Chinese Accupuncture

[Blythe]

Hi briss....perhaps the dose is just enough to increase sex drive but not inhibit pregnancy...i would certainly raise your concerns though. I have just come back from session 2 with new doc and as im on day 3 of cycle and bleeding he avoided placing any needles in tummy....that did not deter my previous doc from doing it though....hey ho!

I'm waiting on AF to arrive and he didn't put any needles in the tummy this cycle. I wonder why?

Hi mala have you tested yet? Your cycle is longer this month and your temps higher...it looks like a massive improvement to me and possibly something else!

 

[Briss]

mala, I totally agree with Blythe, did your acu doc check your pulse? They can know if you are pregnant by the pulse (long before it will show in your urine) so may be he there were some signs and he did not want to risk it? fingers crossed

I am so surprised how steady my pre O temp is so far. They are usually very erratic and only come down just before O. I think it's probably due to acu and herbs. Am getting really angry with my DH, it's my second HIGH today so I will be ovulating in 3-4 days and we have not even BD once. we still need to get his old sperm out (it's been 3 weeks since we BD last...) and then wait for 1-2 days before we can properly BD and he is just not interested

 

[Blythe]

Yeah nice steady temps there briss.

Its frustrating that dh is not enthusiastic about dtd yet! We only dtd around ovulation time every month so i do wonder how good the sperm are that have been saved up for a while!

 

[MalaMae]

No need to test, AF arrived :/ but it's good- 14 days LP.
I couldn't take the temp whole last week since I was away on a vacation which meant going to bed late, getting early for the beach so the temp would not be correct. But I did relax finally and haven't felt like that for more than 2 years.

 

[MalaMae]

Briss, I'm glad about your temp. First sign that acupuncture and herbs are working!

Forgot to tell you re: last session. As I told you he put needles in my legs and arms, but on the right leg I felt the needle poking more and he was very excited. Also he put one needle on the inside of the foot- between the arch and heel and then I felt like shooting short electric shock through the foot. Apparently that was great.
I can tell you that since the first session, I feel the needles more and more meaning blood is circulating more. Yay!

 

[Blythe]

No need to test, AF arrived :/ but it's good- 14 days LP.
I couldn't take the temp whole last week since I was away on a vacation which meant going to bed late, getting early for the beach so the temp would not be correct. But I did relax finally and haven't felt like that for more than 2 years.

For AF but your cycle now looks really healthy and just right to help you concieve which is great news! Your break sounds good....im struggling to remember what a beach looks like....its a cold wet london at the mo but its christmas so i dont mind so much.

 

[Briss]

Mala, sorry about AF but great that you managed to have a holiday, it's so important to relax and let it all go once in a while. We have not had proper holiday in years... it's so nice you can discuss your progress and reaction to needles with your doc, really encouraging. unfortunately my doc's English does not really let us have any sensible conversation. I usually feel when the needles go in but once they are in I cant feel them apart from the ones in my ovaries and tummy (these hurt quite bad).

Had my 8th session, was very relaxing I almost fell asleep during cupping. got so many needles in my face, supposed to give me a beautiful face I guess my doc means it should help with acne.

Approaching ovulation but still no BD, feel very frustrated and losing hope for this cycle, even if I manage to get my DH to BD his sperm will likely to be of poor quality and count after 3 weeks

 

[MalaMae]

Thanks girls. Actually for the first time I wasn't upset that I got the AF.
Oh, my doctor has broken English as well, not much of talking. He just gives me thumbs up and says "good" with a big smile. Once the neddles are in, I can't feel them as well, I just feel the poking. I can't really discuss the progress, he only said it's better, temps higher and steady and better pulse. He doesn't talk much

 

[Hope3]

Hi hope

Do you have it in pill form or powder? I only ask as i received my herbal powder sachets today and it seems there is only about a teaspoon worth in each bag (2 x day) which i think is quite mean! My last place gave my at least three times that amount although i suspect some of that was filler to make it taste better as it tasted ok (which is rare i think?!?)

Hi Blythe, sorry for my late reply.

I got a 100g container of herbal powder and a tiny little dosing spoon. I'm supposed to take it 3x per day. It turns out that I wasn't taking enough to begin with (I should have taken 2 spoonfuls each dose instead of one). However, when I started taking the recommended dose it really upset my digestion and without getting into too much detail, things just weren't right if you catch my drift, so I stopped taking it. My acupuncturist has persuaded me to go back on it but to reduce the dose.

 

[Blythe]

Hi hope

Do you have it in pill form or powder? I only ask as i received my herbal powder sachets today and it seems there is only about a teaspoon worth in each bag (2 x day) which i think is quite mean! My last place gave my at least three times that amount although i suspect some of that was filler to make it taste better as it tasted ok (which is rare i think?!?)

Hi Blythe, sorry for my late reply.

I got a 100g container of herbal powder and a tiny little dosing spoon. I'm supposed to take it 3x per day. It turns out that I wasn't taking enough to begin with (I should have taken 2 spoonfuls each dose instead of one). However, when I started taking the recommended dose it really upset my digestion and without getting into too much detail, things just weren't right if you catch my drift, so I stopped taking it. My acupuncturist has persuaded me to go back on it but to reduce the dose.

Cheers hope. I catch your drift on that one. Im still convinced my dose is a bit low but will see if it has any effect over the next few weeks. I had a couple of days off the herbs as with the xmas booze and excess food there seemed little point! Trying to be healthy now but still too much cheese and pate in house!

Im sure your body will get used to the herbs...my body reacted to coq10 when i first started taking it but nothing out of ordinary nowadays despite doubling dose.

 

[Hope3]

It's been about 5 weeks now since I first started the acupuncture. He seemed pleased when I told him that my last period wasn't as painful as it normally is, so I guess there is some progress.

I can't wait until my herbs have finished. I can't stand them!

 

[Blythe]

The herbs i have dont taste that bad...i mainly have the sensation of heat when taking them...i think its ginger. Im going for acu later this afternoon and will get more herbs although i think they will be the same. My doc said he would spend the first month getting my temps sorted then focus on improving my chances of conception.

 

[Briss]

Blythe, good luck with BD!

I finally got a proper temp raise this morning but FF put my O on CD10, I think I O much later. anyway am in TWW now so going to start with pineapples again, not because I think they work but because I like them am due for the next acu session tomorrow, not sure if i want to extend my herbs though

 

[Blythe]

Hi briss

Im just reading through randine lewis's book on tcm and i am kidney yang deficient and spleen qi deficient with some blood deficiency and it says to stimulate acu points ki 7 and ren 4 (not the points used by my acu man) I have a book called chopsticks acupuncture and so im going to start stimulating these two points with a chopstick maybe once a day!

I will have pineapple this cycle too. I saw your chart and could be later ovulation. I have had peak days on cbfm and ovulated 3 days after first peak.

 

[Briss]

I love randine lewis's book! I definitely have spleen qi deficiency and also liver qi stagnation. I am still trying to work out what my acu points and herbs mean. some of the herbs in my mix are definitely for spleen qi deficiency, others for heat and kidney deficiency which I do not think I have.

I feel so worried about the needle in my uterus tomorrow. I know that 2-3 DPO is too early for implantation and in any event with low sperm count our chances are really slim and yet I still worry that this needle might be doing something wrong.

Also I thought I was getting rid of my chocolate craving but it was just wishful thinking I simply cant live without chocolate, not for long anyway.

Acu doc keeps asking me if I get wormer which I do but my hands and feet (and nose) are still very cold most of the time. Even now I am soaking my feet in hot water as I type

I got for my hubby tonnes of chinese herbs for sperm count but he is refusing to take them. Cost me a fortune! so ungrateful

 

[Briss]

Hi briss

Im just reading through randine lewis's book on tcm and i am kidney yang deficient and spleen qi deficient with some blood deficiency and it says to stimulate acu points ki 7 and ren 4 (not the points used by my acu man)
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actually it's ren 4 point I am worried about! looking at the picture on page 125 of the book, I get Ren 4, Ren 6, both Zingongs (these Zingongs really hurt!) and electrics usually goes through all four points.

I never get anything on my back, except for cupping and massage

 

[Blythe]

I used to get those zigongs done with my last practioner and they went deep...im sure they pierced my ovaries and they hurt alot! I have not had them done yet with new guy but he did do ren 4 today once he had confirmed i was no longer having my period. He did 17 needles today with 7 in my head which is more than usual. He always does stomach 36 and a spleen one on the inside of the leg. I always get a needle in fleshy bit between thumb and forefinger....i think its on the heart meridian.

I would chat through your concerns about direct stimulation of ovaries and uterus in lutuel phase though......i would be interested to know what feedback you get. I will be in lutuel phase when i go back next sat so will make a mental note of points and let you know. I was encouraged by the fact he was interested to see my charts again as they know i was ripped off before ( or at least felt i was) so i feel he is doing his best. He massaged my lower back at end of treatment (not before i flashed my arse which i was momentarily motified by!....my knickers had disappeared up my bum) as i have been having lower back pains and now it feels great.

 

[Blythe]

This looks interesting although i have not read it properly yet....

https://www.natural-health-for-fertility.com/acupressure-for-fertility.html

 

[Briss]

I do hope zigongs do not pierced my ovaries, cos I have a cyst on my right ovary and the last thing I want is piercing... got myself worried now I did not realise needles can touch internal organs.

I get ren 4 every time regardless of where I am in my cycle so even during period. did your doc say why you cant have ren 4 during your period?

I also always get st 36, sp 10 and lv 3. Last time for the first time I got Epang II on both sides.

 

[Blythe]

Sorry i did not want to worry you...it really felt that my ovaries were being pierced but maybe it was just how it felt rather than it actually happening. I do know the needles went down at least 1 1/2 inches as i looked at it and it was just the top i could see.

We are due to get SA results soon and im hoping they come bAck ok (dh did do it before but they forgot to do the tests on the same day and the sperm died). Dh has been on sups for a few months now so fingers crossed his sperm are in ok condition. I wonder how long it takes for the sups to improve sperm health/mobility.