C section on manual turn HELP

[kelly brown]

Hello ladies

I'm Kelly ive not been on here for a while
I have a little boy who is 4 next month through my pregnancy he was head down all along and he was delivered naturally with no problems he was 11 days early.

I am currently 34wks pregnant and my little boy is laying accrossed my belly head under my left rib back down by my groin and legs and bum round my right ribs I have a high placenta and when I went for our 4d scan he was snuggled right in to my placenta
I have such bad spd and my groin I'm in agony with ( never has this with my other pregnancy.
I have a scan booked for 28th of jan to check his position his not moved at present I cannot see him moving round any time soon little monkey
Can any one please please give me Advise on weather to have him manually turned as I've read some bad and unpleasant stories hurting, risks etc.
But I would rather try and avoid a c section as the recovery is so long and I still need to get my son to nursery and won't b able to drive and it's not walking distance and my hubby self employed so he won't be able to take a lot of time off work my mum is a full time carer to my nan so don't really have a lot of family support.

Any advise or tips would be great

Thank you ladies

Kelly xxx

 

[kelly brown]

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[abitnervous]

Hi, I've seen a manual turn performed, it looked uncomfortable but seemed very safe, the doctor could stop at any time if it seemed too painful. I've heard ( and it seems obvious ) that it's more often sucessful on smaller ladies... If it was me I'd definately go for it. Hope it works out for you xx

 

[MrsKChicago]

I'd go for having him manually turned before agreeing to surgery, if my midwife thought I was a good candidate. It may be painful, but so is surgery! The recovery from the turning won't be as bad as the recovery from a c section. The only real risk I've heard of from versions is a small risk of waters breaking, but they generally do them late enough in pregnancy that there isn't much risk to the baby if he comes that day.

It's really a personal decision, though. Some moms prefer the certainty of a c-section to the uncertainty of flipping the baby manually. Hopefully he turns on his own before you have to decide.

 

[RaspberryK]

First things I'd look into are beech tilt and inversions on spinning babies website and acupuncture with moxibustion.
Baby still breech here at 36 weeks, so I've a moxibustion appointment on Tuesday and an ecv booked if baby not head down by 37+3 (to give me as long as possible to get her turned before then)
If the ecv doesn't work then I'll be going for breech vaginal birth/hope baby turns before labour and c section as a very last resort.
Xx

 

[mel28nicole]

People are so anti c-section but its not bad. My baby wasn't breech, but she was facing the ceiling instead of the floor, so the doctor turned her while I was in labor. Honestly, I'd rather go through 100 c-sections than to havea baby turned again. I couldn't imagine doing it for a breech baby.

 

[Cattia]

My friend had a manual turn. She said it was very painful and although it worked baby flipped back again which I think can happen. She ended up with a C Section but she said she was glad she did the turn as at least she knew she'd tried everything she could. I agree with Raspberry that acupuncture with moxibustion would be worth a try. My acupuncturist is a gyne specialist and he says he has a good rate of success with turning babies. He doesn't agree with manual turns though, I guess he thinks it's too invasive.

 

[RaspberryK]

People are so anti c-section but its not bad. My baby wasn't breech, but she was facing the ceiling instead of the floor, so the doctor turned her while I was in labor. Honestly, I'd rather go through 100 c-sections than to havea baby turned again. I couldn't imagine doing it for a breech baby.

Maybe not bad to you but I am scared of an epidural, surgery - I mean really unless it was life or death I would really rather have many things than have my belly sliced open. The recovery for a c - section is such a lot longer than an uncomplicated vaginal delivery, I was out of hospital less than 3 hours after DS was born, walking a mile and driving at 4&5 days post partum. I can't imagine not driving for what 4-6 weeks?

xx

 

[Angelbaby_01]

Coming from a c-section mommy. I have several friends that went normal and c-section and I have ony one friend that recovered well after vaginal. The rest took longer than us that had the c-section. I was up and on the go without pain meds within a week. With todays technique and technology recovery is quicker except for emcs (it tells the story of big rushed into theater). To take blood samples from or set up an iv is worse than a spinal or epidural. They numb the area first and then you don't feel anything. With my iv I had a bruised hand afterwards and a bump in my veign for months where they damaged it. Yes, it is a big surgery, but just like vaginal birth you can recover quickly if you set your mind to it. It can just as well be a bad experience, but I believe it all goes with your mindset you are going into labour or surgery.

Good luck hun. It's a hard decision to make. Either way, there is pain involved getting baby here.

 

[Angelbaby_01]

And to add - I was discharged at day 3 and allowed to drive week 2. again, depends on you how the experience would be.

 

[Feronia]

I agree with the recommendation to try other methods for turning a breech baby -- acupuncture, moxibustion, spinning babies pelvic tilts, chiropractor adjustments (Webster technique), and swimming -- and if nothing works, try the ECV or learn about vaginal breech births. That's what I'd do personally.

To the person who had an OP baby turned in labour, that's not necessary to do just because the baby is OP. The doctor did it to my mom when she was in labour with me (I was OP) and she said it was incredibly painful. But ultimately, it was unnecessary since babies can be born OP just fine. So it's not really fair to compare that to a c-section or ECV (which while painful, is often a good last option when care providers aren't trained in breech birth or when the baby is in another unfavourable position like being transverse or footling).

The c-section recovery time is almost always going to be worse than an uncomplicated vaginal birth. Perhaps if your friend had an episiotomy, forceps, or vacuum delivery it would be pretty bad, but otherwise vaginal births without 3rd degree+ tears (which almost always happen for the above reasons) are a lot easier.
I had a vaginal home birth, didn't tear at all, and was up and recovered right away -- I was a little sore for a day, but nothing major.

 

[mel28nicole]

I agree with setting your mind to it. If I was allowed to, I would have went home the next day but they made me wait 3 days. Sure I needed a little help but I was moving around just fine and I drove. I just wanted to throw my experience out there so that IF the only option was to have a c-section to not be afraid of it. A lot of people try to put it out there how scary a c-section is when they never experienced it.

 

[Angelbaby_01]

How will you determine you won't need that extra help in vaginal delivery? it seems quite common for me when I hear ladies talk about their birthing experiences and you are blessed if you had no tearing or scaring.

 

[SurpriseBub]

It is very much up to you- read some reputable articles, and discuss all of your concerns with your doctor. Then you have to take those answers and decide on what you think is best

My baby was breech at 33 weeks- if she stays that way, I will opt for a c section. i much prefer knowing what will happen, and am uncomfortable with the risks associated with a version, as well as the fact it is only 50-60% successful. That is just the conclusion I came to for me after talking to my dr, doing some reading, and discussing with my DH. If you weigh the options and decide a version is worth it, then go that way!

There really isn't a one size fits all answer. I hope you get good advice and are happy with whichever decision you make

 

[RaspberryK]

You never know what's going to happen but you can increase your chances of an uncomplicated birth and decrease the risks of intervention and the associated longer recovery times with a couple of simple measures such as avoiding the epidural, not laying on your back in labour and not following anyone in pushing but to trust your own body to know when etc.
Having looked into the chance of success and risks for myself and my own pregnancy I will be choosing ECV as it will give me the best chance of natural delivery and the risk is lower than with a c section. Should something happen during the ECV there will be the back up of an emergency c section there and then.
Xx

 

[mummytobe_93]

I wouldn't have my baby manually turned personally but it's up you. I've got many midwives as friends that say its a painful procedure and can be very dangerous. You are only 34 weeks so hopefully your baby will turn soon I know they turn last minute in second and third pregnancies etc z

 

[Feronia]

Overall, the risks associated with ECV seem less compared to the risks of c-section.
The most common symptom with ECV is transient fetal heart rate abnormalities (5.7%). The risk of placental abruption, emergency cesarean section, vaginal bleeding, and perinatal mortality are less than 1 percent combined.

With a first c-section, your risk of hemorrhage and blood transfusion is about 4%, injury to organs of 2%, the risk of a major infection is between 3-6%, and these numbers increase with each subsequent c-section.
There are also new things being learned all the time about baby's health and c-sections, since they have been shown to be correlated with adverse health conditions throughout the child's life. We also know that babies usually have more difficulty breastfeeding, are more likely to have breathing problems, and are more likely to experience some sort of fetal injury.

So given the choice between ECV and c-section, I'd definitely try the ECV first. That being said, c-sections can be life saving; I know I probably sound extremely anti c-section, but I'd take one in an instant if it meant saving my baby's life. My problem comes from their extremely high overuse, but ultimately it's very good that they exist as an option, don't get me wrong!

 

[RaspberryK]

Also in addition to what Feronia says, the outcomes for babies delivered by c section are different depending on the presentation as breech c section babies are still born bottom or feet first.
Xx

 

[Angelbaby_01]

Whatever we say, c-aections will always be seen as bad. Why even mention it then. Makes me not even talk abou my experiences, why bother............

 

[Cattia]

I don't think anyone is suggesting C Sections are bad, or that people always have a bad experience, just that they are statistically more risky than a vaginal birth. It isn't about anyone devaluing anyone else's experiences as they are all different and equally valid. I am sure we are all agreed that the most important thing is a safe delivery for mother and baby and sometimes that can mean a C Section, other times not. Being informed of all the options, both benefits and risks will help everyone to make the choice that is most appropriate for them.