I tried to compromise by saying he could do it gradually rather than just making her up sticks and stay in a strange house every weekend all of a sudden but he refused and wanted it all there and then. I have been through two solicitors and both have said that in the current circumstances including Grace's age, the nature of how/why he left, just everything combined, I am right to refuse it and any court would take my side, or, in the near future, would allow him gradual overnight contact but not just letting him dive right in.

So I'm worried that if I get onto CSA about the money, he will say, if I'm wanting more money then he should have more contact. Which would completely compromise what I'm fighting for at the minute. On the one hand, that money would come in so useful. In comparison to what I have to pay to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table, never mind buying Grace clothes and shoes that she quickly grows out of, he gives me very little. And if he is on £30,000 a year and only giving me this much plus not having to buy anything for Grace, feed her, clothe her etc then I just think it's really unfair. Why should Grace go without because her dad is a dick? But on the other hand, I have been fighting this contact thing for well over a year, it's not in Grace's interest and that's what comes first.

I don't have his new address or work address. I have his name, his mobile number and I know his mum's address. He currently sees her alternate days at the weekend. Sat one week, sun the next etc. I used to let him take her extra days for say, his birthday or something. But I recently made a deal with him that he had to bath her and have her ready for bed every weekend when he brought her home and the minute he started making excuses all those extra days were gone, no questions asked. He did it for about three weeks and has made up excuses why he can't do it since so unbeknown to him, next time he asks for an extra day he can do one.

Anyway, I don't know what to do for the best? I'm meant to be ringing up a mediator this week as he has been to see one and they have asked me to go and speak to them (although I don't have to) because he has to take this step before he can take me to court. So, do I contact CSA now, see what I should be getting and run the risk of compromising the fight I'm in at the minute? Or struggle on what we have now while the legal things are going on and then after, when they tell him he can't have his own way THEN go to CSA?

Sorry that turned out to be pretty long lol
 
if your struggling i would go to csa.
you have every right to deny him overnight access because of the circumstances and like you said the courts would go in your favour and introduce it slowly.
you cant confuse a child like that by throwing them into a situation they're not used to.
if hes backed out of bathing her when shes there then how would he be able to look after her overnight?! what else would he back out of? that looks really bad on him put in front of a court as well.
i would go to the csa hun, honestly. you deserve and need that money.
:hugs:
 
i would go to the csa.

depending on how often he has her overnight (zero at the moment) dictates how much he has to give you. i thinks its over 50 nights a year then he pays less or something like that.

incase he gets nasty and says he wont pay if he doesnt get her on x y and z days blah blah blah i would go to the csa now and get a claim in.

as for the overnight visits - i would probably say go to the mediator. even just to listen and nod then say "hell no" and walk out. it wil look good that you were willing to go and participated in a voluntary process.

good luck!
 
I am going to go to the mediator because no doubt he has been to them spilling a bunch of lies making out how I'm horribke and won't let him see Grace etc so I need to set them straight
 
I am going to go to the mediator because no doubt he has been to them spilling a bunch of lies making out how I'm horribke and won't let him see Grace etc so I need to set them straight

why do gy do this?!? they always get found out in the end and end up look like a total prat!!
 
I am going to go to the mediator because no doubt he has been to them spilling a bunch of lies making out how I'm horribke and won't let him see Grace etc so I need to set them straight

why do gy do this?!? they always get found out in the end and end up look like a total prat!!

The thing is with him, he left ME. So he was the "bad guy" but he didn't want to lose face so made out to everyone I was the terrible one which is why 99% of our mutual friends stopped speaking to me. We used to work at the same place. He went back before I did and nobody would speak to me and just blanked me so I don't know what he said. I ended up leaving because the atmosphere was horrible
 
I am going to go to the mediator because no doubt he has been to them spilling a bunch of lies making out how I'm horribke and won't let him see Grace etc so I need to set them straight

why do gy do this?!? they always get found out in the end and end up look like a total prat!!

The thing is with him, he left ME. So he was the "bad guy" but he didn't want to lose face so made out to everyone I was the terrible one which is why 99% of our mutual friends stopped speaking to me. We used to work at the same place. He went back before I did and nobody would speak to me and just blanked me so I don't know what he said. I ended up leaving because the atmosphere was horrible

thats rubbish!!

my ex spread a load of sh*t about me when i left him and it used to really get to me till i realised that the important people know the truth and if everyone else wants to spend their time talking and discussing my life then its a compliment that my life is so interesting!!

everything comes out in the end!! you just have to bide your time hun!

oh and obv they werent true firends!!
 
bexxxxx go to csa! It should have any effect on the current issues with access, he might say it will, or he wants this and that, but legally it has no bearing. x
 
Is there any way I can double check what he earns? Like get CSA to check up on him without him knowing? So if he for some reason he actually isn't getting as much as I thought, he won't know that I looked?
 
hmmmm... i dont think so, I think the only way would be to get his 'title' at work, and google his job salary.. I dont think CSA would tell you what they find out!
 
Hmmm - I thought if you go via the CSA then they check all the details are correct before proceeding, and that means double checking his salary is what he says it is - otherwise, you'd get loads of non-resident parents saying "Ooh yeah - I'm only on £12,000" so they pay less to the resident parent IYSWIM.

I'd definately go via the CSA too Bexy. He doesn't come across as particularly trustworthy, and it certainly sounds like he's fibbing to you about how much he earns. Grace is entitled to have her father support her financially, and it is his duty to do so.

If you honestly feel it would be detremental to Grace to stay overnight with him, then stick to your guns. If he goes to court, it's a long, drawn out process, and it could well be many months before he is granted overnight stays. As someone mentioned, it's only if she's with him overnight on a regular basis that his maintenance payments would be reduced accordingly.

:hugs:
 
First of all Bexy the issues of contact and maintenance are completely seperate in legal terms ... so no court will judge his access on what he does or doesn't pay, and the CSA couldn't be less interested in whether he sees Grace or not :D

If you are going to mediation then his address should be on the paperwork ;) So, see if you can get that and then take it to the CSA ... they will then approach him, and his employers, to find out what his salary actually is and will work it out from there. Unfortunately he will know that you have done it - but, as I say, that won't have any bearing on his access case :hugs:

Sadly I'm an expert in this one - my ex had supervised access and I've been into family court more times than I care to count, but he still had to pay his full maintenance dues (he has to have them taken direct from his wages as he refuses to pay voluntarily) - and we have just had yet another CSA review that he has unsucessfully disputed.
 
If he does get contact overnight, this will be taken into account with regards to maintenance and will be deducted, especially if he has baby every weekend in the future.

I don't take money from my ex because he has already made it clear that if I take money he will want more rights and so on, and no money is worth the stress that will bring so I manage perfectly fine without his money.

It IS taken into account that he is paying money regarding court access, if he went to court and they found out he is not paying any money it is not looked upon favourable but if he is paying money that will help his case, it does not mean contact will be made on that basis alone but it WILL be taken into consideration.

I do believe that men who wanted the baby should pay keep towards the baby ( whereas I think men who demanded an abortion, the area is grey there because they have no say if we have the babies or not and if they did not want a baby and we went ahead and had one then demanded money from them, I find that a bit unfair if I am honest).

Only you know in your hearts of heart what the answer it. I had everyone telling me to take the money but I knew my ex and how he would be and I knew all around it would be better to not rely on him for money and to get all the stress that would come with it and do it alone and I feel so much happier and better for it because it is me doing everything and as for the ex? he can never ever throw anything in my face or use his money in the power/control struggle he has with me.
 

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