Chinese Accupuncture

[tarot]

Hi Briss,

Yes,he had three SA tests last year May,June and September. We tried everything to improve it all between 3 mill and million, rubbish motility and 1% morphology.

You don't need to go to Greece to do it.Just send some blood in a sterile pot,apparantly it doesn't need to be fresh to be accurate. Serum were very helpful arranging it by email .

I've never had an std either and been with DH 23 years so it was shock but I do believe in the test going by the SA and also the evidence of infection in my uterus.

I wish we had done the test earlier rather than watching DH so low after repeated bad results....hope this might be helpful to you.

 

[tarot]

Briss......sorry,forgot to add yes, we all think it was purely down to the infection that the sperm was so rubbish. According to Penny at Serum Chlamydia is a very common cause.

 

[Briss]

ladies, I need a little help in deciding what to do. I just got my FSH/AMH results and I cannot find it in me to open the envelope and find out what the results are. I am scared. My options are: it can either be bad and similar to what I had before or it can be very bad and potentially devastating like "end of the road" bad. Do I really need to know? if it's really bad it will affect me I am sure, I will feel really depressed. it can also be particularly bad because it did the test on my first cycle after MMC and I only had 2 follicles and my estrogen was super high so it was not a normal cycle. also, I am doing all I can any way and I am not going to have stimulation so my FSH does not mean that much. but obviously if the results are similar to what they were before I will feel more confident that we have a bit more time to keep on trying. although I am going to keep on trying anyway. do you see any benefit oin knowing my results at this stage?

 

[nobump]

Hi briss,
I think you should open the results. I think you will keep wondering if you don't. If the results are bad you have support here if you need it. If they show little or no difference then you will know what your next move is.

Xxx

 

[Briss]

I just checked it and obviously regret it, it shows post menopausal levels far above anything I've seen. I'll have to repeat it cos I just cannot go on knowing what I've just seen...I'm not even going to post it here threw the paper away depressed

 

[terripeachy]

Repeat it..either in the morning or afternoon (the opposite of what you did this time). Maybe your endocrinologist is onto something.

 

[nobump]

I agree repeat the test.

 

[Blythe]

Oh Briss - i hate those stupid tests. We have been on these boards long enough to know that sometimes they mean nothing particularly with natural IVF cycles. However, i know when sitting down and looking at those figures change over the years can be so upsetting.

big hugs to you and yes please do test again....

 

[nobump]

Hi Briss, how are you doing? have you though about what your next move is?

Blythe how are you doing?

Tarot, I wish there was a magic drug that would improve everything, although your results look good.


AFM, Just had an appointment with new consultant, should be getting booked in for an endometrial resection next week to remove my fybroid, hopefully on Tuesday or Friday next week hopefully this will be the end to the persistent bleeding, tried to get an answer out of him re his thoughts on whether I should try another IVF cycle, but couldn't get a clear response. I keep seeing adoption/fostering adverts, and today I was positive the couple at the next table to me were discussing being successful with fostering or adoption. Not sure if I am having second thoughts about going down this route, need to try and sort things out in my head before discussing this with my DH.

 

[Blythe]

nobump - Hi I am ok...i have just returned from work and have some leave to look forward to so i am happy this evening!

Oh i really do hope that they are able to remove the fybroid and that it means no more heavy bleeds. You have been through enough. Please report back. I think about adoption alot.....

 

[Briss]

tarot, I decided to go for it and sent my blood to Athens I still find it so bizarre to do something like this. collecting it was a nightmare and I managed literally a few drops even though my AF was heavy as usual. it just goes everywhere except to the pot! I hope they can still use it. Also I had to use royal mail cos others are over 70 pounds which makes the whole thing a bit too expensive. I also contacted Serum about possibly doing natural IMSI next week, not sure if they can manage at such notice. They seemed very responsive and easy to communicate. They have actually told me that we should consider just going 40 day antibiotics for DH anyway and I know ladies who went for it and have good results.

terripeachy, is it a BFP I see in your signature? congratulations!! keeping everything crossed all goes well.

nobump, Best of luck with your endometrial resection next week, hope it goes well and finally fixed your bleeding issue.

Blythe, I spoke to other high FSH ladies and basically the general opinion is that at this stage it's pointless to know your FSH/AMH levels. they bring nothing but heartache so I decided not to re-test. Just trying to erase these terrible results from my memory and go on.

afm, I had a bit of good news on my thyroid front. apparently I had no reason to be worried or think that thyroid might be affecting our chances. my thyroid turns out to be fine better than fine perfect my TSH is between 1 and 2. I am so pleased cos after terrible FSH/AMH news I reconciled with the fact that I will have to go on thyroid hormone so was really surprised with my results. I had a lot of tests done including a scan and all were fine. I'm just puzzled why no one ever in all my years looking at my TSH mentioned that it should only be taken in the afternoon!! this is such a crucial detail! I went back and checked my previous tests and apparently the ones over 3 were all morning tests. I did not need to worry about thyroid at all, just needed to do my bloods after 2 pm... I was told to repeat the tests once I am pregnant just in case and anything below 3 is fine.

The doc also requested my mercury levels which is taking a while to do, so curious about that.

I am enjoying the result of my almost 5 month weight loss struggle I have not reached my ideal weight yet but I have lost a lot and am finally feeling and looking slim. I am probably going to stop aggressive dieting and focus on egg quality friendly foods. my endocrinologist mentioned plenty of milk and diary products is a must.

 

[tarot]

Briss.....that's great. You won't regret it! Like you I found the whole concept of it very odd but am convinced that was our problem. Sorry I should have said I sent mine royal mail as well.

The 40 days of Doxy are worth doing .....they also put me on a 25 day course.

I THINK imsi/picsi and icsi are all included in the cost and used if needed.

 

[Briss]

I wonder if we can still carry on with natural IVF while DH is on this 40 day antibiotic regime? I would find it hard if we have to wait, it's basically losing two cycles.

 

[Souted83]

I have tried Chinese acupuncture technique but could not do it perfectly and have tried to learn it online but all in vain. Can you tell me how to learn it?

 

[terripeachy]

Briss-Yeah, I had a strong BFP, but I had a miscarriage, unfortunately. I had a D&C on the 14th of May. I didn't want to delete that part of my signature, so it is a little deceiving, but nosy people don't need to know, and others that keep up with me already know. Hope your next round of tests goes well. I'm keeping everything crossed for you as well.

 

[tarot]

I wonder if we can still carry on with natural IVF while DH is on this 40 day antibiotic regime? I would find it hard if we have to wait, it's basically losing two cycles.

Briss......I can't see it would be a problem. We were not told to not try naturally while doing the antibiotics and if I get a BFP I'm pretty sure you are put back on them for a while. If you email Katie at Serum she will be able to tell you.

I was told however that I had to take the antibiotics at the same time as my DH so as not to reinfect each other or use precautions. Like you I found the whole idea bizzare especially after being married for 24 years and never had an std.

I don't know which test you did but I tested negative for Chlamydia on the 7 in one test but positive on the Locus test which happens quite a lot apparently as that one is more sensitive.

 

[Briss]

terripeachy, how devastating! I am so sorry. Having just gone through that myself I understand the heartache too well. How are you coping? Can I ask (and feel free to ignore me if you think it's none of my business) why did you opt for D&C? I am asking cos I was struggling to make a decision between letting it happen naturally, taking some medication to speed things alone and going for D&C. D&C seemed a good option as it would have allowed us to do karyotyping on the embryo which is so important as I see now. have you had a chance to do karyotyping?

Tarot, I asked for Locus test and for 7 others but still not sure if my sample is suitable. I am reading up on Serum and it seems they like paying your IVF fees is a bit of a nightmare as they prefer cash. we do not usually carry such amounts in cash so I am not clear how we are going to pay.

 

[terripeachy]

It's fine to ask. I went with the d&c because I just wanted it overwith. It's terrible to say, but if I had to walk around with a little being that wasn't alive inside I'd feel pretty bad and I wasn't sure how long it would take to happen naturally so I didn't want to risk any accidents at work or elsewhere. I was also a little scared to see clots and stuff in the toilet. I also read that even after a natural miscarriage all the tissue may not be gone, so if I did the procedure, the docs could make sure everything was out.

Now, I did not get genetic testing. Sometimes I already think I blame my hubs for our problems (low sperm count), so if I did the testing and it came back that the problem was his I would feel even more resentful, so I decided not to do it. In the end, it doesn't really matter. I did have a pathology test done and everything was normal which means the tissue was a 'product of pregnancy' so I was pregnant, for what that's worth.

I'm just so thankful that the 'baby' was only the size of a dot/blueberry (I guess) when it stopped growing instead of being able to see a heartbeat and watching it move, knowing it was a boy/girl etc. because for me, that would be so much worse than a dot. I'm doing ok. Just taking it easy and waiting for my hcg to drop. I was at 200 last Friday so it should be back at zero soon, I'd imagine.

Next time I'm definitely getting genetic testing done prior to having the embryos transferred. I was planning on doing it this time but when we only had three, I decided to be cheap and just put them back in. Before I have another mc, I will definitely pay for testing. If it turns out that all are abnormal, so be it.

 

[Briss]

terripeachy, totally understand why you wanted it over with. I knew it was over for about a week before MC started and I had to forcefully stop myself thinking about a little death going on inside. it was very hard. I was lucky my little embryo waited until I got home otherwise I could have passed it on the plane which would have been a total nightmare. I have also seen parts of it which is for ever embedded in my memory but it's not necessarily a bad thing. just something I cannot forget.

did the pathology test show if the embryo/abortus' chromosomes were normal? The main reason why it's good to do karyotyping on the embryo/ product of conception is to find out if MC was due to a sporadic chromosomal error (which is common) or if chromosomes were normal it may indicate some immune or other issue which you can investigate to increase your chances going forward.

I can relate to not wanting to blame your DH. unfortunately I know our sperm situation is bad and I do blame my DH big time, I also blame myself for not giving him up and moving to donor sperm/single mum route. but I also love him... such a complicated emotional situation. although despite bad sperm I still think it's the egg quality that is more important as egg needs to do a lot for fertilisation/cell division.

I was also thinking about genetic testing of the embryo before ET but you need to have a few embryos for that. it does not quite work for natural IVF.

afm, got response from Serum and they are happy to take me on this cycle but they prefer that I come to Athens on CD 9 which is not possible due to work commitments. I'd need to work out how we do this but first thing first lt's getting my scan/blood test to see if this cycle is a go.

I am very impressed with Penny, she responded quite late today but she answered ALL my questions (I had quite a list!). as I suspected she does not see any immediate immune issues or any blood clotting issue but still she recommended to go with prednisolone and blood thinning medication. I'll think about it the important thing is that i have an option now in case I ovulate on the weekend. My IVF geography is expanding

 

[terripeachy]

Thanks Briss. The woman said the pathology was normal, but no testing and either way, our chances moving forward are quickly decreasing. I just can't control everything so I'm starting to let go a bit. I think it's great you're going to Athens! You should write out a map and check off all the places you go. Then, when you have your baby you can take her to a bunch of new places!

Still rooting you on, as usual.